Apple Reveals 'Vision Pro' Headset and visionOS

[johto]

This makes previous VR sets, look like junky toys. The integration of everything in this is truly impressive. The price makes sense considering it capabilities and the long list of sensors and chips coming together here. Can’t wait to be able to demo it in-person.

Sure, like apple does, improves and really integrates stuff good, but still, too expensive imho

 

[Surf Monkey]

I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills because that's exactly what I wrote. You're looking through a display (VR) not with your own eyes (AR) so this will fail.

We agree. Is that a problem??

 

[spinedoc77]

I definitely think it's one of those things which will one day seem as normal as recording your kid blowing out the candles and playing it back on your phone. Honestly, since you'd be watching it in 3D as the recording happens instead of through a 2D panel it might be a bit more natural. I just had an odd visceral "this feels wrong" reaction to that part.

No, you're right, I'm just old and set in my ways. But the reality is that this is what will become of today's pictures and videos, full VR immersion. Eventually it will just be your brain playing back the actual memory via Musk's Neurolink, then at least you will get all the sensations and emotions.

 

[steveballmer]

It does. Everything you see inside it comes to you through a screen. Two screens that encompass your entire field of vision. Looking at your living room through a camera is not the same as looking at your living room.

Looking at your living room through a camera is not the same as looking at your living room, you are correct. When you look at your living through a camera, can you still see it?

 

[Gator5000e]

For one person. The hypothetical AV set up can be used by many people at once.

I'm actually quite impressed by this even though I'm most definitely not in the market for something like this until, probably a decade or so from now, it can be housed in what looks like regular glasses. I'm not sure how this is going achieve any significant sales numbers in it's current iteration as I just don't think the public at large will accept interacting with people wearing it as a thing they want to do. As for the examples of wearing this while experiencing formative moments in your child's life, what on earth were they thinking!?

I don't disagree. For a multi-person audience it's obviously not viable. But for a one person audience in an apartment or condo, it might be a fantastic option (for someone who could afford it). I am definitely curious to see how this compares in quality to my OLED and surround sound system.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Because that’s what they demoed in the announcement.

I see that now, and I've read that it may be a zeiss kit, not a single prescription, and that you dial in your prescription by swapping lenses.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Looking at your living room through a camera is not the same as looking at your living room, you are correct. When you look at your living through a camera, can you still see it?

It's almost as if, you are looking at your living room through some sort of augmentation that lets you see the living room despite your eyes being hidden. Like, an Augmented Reality of some sort!?

 

[Surf Monkey]

No. It replaces your direct vision with camera-based vision of the environment. You can still walk around without running into things. How good/bad that is remains for us to experience when product is available.

Right. Just as I said. A camera based view that comes to you via a screen that encompasses your entire field of vision.

This is a problem for the product. A major one.

 

[yaxomoxay]

Apple got your money when you bought their device. It's not them who are trying to find ways to keep your eyes on it.

Not wholly true. Apple gets money from App Store, in-app purchases, and ad revenue from those apps. They have as much interest as any of those apps in making sure you spend time attached to the device.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I see that now, and I've read that it may be a zeiss kit, not a single prescription, and that you dial in your prescription by swapping lenses.

Interesting. That would be marginally better but it wouldn’t address astigmatism.

 

[cdsapplefan]

Alright Cook, this is your baby. Steve Jobs is looking 👀 down on you, don’t disappoint him. I’m liking what I am seeing, but the price tag 🏷️ is a bit much for me. Will wait till about 8 generations to possibly get it. By then we should know, cheers 🥂

 

[Iconoclysm]

Right. Just as I said. A camera based view that comes to you via a screen that encompasses your entire field of vision.

This is a problem for the product. A major one.

Vs. what other augmented reality product out there? Apple addressed the problem through use of other technologies...it will do for now, and I fully expect a Google Glass style product in the future as well. This being the "Pro", that being "Apple Vision".

 

[Allen_Wentz]

It does. Everything you see inside it comes to you through a screen. Two screens that encompass your entire field of vision. Looking at your living room through a camera is not the same as looking at your living room.

No. Like steveballmer said, "...the conversation is about whether the device "completely obscures the user's field of vision". Which it does not."

Yes, through a camera is not the same as looking at your living room. But it is is not obscured.

 

[johto]

Can’t wait for iJustine and other infloooenzers flood YouTube with their over exaggerated excitement

Yeah, so fake

 

[NT1440]

Can you connect it to a PC and play VR games with it? If not, it really sucks.

The average consumer buys these kinds of headsets for immersive 3D games and online social experiences - not watching them on a fake AR television in front of you, but actually being in these worlds. VisionPro though is essentially an iPad strapped to your face for general computing, focused on passthrough/AR. Nothing they showed made me think, "Oh this is definitely better than just using my iPhone, PC, or TV". The Quest 2 is significantly cheaper and handles both scenarios to some extent.

And then there's just the overall contradictive nature of the whole presentation that really rubs me the wrong way. I'm supposed to believe this is a headset designed for a real family-oriented person with a deep photo library of family memories, but they're going to sit in a room with this strapped to their head and watch entire movies alone?

I don't think VR/AR is the end of society, but with something like the Quest 2 at least, you can jump in and play mini golf, bowling, whatever with friends who have the headset. I didn't see any use cases like that here, even in the unlikely scenario that you know multiple people who own this thing. I certainly think this tech will make more sense when they can shrink it down into a normal pair of glasses that you can wear anywhere (probably at least 5-10 yrs away, like you said).

So in short, a gamer has missed the point of this new platform (and more importantly where it’s going to be) because the world outside of gaming exists. What else is new?

I’m not getting one of these, but it’s pretty clear to see the major focus of this new platform is to bring the world into the next form of computing, ambient/spacial computing.

It does game, but that’s not the real vision for what this will be.

 

[WLSON]

We agree. Is that a problem??

It's not a problem but you replied to my comment by saying "It's sad that you think", that doesn't sound like agreeing.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Interesting. That would be marginally better but it wouldn’t address astigmatism.

I have an astigmatism and I still have no idea what they are...so I'll defer to you on this one lol.

 

[rovex]

2 hour battery packs. You’re going to need to 3 or 4 on a flight XD

And it’s proprietary ?

 

[johto]

I feel like society is slowly turning into the movie Elysium minus the space station (I imagine they are already working on that).

What about the move "Surrogates (2009)" If you haven't watch it, do it

 

[Choco Taco]

But they said it can replace a state of the art TV, Surround sound system, computer etc. So you don't have to buy any of those other things.

The only requirement is you have to be a lonely individual.

Unfortunately, I have friends and family that like to sit together and do these things.

 

[spinedoc77]

I want Vision Pro to succeed. Because I want the future version that’s smaller, lighter, cheaper.

So many people on here acting like it will never improve or get cheaper. Just go look at every 1st gen Apple product and compare it to now. I remember thinking there was no way the original iPod could get any smaller…

I think 99% who criticize this, myself included, are talking about today's product at $3500. Personally I have zero doubts about VR/AR becoming huge, but we are at least 5-10 years from that mostly because of these bulky, socially isolating headset designs. Apple hasn't accomplished anything here more than what the Quest 2 has, although in a much nicer package. Of course this will improve and get cheaper and more useful, but I'll withhold my opinion until that day. I'm already vested in that I regularly invest in Apple stock.

 

[MVMNT]

I have to say, when they mentioned that there are 3D cameras that capture real time immersive video files to the device (or relay to a phone or laptop) I could think of ONE industry that is going to be absolutely BONKERS for this device.

You know THAT industry is actually one of the most media innovation-led in the world too? No joke.

 

[WLSON]

No, that is not the litmus test. Pokemon Go is considered AR - and it is viewed inside of a smartphone. Explain that one?

Just because the marketing department says it's AR it doesn't mean that it is so.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Not wholly true. Apple gets money from App Store, in-app purchases, and ad revenue from those apps. They have as much interest as any of those apps in making sure you spend time attached to the device.

Definitely not nearly as much as "any" of those apps. And again, they want you to buy things, the time you spend in most Apple apps is not beneficial to them except when they are getting ad revenue, which is not the model for Apple's apps...nor are they the type of company that wants to cash in on a customer's confidence quickly and lose them long term.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Just because the marketing department says it's AR it doesn't mean that it is so.

No, it doesn't, but when the entire industry says it is...it just makes you wrong.