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I've been waiting and waiting to buy a new MacBook Pro and I'll keep waiting until until it actually has enough ports for your typical MacBook Pro user and a keyboard that has more than 2 angstroms of travel and doesn't make a loud clacking sound every time you depress a key (so I don't really annoy people beside me in the library while I use it). If Apple made a better machine they'd sell more units.

I have one of the 15" MBPros with TouchBar and typing on it is fantastic.
 
Yep, good luck with multitasking, a good file management system and running professional programs.

Good luck with what? What I am describing doesn't exist yet. Apple has some smart people though, I am sure they could create an iOS variant designed for the desktop with a file system and better multitasking. An iPad can run professional programs already, developers just need to be motivated to do so.
 
If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.

A laptop like that from Apple would probably start at $2,500

In other words... it wouldn't sell very much.

In other other words... it wouldn't make Apple double their overall sales to knock Dell out of 3rd place. :p
 
Sort the Mac Mini and Mac Pro out and it could be much higher.

Lack of Mac mini update is the reason I’m still on a 2007 Mac mini. Yup! Thing is darn slow, but it does enough to keep our store running, serving as a browser terminal for our inventory system.

And we stream Apple Music radio stations over AirPlay from it as the background music in the store.

And I’m using a 2013 MacBook Air as my daily productivity machine.

Both work great! Even with the mini being 11 years old! Other than a RAM upgrade, it’s never needed service.
 
And how many of the 58 million that HP sells are 200 USD Chromebooks?

I guess Apple could hand out one to every buyer of an iPhone and be number one in that statistic, too.

HP struggles to make a profit and hemorrhages employees every single quarter since.... I can't remember when it started. Probably when the founders went off-board.

Apple is one of the reasons (if not the only reason) why manufacturing PCs is a loss-leader for everybody else.
 
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Well, given there are 6 billion people on this planet, and 1% of the population owns >90% of the wealth on this planet and 1% of 6 billion is 60 million...... :D
Bernie? Is that you?
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Yeah, it would be interesting to see how many of those HP/Lenovo/Dell units would qualify as "pro" hardware according to the standards many people try to use with Apple when they claim the "pros" are being left behind vs. PC.
Yes. It’s like trying to compare Lexus sales to Camrys
 
********. The Current Mac Pro Trashcans are barely faster than the top of line Mac Book Pro for encoding video; mainly because Apple refuses to put *real* GPU power in there.
you might be right with the MacBookPros that have come out AFTER the current MacPro but there’s a reason I’ve brought my MacPro all the way to Europe to edit rather than try to just use my 2011 MacBookPros. I create motiongraphics that are HUGE. Sometimes 8000+ pixel wide, 20 minutes long huge. And only my MacPro lets me work on them.
 
Good luck with what? What I am describing doesn't exist yet. Apple has some smart people though, I am sure they could create an iOS variant designed for the desktop with a file system and better multitasking. An iPad can run professional programs already, developers just need to be motivated to do so.

You are changing the rules during the game.

I reacted on your quote:

Create a a point and click front end for iOS optimized for that environment and they could get me back to macs.

I only see you wanting a point and click interface for IOS. Again: good luck with that on a MacBook Pro or the like.
 
Why server grade? The article actually tells about PC. Have you seen the heading?

Actually, a lot of pros use server grade hardware for PC for things like highly multi-threaded software, virtualization, video encoding, etc. that require a lot of cores and ECC DRAM. Both Mac Pro 8-core 64GB and even new iMac Pro 18-core 128GB are still toys compared to server grade Supermicro PC that does 64-core and 2TB ECC DRAM. Plus, unlike Macs that are Intel-only, Supermicro also have AMD options that are immune from the performance degrading Meltdown.
 
You are changing the rules during the game.

I reacted on your quote:



I only see you wanting a point and click interface for IOS. Again: good luck with that on a MacBook Pro or the like.

Yes, a desktop OS built from iOS. The same way we have a tablet OS built from iOS, a tv OS built from iOS, and a watch OS built from iOS. So I’m still not sure why luck is needed and what your point is. I’d imagine Apple is already hard at work at something like this and it’s likely the only thing to bring me back to a point and click environment. That’s all I’m saying.
 
Yes, a desktop OS built from iOS. The same way we have a tablet OS built from iOS, a tv OS built from iOS, and a watch OS built from iOS. So I’m still not sure why luck is needed and what your point is. I’d imagine Apple is already hard at work at something like this and it’s likely the only thing to bring me back to a point and click environment. That’s all I’m saying.

Yep a desktop built from iOS must be able to do proper multi threading, have a proper file system and have the possibility to run professional apps. Good luck with that! Oh wait! There is something like that: MacOS. It is easier to change the GUI of MacOS. iOS was never meant for professional devices, that would require a new design from the ground up. Just sticking a point & click GUI on iOS will not do.
 
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Yep a desktop built from iOS must be able to do proper Multi threading, have a proper file system and have the possibility to run professional apps. Oh wait! There is something like that: MacOS. Wouldn't it be easier to change the GUI of MacOS a bit?

Correct, and I can multitask, manage files, and run professional apps on my iPad as is. I mean, you’re right. They likely won’t head down that path as people’s heads would explode, but I would welcome a reinvention of the desktop paradigm. For me, macOS is stale and past it’s prime.
 
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Correct, and I can multitask, manage files, and run professional apps on my iPad as is. I mean, you’re right. They likely won’t head down that path as people’s heads would explode, but I would welcome a reinvention of the desktop paradigm. For me, macOS is stale and past it’s prime.

Your iPad doesn't have terminal and can't manage more than 1 window on the same screen. What good will that do for the medium to heavy desktop users?
 
Correct, and I can multitask, manage files, and run professional apps on my iPad as is. I mean, you’re right. They likely won’t head down that path as people’s heads would explode, but I would welcome a reinvention of the desktop paradigm. For me, macOS is stale and past it’s prime.

Nope you can't. Multitasking in a 'proper' OS is much more involved than on iOS. The file system on iOS is a toy and the apps available for iOS can hardly be described as professional, they are very limited versions of the professional versions at best. Maybe it is OK for your needs, but every person who wants to buy an iMac pro, a MacBook pro or a Mac pro will not accept this. You are simply not the target group.

I fear that no professional user will agree with you about putting a modified iOS on a professional machine.
 
Your iPad doesn't have terminal and can't manage more than 1 window on the same screen. What good will that do for the medium to heavy desktop users?

I don’t need terminal and yes I can. It works very well for me when it comes to work and personal use. I am only speaking for myself here. Obviously macs will be here for the long term, but I would think it could make sense to create a desktop like counterpart to iOS for those that prefer it.
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Nope you can't. Multitasking in a 'proper' OS is much more involved than on iOS. The file system on iOS is a toy and the apps available for iOS can hardly be described as professional, they are very limited versions of the professional versions at best. Maybe it is OK for your needs, but every person who wants to buy an iMac pro, a MacBook pro or a Mac pro will not accept this. You are simply not the target group.

I fear that no professional user will agree with you about putting a modified iOS on a professional machine.

Of course I can. I manage a team of 60 people using just my iPad Pro and it works very well. I am in split screen all day, no issues at all. The file system could definitely improve and I would like a proper download manager, but I have adapated my workflow to where it works. And yes, of course. I am only speaking for myself. This is MY opinion on a public forum, not anyone else’s. Although I’m sure some can agree. iOS is Apple’s biggest money maker - I’m absolutely the target market. Whether or not it happens, who knows.

Take iOS for the iPad in its current form and put it on a laptop with trackpad support and I’d be even more productive. It could work well for a lot of people, even professionals. Just maybe not you.
 
********. The Current Mac Pro Trashcans are barely faster than the top of line Mac Book Pro for encoding video; mainly because Apple refuses to put *real* GPU power in there.

Nooo...because MacBook pros have QuickSync hardware encoder on its consumer CPU's. The Mac Pro line uses Xeon which does not have it. I still get realtime encoding on my 2015 Mac Pro.
 
I don’t need terminal and yes I can. It works very well for me when it comes to work and personal use. I am only speaking for myself here. Obviously macs will be here for the long term, but I would think it could make sense to create a desktop like counterpart to iOS for those that prefer it.
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Of course I can. I manage a team of 60 people using just my iPad Pro and it works very well. I am in split screen all day, no issues at all. The file system could definitely improve and I would like a proper download manager, but I have adapated my workflow to where it works. And yes, of course. I am only speaking for myself. This is MY opinion on a public forum, not anyone else’s. Although I’m sure some can agree. iOS is Apple’s biggest money maker - I’m absolutely the target market. Whether or not it happens, who knows.

Take iOS for the iPad in its current form and put it on a laptop with trackpad support and I’d be even more productive. It could work well for a lot of people, even professionals. Just maybe not you.

Well OK. Glad you like it.
A lot of developers, graphical designers, engineers, web designers, photographers, 3d artists etc. will disagree with you. But hé if it works for you, have fun with it ;)
 
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