Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS

[The-Real-Deal82]

I work alone in my office all day. There are a lot of people who aren't actively engaging others during their work. In fact, I'm more likely to collaborate remotely with a worker than face to face, and this seems to give me a better experience with that.

So many people are envisioning narrow use cases for this device, and are completely missing that it's an entirely new general use computing platform.

I work from home once a week and throughout the pandemic I spent 10 months working remotely. If there is one thing I learned, there is no substitute of collaborating face to face. Meetings over Teams with shared screens are commonplace still, but building relationships is more effective in person generally. I couldn’t imagine an environment wearing one of these devices for multiple hours a day. I think it would be time to change career at that point personally lol.

 

[ratspg]

Great tech, applaud Apple for trying to push this forward so early on. But, it’s just increasing isolation. Don’t really think it’s great for human interaction. Wall-E style, sure.

 

[Zest28]

Just be very careful when you two kiss wearing that thing.

Viagra will soon go out of business.

 

[anshuvorty]

Yup. It's literally part of Minority Report. Tom Cruise looking at photos of his dead wife and kids, while on drugs to make it feel more real.

....Or the countless episodes of Black Mirror that reiterated this same theme.....

 

[Surf Monkey]

Please show me where I said the device has a clear front window? The very nature of AR versus VR means field of view is not "completely obscured". Words.

Words you clearly don’t understand. It shows you an image of the real world, not the real world itself. Therefor it is, for all intents and purposes, virtual reality.

 

[anshuvorty]

Great tech, applaud Apple for trying to push this forward so early on. But, it’s just increasing isolation. Don’t really think it’s great for human interaction. Wall-E style, sure.

That Disney collab really helps to inspire Apple designers/engineers...

 

[Brakeman75]

Is this device really even AR?
What i mean is...would you be able to do things like cook while wearing it? Can you build and paint a model? Being able to do these tasks with a document of instructions and videos showing how would be very cool. A true AR experience. But there will be a delay between the outside camera and the projection inside the display. There may also be an issue with depth perception. So will you be able to do fine manipulation with things that are not generated by the headset itself?

So is this really AR?

I think this might easily be the best VR implementation for a consumer on the market..but I question if this is the AR people are wanting....

There are some other questions that will be important....what is the FOV? What is the delay of the cameras? What objects can the cameras recognize.

And i dont think this solves the problem with VR....Having goggles strapped to you for a long period of time is just not something people like. it could be argued that 3d tv was a better experience that regular tv but people couldnt be bothered wearing lightweight 3d glasses to experience it.

I think AR is more interesting that VR but i am not sure this is it.

VR really just seems to be a content consumption method...one that i am not sure people are going to ultimately adopt till the interface gets much smaller.

I hope this product does well...because the follow up products might be what i am looking for...I don't think this one is it.

Brakeman

 

[laurim]

I see Apple haters on other social platforms too. It’s not Twitter exclusive. 🤣🤣

I know. I couldn’t be bothered to type them all and Twitter is the one I use the most.

 

[thecombatwombat]

This bit felt a bit dystopic to me. I wouldn't really want to see a friend at their house and chat to them like this!

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Well duh, you're being human wrong.

With your own headset on, you can chat with their avatar.

 

[Iconoclysm]

It’s adorable that you think that post is factual.

Are you honestly denying that Lisa brought Macs into the world? Or that the Newton was not the inspiration for every PDA that followed it? Which in turn led to PocketPC, the first smartphones from Nokia and Windows Mobile, the complete mess they created with it all making it impossible for an average consumer to pick up and use for anything meaningful like playing music or getting directions? I used to have to freaking drag Microsoft Streets and Trips files into the file system of Windows Mobile just so I could export directions into the maps for that GPS to function. iPhone came along there and just really made all of this stuff look like complicated garbage...and I'm seeing that here again today.

 

[WLSON]

So it's VR not AR as you're looking through a screen. Fail.

 

[Jamo12]

If anybody is worried about battery life, just attach any old battery back to the Apple battery pack… infinite wireless power

 

[Surf Monkey]

There is this amazing tech called lens to mitigate that.

You’re still staring at a screen across your whole field of vision and if you need glasses you need to give Apple your prescription and purchase their expensive Zeiss corrective lenses.

So SO many ways this thing is a fail.

 

[crsh1976]

That's the point. All those who are saying "What's the use case?" are looking for a narrow definition of how to use this device. You can't imagine my use case, because it's a general use computing platform. It's wide open and expansive. This is not about VR gaming. This is not about AR overlay. It's those things and a thousand more.

As I said in a previous comment, I write philosophy. That's my use case, and I can't wait to use this tool for that. To explain, I'm working on 2 different books right now. I sit a chair in my home office with my laptop. I have post-it notes coving my walls. I rearrange them and look at them over the top of my laptop. Now I can do that virtually, while sitting on a park bench in whatever setting will help inspire me to write that day.

That's not some simple "use case." That's a wholly adaptable environment specific to me.

I think that's a pretty clear use case - sorry for being so hung up on the expression, to me it describes usage just like you wrote it.

Use case isn't a dirty word, it's to describe how a device/service/anything could fit in someone's workflow/patterns.

 

[bbeagle]

Quite a niche demographic then. I’m 40 with a good job and I decent amount of disposable income but then this comes down to what people are interested in.

Apple is aiming this at tech people. People who love this technology. People who want to relax or work using this technology, not just game. The other headsets are mostly for gaming.

 

[kirk.vino]

The weirdest part of the presentation to me was when it showed that guy sitting on a couch looking at a 3D photograph of his wife and child. It looked like the beginning of an action movie reminiscing about his dead wife and child who were murdered by the mob or something. Probably should have put him on a plane or a train.

A new episode of Black Mirror right there haha

 

[Surf Monkey]

So it's VR not AR as you're looking through a screen. Fail.

It’s sad that you think that looking at a picture of a thing is the same as looking at a thing with your own actual eyes.

 

[mattopotamus]

This bit felt a bit dystopic to me. I wouldn't really want to see a friend at their house and chat to them like this!

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It almost didn't feel real the demos they were showing. When I first saw the person walking around their office, I was confused, "oh they want people to wear this during day to day life". It was shocking to be honest.

 

[sunapple]

A much much smaller audience than those who buy Pro devices, I’ve never worked out what the Pro means to be honest, but that’s another story. It’s vastly more expensive that an iPhone or iPad and these are obtained over multiple year contracts at a third of this price. The tech market is certainly at a low point with interest at an all time low, probably why Apple gave this device such a low key launch maybe?

Pro means something when there is a cheaper alternative available also, so currently Pro means nothing I suppose.

I actually never get products on a contract or credit or a loan. Comparing actual pricing, if an iPad Pro or iPhone Pro can cost $2000 with high storage (I remember when this used to be 800) and factoring in that Vision Pro is going to launch in limited capacity, it's not that strange IMO. It has twelve cameras and whatnot, can't really compare it properly anyway.

 

[spinedoc77]

I remember all the adolescent giggling at the name "iPad". As if note pad,legal pad,launch pad and many more didn't exist. Then it was "It's just a big phone" LOL. I think this will do pretty well,but I don't think anyone expects iPhone level sales. For those that have a use or desire for it it smokes the competition.

As an old time Windows tablet user I recognized how powerful the iPad would be when first announced, it just trounced all over Windows tablets. 20+ years later I MUCH prefer a Windows tablet, but iPads still lead sales for tablets so Apple was definitely onto something. Sure Vision Pro will morph into something more useful, but even the iPad was only $499 in 2010 which is around $700 today, which I gladly paid for to be free of Windows mess back then. $3500 for something that only refines, yet doesn't offer much of anything over today's $299 Quest 2 doesn't seem like a great deal.

 

[fathergll]

No, that's not to the original comment.

Pay attention and stop trying to win the internet. No one is trolling you, no one cares about you that much.

Pro tip: Learn how to post without editing in an entire paragraph to then go out of your way to clarify that I might have missed the new info and life will be much more efficient for you.

You're welcome.

 

[Greg.]

The weirdest part of the presentation to me was when it showed that guy sitting on a couch looking at a 3D photograph of his wife and child. It looked like the beginning of an action movie reminiscing about his dead wife and child who were murdered by the mob or something. Probably should have put him on a plane or a train.

Divorced dad memories app 🤣

 

[yaxomoxay]

Whatever do you mean? If Bob has a headset too, you could do exactly that. Except that Bob can be in another room and not even get up from his chair.

God forbid Bob, who statistically speaking is likely obese or morbidly obese, walks from his office to yours.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Not sure which of these you’re equating to 8% of humanity, but 10 million in assets is nowhere NEAR 8% of humanity, probably not even .08% of humanity… in the USA, about .05% (half of 1% have 10M+ in assets) of people, or a bit over 1% of HOUSEHOLDS have 10m+… I would bet other than some outliers like Switzerland, Lichtenstein, MAYBE Singapore, they might be higher in % terms than the USA.. still, for the majority of average households this a large amount of money that they really are not going to spend on.

More reason to my observation. Look at living spaces where the device was shown. Very few have such a fancy display for a living room ... The all thing suggested wealth and more wealth. Kind of reminds me of the gold Apple Watch, but instead of gold is tech supposedly worth as much as gold ... which of course is a fallacy. Next year will be worth less than half the price and in 5 years ... well sell it for 200 euros or so.

The way I see it its a tech display toy to entertain multi millionaires and show their friends a glimpse of what's coming in the next 10 years or so.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Are you honestly denying that Lisa brought Macs into the world? Or that the Newton was not the inspiration for every PDA that followed it? Which in turn led to PocketPC, the first smartphones from Nokia and Windows Mobile, the complete mess they created with it all making it impossible for an average consumer to pick up and use for anything meaningful like playing music or getting directions? I used to have to freaking drag Microsoft Streets and Trips files into the file system of Windows Mobile just so I could export directions into the maps for that GPS to function. iPhone came along there and just really made all of this stuff look like complicated garbage...and I'm seeing that here again today.

LOL

Hindsight is funny.