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There is a moment in the Vision Pro ad where a man takes a photo of his children using the headset. He never experienced that moment in real life. He watched it on the screens strapped to his face.

AR needs to augment reality. Not record it on cameras and play it back to you. We're a long way from true AR.

Oh and rendering fake digital eyes on the outside of the headset is one of the most bizarre creepy things I've ever seen.
This seems like more of a philosophical discussion to me. People have recorded their kid's moments through camcorders and phones for decades now. Usually when recording you watch through the viewfinder instead of looking directly at the subject (especially for a camcorder...) at least using this method you're seeing the event in 3D as it happens.
 
So this is the first iteration. 2007 original iPhone was amazing but there were many things it missed the mark with, like no 3rd party apps until jailbreak and then eventually App Store. Phone reception was pants, and Edge was best mobile data speed when not attached to Wi-FI so it was not a perfect device but it was a revelation. It and its competitive copies killed whole product categories and eventually reinvented the software industry. This device category is going to eventually do the same to other devices. Who needs a screen when any surface becomes an iPad or a keyboard (air manipulation looks good for demo but I’ll bet real surface like a dumb board with tactile areas such as grooves and dimples for control surfaces becomes a thing) 60” TV, who needs one when I can have a screen of any size. So as this matures and its recording for that new journal app your entire day, you can reflect on any moment, and Apple doesn’t allow any of that data off device so you trust it. You’ve been introduced to that new person and to help you remember her name she has a virtual tag you can read to jog your memory that fades when you’ve learned it and the device knows because it tracked your eyes when you said her name and it bows you where not looking at the tag. who need to go to the cinema when the you can have the experience anywhere. Light and fireworks show with the gig, same guys are producing the effect but in an AR world. The possibility is endless, this is the start. In 4-5 years this will look well old, it will be clunky and slow and primitive but it is way way ahead of the competition in respect of AR, and AR is the deal not VR. What’s happening to META stock today I wonder - remember Nokia, blackberry, zune, Walkman, compact cameras, CDs, DVDs….
 
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I missed a lot of the Vision Pro presentation when they were going over Developers and specialized apps.

Did P***hub display their app?...uhhhh....asking for a friend.
I know you are probably joking, but just piggy backing off this to ask the general question as its come up SO many times: Why do people find this to be a good experience? I guess since I don't live alone and this would obstruct my vision someone can sneak in and see me. But it just adds unnecessary weight to your head, doesn't seem comfortable with this kind of content.
 
Sounds like everybody is focusing on the price and just thinking it's going to be the same experience as the Quest or something similar. I seriously doubt it's "apples to apples" though. It's almost impossible for Apple to really show what the experience will be like in that presentation. They even mentioned several times "It's impossible to show in 2D."

I don't think we'll really know how big this thing will be until the average person can go try it out. If it's as great as Apple is saying it is, then it might be something we've never truly experienced before. Word will spread quickly about how amazing it is and that's when our consumerism addicted society will take over and a ton of people who told themselves they'd never spend $3500 on it will find a way to buy it.

Kind of like when you go test drive a new car that you have no intention of buying but the next thing you know, you're in the finance office, signing papers, and getting pitched on paint protection and LoJack.
 
Interesting... How do you kiss in these?..
You and I partner up and get into business to develop VR mouths made of silicone, tongue included at an additional price. We sell them as sets of 2, one to give you your lover. Then the FrenchKiss app (TM) will take care of their functionality and coordination.

Of course we can expand the business later on with other… tools.
 
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Next year: Vision Pro Air Max Ultra 😎

Honestly, some cool features but also really dystopian to me. 😖
They probably would have to call it Vision Air Pro Max Ultra or else maybe get in trouble with Nike, although with ..Pro Max.., we start to run into trouble with the legacy for of calling it Ipad, or Max Pad or Maxipad… etc. ;-)
 
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I agree in the broad definition these are AR. My question is, will you be able to manipulate fine details while looking through these...Could you cook? Could you paint a plastic model? Could you do these tasks while seeing a video of instructions floating in the air??? I am not so sure....There will be some delay...I think this means they are AR...but there can be something better....maybe...
They did address the "delay" with the R1 chip they discussed. There is a 12 ms delay, which I don't know how noticeable that would be...but the hololens is about 50 ms on average so that's quite an improvement.
 
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Oh yah, what’s the over under on the Zeiss lenses being another $399.

Hopefully a bunch of other people will offer them like zennioptical and vr optician
 
You and I partner up and get into business to develop VR mouths made of silicone, tongue included at an additional price. We sell them as sets of 2, one to give you your lover. Then the FrenchKiss app (TM) will take care of their functionality and coordination.

Of course we can expand the business later on with other… tools.
Loving it, loving it! You almost lost me at "You and I partner up", but then I got what you were saying!.
 
Screen as in a display. The litmus test is if you can see through the device with your own vision. That's not the case with this so it's not AR but VR.
No, that is not the litmus test. Pokemon Go is considered AR - and it is viewed inside of a smartphone. Explain that one?
 
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Interesting... How do you kiss in these?..
For advocates of VR goggles, this seems to be the most appropriate answer…
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Yep, complete with sweat dripping down your face and eyes from having a headset on, and having anxiety whether the $800 AppleCare will cover sand and saltwater getting into the headset. Beach use? Sign me up!
Apple has improved everything that sucked on VR gogles, it has air cooling etc. Cool tech but too expensive for avarage consmer.
 
They did address the "delay" with the R1 chip they discussed. There is a 12 ms delay, which I don't know how noticeable that would be...but the hololens is about 50 ms on average so that's quite an improvement.
Those are some fantastic specs...The product is pretty amazing...But my questions will remain questions till some can use them. What will and wont be possible while wearing them.
 
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There's tons of possibilities with this. People have just no imagination. I'll throw out a random one. Public speaking is the #1 ranked fear still to date of people. You can create an app that virtualizes yourself in a room situation with people to practice as a way to practice this. They've have versions of this already where you can record yourself but it's no where near where it can be. (I know some people think I'm joking about these use cases but I'm not)
App would still not be fully beneficial. Subconsciously you would still know you are alone. Even if you aren't practicing vs the real thing is still a hurdle. It's like practicing dancing. But when you dance at prom or wedding you are still nervous if you are historically bad at dancing.
 
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