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I don’t need terminal and yes I can. It works very well for me when it comes to work and personal use. I am only speaking for myself here. Obviously macs will be here for the long term, but I would think it could make sense to create a desktop like counterpart to iOS for those that prefer it.

I don't think it makes sense to create a 3rd OS that very few will use. I think your desktop counterpart would be fulfilled by the iPad Pro, which you can attach a keyboard or use the stylus like a trackpad
 
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Well OK. Glad you like it.
A lot of developers, graphical designers, engineers, web designers, photographers, 3d artists etc. will disagree with you. But hé if it works for you, have fun with it ;)

For now, sure. Thankfully there are a lot more computer users out there than what you mentioned.
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I don't think it makes sense to create a 3rd OS that very few will use. I think your desktop counterpart would be fulfilled by the iPad Pro, which you can attach a keyboard or use the stylus like a trackpad

That’s fine too, but I would imagine Apple would like to transition to using their own chips, having better security, and controlling the revenues on all apps installed on their machines.
 
Fix the software bugs and update the hardware without making your customers pay more for it (in more ways than one), and the sales will continue to climb.

I am officially out of the upgrade cycle this year which is one less thing to think about.
 
Nope you can't. Multitasking in a 'proper' OS is much more involved than on iOS. The file system on iOS is a toy and the apps available for iOS can hardly be described as professional, they are very limited versions of the professional versions at best. Maybe it is OK for your needs, but every person who wants to buy an iMac pro, a MacBook pro or a Mac pro will not accept this. You are simply not the target group.

I fear that no professional user will agree with you about putting a modified iOS on a professional machine.

Well OK. Glad you like it.
A lot of developers, graphical designers, engineers, web designers, photographers, 3d artists etc. will disagree with you. But hé if it works for you, have fun with it ;)
And yet here I am, a "professional user" agreeing with @DNichter.
I am, by turns, a graphic designer, web designer, photographer, 3D artist as well as an NSF researcher, professor, etc etc etc and I am at my most productive on my iPad Pro. I am looking forward to MacOS morphing into a hybrid of iOS.
 
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shipped vs sold.

Yes, the gap between Mac's shipped to those sold should be much lower than for Hp or Lenovo as the latter two have much wider distributor networks to warehouse unsold product in. As Dell mostly sells direct (like Apple), I expect they have a narrower gap (like Apple).
 
Please...enough whining about dongles and docking stations, it's been over a year.

I bought a MacBook Pro 15" 2016 and I only have one "dongle", a Transcend card reader, which is hooked up via an Amazon Basics USB-C to USB Micro B cable, of which I ordered two (the other is for a USB hard drive), along with a USB-C to USB 2.0 Male B for my audio interface and a USB-C to Display Port cable for my Dell P2415Q display. Total cost for 4 cables and a card reader - $60.76. I use the card reader for my iMac as well, which saves me time and frustration trying to put an SD card into the slot behind the computer.

In other words, I easily converted over to USB Type-C cables for my peripherals, have one tiny "dongle" on my desk and my transition has been without incident. The angst and teeth gnashing over "donglegate" is so overblown, you would think we lived in a soap opera. All of this venom over replacing a few cables is ridiculous.

Just an FYI for all those saying they will buy a MacBook Pro once all their beloved ports are restored...it's never going to happen. Apple does not move backwards in these types of things. Cough up the cash for some new cables and move on with your lives.
Not whining just stating FACTS. An older Retina MacBook Pro is inherently more versatile than what is offered now.
Many modern Mac users are completely missing the point which is the vast majority of peripherals are USB 3.0 and are likely to be for some time yet. Basically it means if you want one of the modern Macs you need to purchase a docking station to be able to use your remaining Hardware which is quite frankly WRONG.
 
Nice, but look at the disparity. 7.6% marketshare vs. +20% for both HP and Lenovo and of course Dell at 16%

You probably know but would hate to admit that when you count revenue, Apple is right with those three, and when you count profits, Apple leaves them way behind.
 
Just last week I wrote a script on my iMac that used a well-written regex to search through tens of thousands of METARs and limit the dataset to only what I was interested in (hourly weather observations).

Now, sure, it’s possible on Windows, but I wrote the script in Python, which is natively bundled in macOS. On Windows, I’d have had to go follow one of many possible methods of installing and setting up Python before getting to work.

That’s an analog for a lot of serious work on Windows, it seems.

I'm very happy for your that you are able to do work on your Mac because it comes with a built-in I.D.E. However, I still stand by my statement that Macs are now designed as toys.

Apple should now be compared to toy companies rather than computer companies.

If you think this is a dig against Apple as a company, it isn't. There is a lot of money in toys. But people who are looking for powerful computers that can be customized to their unique needs would be wise to look elsewhere.
 
And imagine how much they'd sell had they bothered to keep the entire lineup up to speed.
Probably not enough to offset the opportunity cost of diverting resources away from other more lucrative product categories such as the iPhone and Apple Watch.

People here don’t seem to get that these products don’t exist in a vacuum.
 
If Apple want break to out of 4th place they should consider a real pro laptop with 32GB+ DRAM and a hybrid Surface-like touch device running MacOS and not toy iOS originally for iPods.

Do you think Apple can sell forty million of those every year? Because that's what it would take today to get third place.

PS. You know that iPads vastly outsell the Microsoft Surface, don't you? Actually, Apple sells about 40 million iPads every year...
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How many server grade computers do Apple sell compared HP or Dell?
How many cars does Apple sell compared to BMW, or compared to Ford? I'm told they don't even sell as many as Bugatti.
 
You probably know but would hate to admit that when you count revenue, Apple is right with those three, and when you count profits, Apple leaves them way behind.

Which probably means we are paying too much for the Macs?

Looking at the line up the only product which offers a decent value for money is the iMac 5K IMHO.
 
When I first started following Apple in 2000, they weren’t even selling 1 million Macs a quarter. So this means that from 2000 to now, they’ve increased Mac sales five-fold. Not too shabby for a chronically “beleaguered” company.
That’s good and all. But what about the past 4-5 years. The number stays pretty much the same.
 

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I'm very happy for your that you are able to do work on your Mac because it comes with a built-in I.D.E. However, I still stand by my statement that Macs are now designed as toys.
First, I don’t think you know what an IDE is. macOS doesn’t come with any IDE.

Apple should now be compared to toy companies rather than computer companies.

If you think this is a dig against Apple as a company, it isn't. There is a lot of money in toys. But people who are looking for powerful computers that can be customized to their unique needs would be wise to look elsewhere.
That’s just about always been the case.
 
Not whining just stating FACTS. An older Retina MacBook Pro is inherently more versatile than what is offered now.
Many modern Mac users are completely missing the point which is the vast majority of peripherals are USB 3.0 and are likely to be for some time yet. Basically it means if you want one of the modern Macs you need to purchase a docking station to be able to use your remaining Hardware which is quite frankly WRONG.
Unfortunately, the 2015 is not inherently more versatile. As I stated above, all you need to do is buy a couple of replacement USB 3.1 Type-C cables for the devices you want to hook up to the MacBook Pro.

A 2015 MacBook Pro has TWO(2) USB 3.0 ports, which isn’t any better than what the 2016 MacBook Pro has, so you’ll need a dock or a hub to connect more than two USB devices up to either computer, if you want to keep them connected all the time...your argument is a straw one, at best.
 
Please...enough whining about dongles and docking stations, it's been over a year.

I bought a MacBook Pro 15" 2016 and I only have one "dongle", a Transcend card reader, which is hooked up via an Amazon Basics USB-C to USB Micro B cable, of which I ordered two (the other is for a USB hard drive), along with a USB-C to USB 2.0 Male B for my audio interface and a USB-C to Display Port cable for my Dell P2415Q display. Total cost for 4 cables and a card reader - $60.76. I use the card reader for my iMac as well, which saves me time and frustration trying to put an SD card into the slot behind the computer.

In other words, I easily converted over to USB Type-C cables for my peripherals, have one tiny "dongle" on my desk and my transition has been without incident. The angst and teeth gnashing over "donglegate" is so overblown, you would think we lived in a soap opera. All of this venom over replacing a few cables is ridiculous.

Just an FYI for all those saying they will buy a MacBook Pro once all their beloved ports are restored...it's never going to happen. Apple does not move backwards in these types of things. Cough up the cash for some new cables and move on with your lives.

There you have it folks, just because Zdigital2015 was able to only live off one dongle, it means everyone else is a whiner!
 
There you have it folks, just because Zdigital2015 was able to only live off one dongle, it means everyone else is a whiner!
I don't think it means everyone is a whiner, but it does strike me for that for a supposedly more tech-savvy crowd, the people here do seem extremely resistant to change. Yes, change can be difficult and disruptive, but I do feel that many people here tend to fixate on obstacles as seeing only one aspect of the change rather than how one change can cause many things to change as a reaction to a new normal.

For example, think of how the MacBook Air did away with features like the CD-drive and ethernet port and in the process pushed users towards cloud storage and wireless connectivity, while at the same time realise how they could actually get by with fewer ports.

Yes, so one has to invest in a couple of dongles or even new accessories. Why not see this as an opportunity to see how your existing workflow can be refined and improved? For example, USB-C now allows for a one-cable docking solution, either through the 5k display or the triple-port USB-C dongle (something which wasn't previously possible; even the Thunderbolt Display had 2 cables).

Complaining about having to adapt to a new interface is something I would (reasonably) expect from my less tech-savvy peers at my workplace, not the creators here whom by definition have to get ahead of the change or risk finding themselves rapidly falling behind.
 
Just last week I wrote a script on my iMac that used a well-written regex to search through tens of thousands of METARs and limit the dataset to only what I was interested in (hourly weather observations).

Now, sure, it’s possible on Windows, but I wrote the script in Python, which is natively bundled in macOS. On Windows, I’d have had to go follow one of many possible methods of installing and setting up Python before getting to work.

That’s an analog for a lot of serious work on Windows, it seems.

As far as setting up Python goes you really, really want to use an environment manager like Anaconda. It will take you 5 minutes to set up and environment on a Mac, Windows, or Linux system. Without an environment you will set yourself up for a lot of heartache when one of the packages you depend on gets updated and breaks your code.
 
Yes, a desktop OS built from iOS. The same way we have a tablet OS built from iOS, a tv OS built from iOS, and a watch OS built from iOS. So I’m still not sure why luck is needed and what your point is. I’d imagine Apple is already hard at work at something like this and it’s likely the only thing to bring me back to a point and click environment. That’s all I’m saying.

Aren't there iOS like interface options in OSX already ?
Sounds to me that's what you are looking for .

Apart from that, I assume noone will doubt that a computer OS like OSX is far more capable and advanced than iOS, Android and the likes .
Those gadget OSs have their use for the simple demands they are made for, but are just too limited to be run on computers .
 
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What are you talking about? Praise is given when due, and so is criticism. Nobody wants to see Apple go down the gutter.

In which universe? Many folks around here would love to see Apple "go down the gutter", to reinforce their own assumptions about what Apple should and should not be.
 
You probably know but would hate to admit that when you count revenue, Apple is right with those three, and when you count profits, Apple leaves them way behind.
Why would I hate to admit that o_O

I agree, even if you just look at the Mac revenue, Apple's profit margins are much higher then their competitors.
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Those guys sell at 2% margin and ship mostly junk.

Apples and oranges.
I agree that apple's profit margins are superior, but I'm not sure its apples and oranges.
 
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