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The news that came yesterday that Apple is thinking about eliminating the headphone jack on the 2018 iPad Pro !! what a fantastic news is that !! Just cannot wait to see what a beast of beauty would that baby be !! It sounds one divine piece of human excellence that is in making !

My only gripe is Apple should now in the Second Avatar of the Airpods should make equally good Airpods which gives some good music output and sound ! Needless to say call making and recieving calls should be equally good ! People who would say oh well ! even the Airpods right now sound good !! No !! And a big No !! There is just no BASS and they aren't loud enough !!

But I am absolutely delighted with this news ! Long time coming Apple ! Good Job ! Now bring it on !! We are all ready !! :)
 
In the end there should be no ports, the future is portless. The only reason to use 3.5mm today is the fact that the airline industry still have their backwards rules about wireless headphones and such, but I guess even those people will have to catch up to science at some point.

Maybe, but that future is far off. Wireless monitors are in their infancy.

USB-C is here to stay for awhile I think. I'm looking forward to when USB-C is as ubiquitous as USB-A, so we don't have the need for so many different ports as most people currently do. Having one, standardized port that does it all sounds nice.
 
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I'm thrilled that Apple will remove the headphone jack from new iPads. The future is clearly wireless and AirPods especially that it is a no brainer to kill this legacy port off now everyone has grown accustomed to iPhones without it.

These new iPad Pros are shaping up to be truly incredible devices. I'm expecting them to be of the future much like iPhone X is; truly revolutionary and ground-breaking devices.
 
In the end there should be no ports, the future is portless. The only reason to use 3.5mm today is the fact that the airline industry still have their backwards rules about wireless headphones and such, but I guess even those people will have to catch up to science at some point.

wait what airline rules? I fly about 30 flights a year and have never heard a peep about wireless headphones !
 
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Maybe the smart connector at the bottom near the lightning port is for the apple pencil? I saw an article on patently apple (?) that there is a new design for the apple pencil which has smart connector
 
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We’ve seen phones go below 5mm thickness with tge 3.5mm jack and we’ve also seen IP68 rated phones with the 3.5mm jack so that’s not it.

I do however care about the design of my devices to the point that I think a 3.5mm diameter hole that I don’t use most of the time is “slightly ugly” but that’s not my main reason for wanting it gone on the iPad.

I’m mainly a tech geek that wants technology to move forward. It’s kind of complicated to explain my logic about this but it’s mostly because I want everyone to move to wireless. Connecting a wire from a small box in your hand and putting the two end point inside your ears is such a ridiculous thing to do and it’s very inconvenient having that wire hanging there all the time. :D

That being said you’re saying that Bluetooth is well established so why do I not just shut up about other people’s usage and just care about myself? Well, it’s because I think it’s not and most Bluetooth headphones right now can not replace wired headphones in some cases. :eek:

My main complaint right now is latency because my AirPods have a ~250ms delay for real time audio. This makes it impossible to do certian things like fast-paced games and playing on a virtual piano. Apple even recommends using wired headphones in Garageband.

Other people want better sound quality but Bluetooth 4 will compress the audio when transferring it to the headphones.

I’m saying that the Bluetooth market is not well established because there is basically no product that can replace wired headphones and it’s not necessarily because of technology not being there because we have Bluetooth 5 which doubles bandwidth and has better latency.

Apple solved some problems with wireless earbuds with the AirPods. That included better reliability, easy connection and better battery life (24h in case!). The market was not there at all, this is why wireless headphones was not very successful before and why AirPods has become so popular.

Now we need any company to continue with the same ease of use of the AirPods and make a replacement for high quality audio headphones with low latency wireless connection. That in my opinion is the point when wireless can completely take over wired headphones. I’m sure even audiophiles will start to adopt wireless.

We also need cheaper wireless options. Right now, wireless is considerd as a premium feature instead of being a basic feature for every headphone.

What Apple did with the iPhone 7 headphone jack removal spurred a change in the industry and started driving other manufacturers to stop putting headphone jacks in phones. If they continue doing this, more and more companies will start to sell wireless headphones. This will make the market more competitive, lower the pricess and fill the market with more choices and better technology. Why do we still not have a single Bluetooth 5 headphone a year after the standard was introduced? :mad:

Apple has shown several times that they can help the industry adopt new and better technology by excluding older technology. Do you remember how many people wanted Flash player on the iPhone? Steve Jobs refused to include it on iPhone and iPad and it took many years but his refusal finally paid off and we got a much better replacement.

The same can be said for the optical disc removal which first started on the MacBook Air mainly to get more space in a thin laptop. A few years later it was removed from the desktop iMac which didn’t really need the space saving but was removed so Apple could put an end to optical discs.

Apple is also forcing the same thing with the USB-C transission. Not doing anything means the market won’t adopt the new better standard.

We’re now in the 3.5mm to wireless transition. Apple started this transition by removing the port from their iPhones and introducing the AirPods. These transitional periods are always very painful to go through for some people but once we reach the point where wireless becomes the basic feature of headphones I think that prices will drop and the wireless market will flourish with more and better choices. This is why I think the removal of the headphone jack is a necessary step on the iPad and even the Macs. Until the transition is over, some people will have to make use of the dongle to connect their wired headphones.

I hope this explains my thought process. :apple:

The main problem I have with your argument is that you want people to move to wireless. I won't argue that wireless has its advantages, but it isn't the best at everything. The problem here is the forcefulness. Any time you are forcing someone to change something unnecessary you are being selfish. You may want the wireless future, others may not care and are perfectly happy using what they have. Lets just say for example that wireless is the norm and you now have the perfect device to fit your usage. You love it. Then something else comes along that has some good and some bad along with it and you are now forced to step out of that because they said nope, this is the future. The point is, everyone has a different idea of what that perfect device is. If people want it, the market will buy into it on their own and they don't need to be forced. The removal of the floppy and optical discs are different, we were outgrowing them as an industry and it was obvious they were becoming less necessary for most people. Apple just jumped a little earlier than most on it. Here with USB C and the headphone jack, they just decided they were old and it's time for new. Most of the market doesn't agree or fit this sentiment. Sure USB C is superior to USB A in every way other than the fact that everything I own is USB A. But I'll be dammed if I'm going to spend money on a laptop that requires an adaptor to work with literally everything I have now. **** that. This also leads me to my next point. Money. Every change like this requires people to buy new everything. Businesses love that, but people are constantly having their pockets raided by companies with hidden costs/fee's in things now days. It's getting to the point where it's completely ridiculous. If I buy a $3000 laptop from apple, it better ****ing include everything I need to connect most of the still not legacy things I own. Otherwise, that laptop really is more expensive because you have to buy all these other things and the experience is now worse because you have to carry around an adaptor and not just a laptop. Same with wireless headphones. I'm happy with my wired headphones, I don't want to spend money on new headphones just because someone decided they were the future. 3.5mm jack is still an industry standard. Apple is removing it to make you have to buy more stuff so they can make more profit, they try to make you want to buy more stuff by making the old way more difficult to use (lightning to 3.5mm/all USB C laptop). Then people fall for that ****. Basically, We needed few years of a laptop with all legacy ports and a couple USB C ports so as things need to be upgraded I can get the USB C version and then in a few years when USB C is more ubiquitous, then drop the legacy port. I would have bought one of those laptops in a heartbeat, but instead I will keep my mid 2012 15" cMBP until it dies. 3.5mm I don't see going away ever in the industry, so I am more pissed about that drop than the USB C thing. Apple used to make what I would consider damn near perfect devices, but now they just keep taking away things I like and replacing them with things that are more disposable (What do you do when your bluetooth headphones battery goes bad? Buy a new one? again, money.), or worse to use with how I like to use my devices.
 
Yeah but not everyone wants to buy AirPods, my girlfriend and I both have them. But that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to drop $170 on them. Especially after giving $1000+ for an iPhone. They should come in the box for that price.
I don’t deny they are expensive. Totally worth it for me though. Of course it would be nice if Apple gave them away, but Apple likes to make money, and lots of it.
 
Negative. I teach quite a bit in various locations, and must carry an assortment of adapters to ensure I can connect to whatever media devices the host has. I frequently need VGA to projector and 3.5mm to get audio out as hdmi is not always available. There are endless needs for various connectivity issues and eliminating hardware features merely complicates connectivity for the user.
My use situation for iPP 12” is similar. 3.5mm is not only useful but also necessary on the majority of job assignments involving audio outputs. But then the users like us that use iPad to make their work productive are not counted as ‘Pro’ users by the current Apple executives. To these executives, pro users are the ones that pay much for zero opioln.
 
Indeed, it is the industry standard for audio, along with ¼” jacks and XLRs; it has been for well over 50 years, and is likely to be for another 50 at least. I don’t see Apple adding either jack sockets or XLRs onto the iPad Pro, so they might as well retain the 3.5mm socket.
We just ordered a bunch of the Rapco bluetooth adapters for this very reason. I'm just going to send one out with each desk because I've had too many instances of engineers (myself included) being SOL with an iPhone X and no adapter.
 
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That's a pretty good summary, I'd say! But let's turn that argument around, shall we? There were plenty of good reasons for dropping the 3.5mm jack: more space for larger battery, more sensors (whatever MR-users aggressively ask for these days), removing one of the solely mechanical and hence tear-and-wear-prone components reduces number of failures, etc.. And of course there are pretty good alternatives.
I totally see why some people are unhappy about the removal of the headphone jack. But does that make it the wrong decision? The sales figures say otherwise, and, anecdotally, I have yet to read an MR-post of a former iPhone X user who returned it due to the lack of the headphone jack (honestly, if you see one please show me, I'm interested!).

More space - Barely. Yes it used some space, but not much and I don't feel that tradeoff was worth it even for a second.
More Sensors - For what? I can't think of a sensor that I want or need beyond what is in my 6S which still has the jack.
Wear and Tear - This may be anecdotal, but I've never ever had a 3.5mm jack fail on me.
Alternatives - What alternatives?, an adaptor, Bluetooth (see all the other arguments for that one).

Bluetooth has it's advantages, sure. But it doesn't present a clear winner like Flash player did. The water is far more muddy on this one.
 
Is that ‘proprietary crap’ you’re referring to being the highly successful product known as the AirPods? Hardly, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

Regardless, I don’t believe this rumor at all and I think the 3.5 mm Jack will be here for the iPad for the foreseeable future.
I think he's referring to the Lightning port for which you need an adapter to be able to simultaneously charge and listen to music with wired headphones (which don't have connection issues or run out of power).
 
wait what airline rules? I fly about 30 flights a year and have never heard a peep about wireless headphones !

Many airlines still say any wireless device is disallowed, some say it is okay after takeoff and such, some say its completely okay so it is a bit hit or miss.

Most of the time no one will say anything though ;).
 
It’s called Bluetooth. They have been making Bluetooth headphones for 15+ years.
Yeah, but it shouldn't be the only option. Some of us prefer wired headphones because they always work; they don't have connection problems, and they never run out of power. I'm also not a fan of frequently subjecting my brain to additional radiation.
 
Which is hilarious, to say the least.
After having a Bluetooth headphone, I am less resistant to not removing headphone jack. However, if what Apple wants is users using all Apple products and/or affiliated brand's products, that would be bad for even more people.
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Welcome to 2020, where "hard reset" your precious device needs an Apple Store trip because no button is available for local hard reset. Magic.

Is that true? There’s no way to hard reset the iPhone anymore? No way. I’m not going to the Apple store so they can tell me to schedule an appt. that’s ridiculous.
I swear I might just leave Apple. I’m having probs with my iPhone now my Apple TV4K. They def are falling off.
What’s funny is they must think people don’t have options. There are so many options today and it’s easier to switch than ever before.
 
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I just don’t get it. U people understand that every company follows apples lead, there will not be any headphone jacks in a couple years, you have been warned.
Maybe a couple **** phone makers will keep the he

it must be the 60+ year olds that are upset,
They can’t explain why they want the headphone jack, they just want it dam it.
I'm in my early twenties and yet I understand the irrationality of removing the headphone jack. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that the rest of the world has stopped using it. Other companies will keep using the 3.5mm headphone jack until there's another wired standard. Some people want a pair of headphones that always works and doesn't require daily charging.
 
Or they criticise because Apple does things that are pointless and off putting.

People also like to defend Apple to the death. Happens a lot on this forum.

True, but in this case, removing the jack is obviously not pointless, because there are good and valid reasons to do so for the benefit of the majority of users.

Likewise, in this case, those who understand this move are not defending Apple, but common sense.
 
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Maybe the smart connector at the bottom near the lightning port is for the apple pencil? I saw an article on patently apple (?) that there is a new design for the apple pencil which has smart connector
Now THAT makes sense. Two smart connectors. One for the keyboard one , perhaps magnetic, for the new pencil that can stick to the side of the iPad. Otherwise it’s absolutely dumb. There is no frigging way they would force you to use a keyboard in portrait mode. Completely illogical. Not to mention the 12.9 would fall over. It’s tall.

Second smart connector, yep.
 
I'm in my early twenties and yet I understand the irrationality of removing the headphone jack. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean that the rest of the world has stopped using it.

There is no irrationality. Apple (if the rumor is true) is not removing the jack out of irrational reasons. Also, they are well aware that some people didn’t stop using it, and no one here is claiming the port is useless.

The rationale behind this decision is that majority of people will be fine with either using the adapter (which is really not a big deal and every critic here is acting like you won’t be able to plug in your headphones into the iPad anymore - that is not true) or using wireless headphones. With this in mind, they decided that the benefits of repurposing this space for other internal components are worth the minor inconvenience for a specific group of users.

You can now see why this decision is indeed rational, and why the comment “just because you don’t use it....” is an oversimplified view of the issue.
 
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