and yet somehow people did benches on or before the 21st...
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and yet somehow people did benches on or before the 21st...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=453084
However, that post was edited on 2/18 (Last edited by jyar727 : 02-18-2010 at 01:23 AM) and even the first mention in this edited post about Envy i5s was from user sleeyo and we know that he received his Envy i5 on 1/29. Most of the other benchmark results from that post are for the Clarksfield version of the Envy.and yet somehow people did benches on or before the 21st...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=453084
I walked into bestbuy and purchased an i5 laptop for my friend over a month ago. It was a 15.4 inch $500 gateway with a blu ray drive as well, but that's beside the point. I can give you a link to the slickdeals thread about the fantastic deal on the laptop if you want.
So I don't understand why people here are talking about the HP Envy release date. It's not the first Arrandale Laptop by any means.
And it's certainly not the best. That title clearly belongs to this...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...gId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570897#gallery
If Apple wants to stay at the top of it's game, it should be able to match the Vaio Z in terms of design and innovation.
So I don't understand why people here are talking about the HP Envy release date. It's not the first Arrandale Laptop by any means.
And it's certainly not the best. That title clearly belongs to this...
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...gId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570897#gallery
Sony Vaio Z
Design: Aluminium + Carbon Fiber Unibody
Weight: 3.07lbs
Screen: 13.1", 1920 x 1080 Resolution
CPU: Core i7-620M. 3.33GHz Turbo. 35W TDP. 4MB L2 Cache
RAM: 8GB DDR3
SDD: 512GB Solid State Harddrive (Configurable With Up to Two Seperate 256 GB Solid State Raid 0 Drives)
Graphics: Nvidia 330M GT 1GB GDDR3 and Intel HD integrated - switchable
Battery: Sony: 6.5 Hours at Normal Settings (8-10 hrs when used in the Stamina Mode)
Optical Drive: Blu-Ray Burner/DVD Burner
Other: x3 USB2.0, x1 HDMI Out, VGA Out, 802.11 a/b/g/n, GB Ethernet, 2.1 Bluetooth, webcam, mic, SD, Expresscard, Memstick
If Apple wants to stay at the top of it's game, it should be able to match the Vaio Z in terms of design and innovation.
What is innovative about that? Its a computer with good specs and 3G built in, whats so innovative about that?
What is innovative about that? Its a computer with good specs and 3G built in, whats so innovative about that?
Here's just some of the reasons why it's so innovative...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ined-by-project-leader/&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&swap=1
The fact that it has a quad SSD configuration (4 seperate 128 gb SSDs) to make it the first half terabyte SSD 13 inch laptop in existance.
It's carbon fiber alloy that's damn near indestructable and yet still weights in at 3 pounds.
The fact that it offers a slim line blu ray burner, built in 3G and just about every feature anyone could ask for in such a compact design.
The fact that it is comparable to the Macbook Air in terms of portability and size and yet outperforms 99% of the high end Desktops out there.
The innovative power saving features and the Stamina mode that give it ridiculously good battery life all while offering a 1080p resolution.
The switchability of Nvidia 330M GT 1GB GDDR3 and Intel HD integrated with the click of a button.
I haven't seen most of those features on any laptop ever designed. Sure a couple of them have been done before individually, but not quite like this. The fact that all those advancement were made in one and the same laptop, one with excellent build quality and construction, is pretty damn innovative.
If that's not an innovative laptop, then what the hell is?
Again, if you want even more information about the innovative aspects of it's structural design that aren't listed above, read through this...
http://translate.google.com/transla...ined-by-project-leader/&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&swap=1
Now fanboy, calm down. Not everybody MUST RUN Mac OSX. I like Windows 7! But I rather have osx. Plus you can turn this laptop onto a hackintosh. We are comparing HARDWARE TO HARDWARE. INTEL TO INTEL. it is clear that APPLE IS FALLING FAR BEHIND HARDWARE WISE. This thread is NOT ABOUT SOFTWARE.
I hope it clears things up.
Quoted for agreement. Some of us punish our computers with the work we ask them to do. Sometimes we need power and a laptop.
Apple won't let you have both right now. But they'll charge you for it!
It's just the curse of Apple using intel parts now. They can't hide when they fall behind in pricing. And there is no way that Apple would think of dropping the price of their laptops over time. They have to maintain that price point for appearances.Would you care to share some details on this (like the precise date, since no one is disputing that a few Arrandale-based models started popping up around the end of January)?
I just checked the Best Buy website and they appear to no longer carry any Gateway Core i5s. However, there is a post from 2/19/10 from a user in Seattle, WA that they purchased a 15" Gateway Core i3 from Best Buy for $499 and was shocked to later discover that the unit actually contained a Core i5-430M (so someone from either Gateway or perhaps Best Buy screwed up). In any case, the cheapest Core i3 model that Best Buy currently lists is $600.
The reason we've talked about the HP Envy is that someone claimed that the Arrandale version of the HP Envy shipped less than a week after CES began on Jan. 7.wikoogle said:
As far as the Sony VAIO Z, that's a nice unit but it isn't yet available in the U.S. (Sony's website says that it can be pre-ordered with an estimated shipping date of 3/12/2010). However, just recently one person from Australia did post a picture of their brand new, Arrandale-equipped Sony Z so these units appear to be shipping in some parts of the world.wikoogle said:
Not that it means all THAT much, but the i7 620m [as I'm sure you're aware] is 2.6ghz. When a program only needs one core, it can shut down the other "3" and overclock one core to 3.2 [and I"m confused, because Intel cites 3.2, yet sony claims 3.33?]
Real world you probably wouldn't notice the difference anyway. I'm just trying to be concise.
But do you really wanna purchase a product from a company who says under oath in court that "ripping a copy of your legally purchased CD is 'stealing' a copy of that CD"?
Apple has said, and done far worse things than your example, as has pretty much every major corporation out there.
For example, Apple's paranoid security procedures and alleged torturing of one of the engineers designing the iPhone drove him to commit suicide! And to compensate, his family was later given $44,000 and his girlfriend was given a Macbook!!!
And don't forget the recent revelation that three of Apple's factories producing iPhones had been using child labor.
Or the story about how Apple is killing and disabling legally purchased iPhones just because they happened to be jailbroken.
Compared to all that, your quote is a really dumb reason to boycott a company.
As for the 3.33 vs. 3.2, Sony's official site here lists it as benchmarking at 3.33 using the Intel turbo boost technology. I kind of trust Sony on the capabilities of it's own laptop. But if you have a link to a Intel where they say that 3.2 is the max, I would be happy to correct it.
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1832293
This laptop deal is the one I'm talking about. It was mistakenly listed as an i3 (hence the ridiculously low price) but infact everyone of them came with an i5 as everyone in that thread figured out with in an hour or so when they looked up the specs on the laptop.
I purchased it for my friend in the last week of January. I bought it on the 28th, but I know others in that thread I linked to bought it a few days earlier.
That's actually irrelevent, almost two weeks prior to that, on the third week of January, one of my other friends purchased a Toshiba i5 laptop from bestbuy for $799. I believe he made his purchase on the 17th (it was a Sunday deal).
So, indeed, Arrandale processors have been selling at Bestbuy for a little over eight weeks now. Hence, over 2 months ago.
I believe the claim that caused this argument was that they haven't been selling for more than a month. And that is absolutely false. But maybe I'm mistaken about what this argument is about. I haven't read many posts in this thread.
Why because it is a Mac centric forum and people here do not want to use windows? Give me a break. What do you expect. Oh that is right head on over to the windows forums and start talking up your latest apple purchase. Lets so how that goes.
You seem to mistake Foxconn for apple in the first case.
The second one, Apple itself reported it, investigated it, and dealt with the problem. That seems pretty damn responsible for a company.
ROTFL.
Who said I was a fanboy? I use Windows and Macs (for different purposes).
Perhaps I should be clearer.
A computer is a tool which can't achieve anything by itself.
You need an operating system and software. It simply doesn't make sense to compare hardware only.
Sure some people would like the fastest processor, but is a slight speed bump on a data sheet worth spending an enormous amount of time and money moving back and forth between operating systems and at best cross-grading software?
Hackintosh? Again. A lot of time and trouble and it's ethically questionable.
So with that background, I'll restate my comment...
It doesn't matter if the Sony xd5million has the red-ray and iXXX processor. If someone is already running OSX and has spent $$$ on OSX software, it makes much more sense to stick with the Mac and wait for the speed bump.
Checking into who is being employed at Apple's iPhone production factories seems like something Apple should have done ever since the iPhone began being manufactured three years ago. If Apple took no oversight over how the iPhone was being manufactured until recently, that's their fault. It's commendable that they finally fixed it. But that doesn't change the fact it should have been found and fixed in 2007.
Anyways, my point is that it's stupid to boycott Sony for something one of their lawyers said, while Apple's contractors have done far worse things.
Seriously, don't act like Apple bears absolutely no responsibility for the subcontractors that they hired to test and manufacture their products.
And don't act like Apple bears no responsibility for the high level of secrecy employed around their products.
Both stances are dishonest...
This was THE foxconn department that was testing and modifying the iPhone prototypes. Don't act like Apple had no oversight of what was being done there.
Apple is not stupid. There is absolutely no way that Foxconn was tweaking with the iPhone prototype without atleast some Apple employees overseeing exactly what they are doing.
Are you seriously telling me that you believe Apple subcontracted out a company to test the iPhone prototype, and wasn't keeping a close eye on what they were doing over there?
Damn straight, if i could run OSX on a Vaio properly, without having to hack anything, id already have that machine. OSX is the only thing that has me putting up with all of their secret squirrel BS, delays and outdated hardware.
Nice. Thanks for the tip.
I actually spoke with an Apple helper-dude (one with the blue shirt) and asked him about users upgrading RAM. He said that "if you do, keep the original chips. If you ever need to send it to Apple for repairs and it has your "upgrade" sticks inside, they won't even open it. They'll send it right back to you and blame whatever it is on the non-Apple RAM."
And I believe a user who posted later in this thread backs that statement up with his own experience... eep.
Okay, I did some internet forensics and I've confirmed the following:
Best Buy's ad circular for Jan. 10 -16 contained no mentions of laptops using Core i3/i5 processors (those would be Arrandales).
The ad circular from Jan. 17 - 23 contained the following Core i3/i5 listings:
Dell S15Z-2249CPN with a Core i5-430M
Sony VPCA111FM/S with a Core i5-430M
Asus U50F-RBBAG05 with a Core i3-330M
HP DV4-2165DX with a Core i3
Toshiba Satellite E205-S1904 with a Core i5-430M
All of these units are currently available at most Best Buy retail outlets. Furthermore, all depend upon Arrandale's IGP (exclusively, meaning no discrete GPU).
I was able to find hands-on reports from Best Buy customers on the Sony, Asus, and the Toshiba each of which was dated 1/19/2010. There were no reviews on the Dell and the earliest review on the HP was dated 2/4/2010. There were also two reviews from users who claim to be from overseas (France and Ireland) that were posted on 1/17/2010 but it's unclear where those units were even purchased. Furthermore, neither of those contained any confirmation of exactly what product they were reviewing (which I've found that you need to be careful about since people sometimes post under the wrong products).
In any case, this seems to be sure evidence that at least the Sony (i5-430M), Asus (i3-330M), and Toshiba (Core i3) were available at Best Buys as early as 1/19/2010 and possibly even as early as 1/17/2010 (which would match to the Best Buy add flyer). That's seven weeks from this past Sunday which exceeds the six weeks I proposed as a compromise in my post from this past weekend. Thus, the "win" goes in favor of gfiz and anyone else who claimed that it had been longer than six weeks since the first Arrandale units had shipped.
However, as I've already said in this thread, that's a far cry from the nearly six months that was suggested in the "Rotting Core" article that started this thread. Witness this statement from Tom's Guide "Some Old RAM and an Even Older CPU":
Best Buy's ad circular for Jan. 10 -16 contained no mentions of laptops using Core i3/i5 processors (those would be Arrandales).
The ad circular from Jan. 17 - 23 contained the following Core i3/i5 listings:
Dell S15Z-2249CPN with a Core i5-430M
Sony VPCA111FM/S with a Core i5-430M
Asus U50F-RBBAG05 with a Core i3-330M
HP DV4-2165DX with a Core i3
Toshiba Satellite E205-S1904 with a Core i5-430M
All of these units are currently available at most Best Buy retail outlets. Furthermore, all depend upon Arrandale's IGP (exclusively, meaning no discrete GPU).
I was able to find hands-on reports from Best Buy customers on the Sony, Asus, and the Toshiba each of which was dated 1/19/2010. There were no reviews on the Dell and the earliest review on the HP was dated 2/4/2010. There were also two reviews from users who claim to be from overseas (France and Ireland) that were posted on 1/17/2010 but it's unclear where those units were even purchased. Furthermore, neither of those contained any confirmation of exactly what product they were reviewing (which I've found that you need to be careful about since people sometimes post under the wrong products).
In any case, this seems to be sure evidence that at least the Sony (i5-430M), Asus (i3-330M), and Toshiba (Core i3) were available at Best Buys as early as 1/19/2010 and possibly even as early as 1/17/2010 (which would match to the Best Buy add flyer). That's seven weeks from this past Sunday which exceeds the six weeks I proposed as a compromise in my post from this past weekend. Thus, the "win" goes in favor of gfiz and anyone else who claimed that it had been longer than six weeks since the first Arrandale units had shipped.
However, as I've already said in this thread, that's a far cry from the nearly six months that was suggested in the "Rotting Core" article that started this thread. Witness this statement from Tom's Guide "Some Old RAM and an Even Older CPU":
As it relates to the MacBook Pros, the only real truth to that statement is that the mobile version of the quad-core, Core i7-720QM/i7-820QM (Clarksfield) shipped in Q4 2009. However, to the best of my knowledge the first mobile version of the Core i5 shipped as an Arrandale this past January (as evidenced in the above laptops at Best Buy). Furthermore, the Clarksfield processor has a TDP of 45W which means that it is certain not "as (if not more) power efficient that the Core 2 Duo offerings."
Don't see how that is any different from buying a product from a company who claims that you can't install your paid for piece of software in anything that hasn't got a half-eaten apple on it's back?