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I miss Steve. He was smart enough to see that people did not like the idea of them removing the 3.5mm jack from the phones. Tim appears to have the attitude of, "Hey if everyone hated it then we should do that on our products as well" None of this would be going on if Steve was still running Apple.

MY GAWD, I've said this so many times. Steve wouldn't take them out. NOW, I have to go shopping for the latest, fastest iPad Pro that still has a jack, and hold on for dear life.

And yes, I still have a 6S for this reason.
 
I just don’t see much point in eradicating the 3.5mm headphone jack.

Bluetooth/wireless introduces latency that means many time critical productivity pursuits are harder, unpleasant or impossible.

For the iPhone that was ok because the only people that suffered were gamers and niche content creators. The iPad is still not used like a laptop but it is used more for content creation, audio production, video editing etc where audio is more critical.

Having 3.5mm as a fall back is clever, Apple has loads of redundancy in software but ZERO in its hardware these days. It’s disappointing to see Apple making these decisions on larger devices where no such space constraints or waterproofing demands are there.

I keep seeing posts like these and you guys fail to mention the adapter. Do you just not like that as a solution?

Like I get why some of you are up in arms about this, but at the same time I’m like, really? How often do you really use the headphone jack? (Not you specifically, but in general.)

And how often do you need to charge AND plug in a 3.5mm jack at the same time?

I mean this was bound to happen eventually, but the adapter is only $9 and is included as of now with iPhone 7/8/X. You just leave it attached to your headphones and plug in whenever.

I guess I’m in the minority Lol.
 
Yeah, might be time to get a 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 at a cheaper price - I have the 12.5, but there are times I'd like the smaller form factor AND landscape keyboard use AND phone jack AND touch id. If all that's out of date for Apple, so be it. Up to now the iPad is still the superior tablet, IMO. I'm hoping that competing phones, tablets, and computers will continue to support features many people still need for daily use.
There aren’t very many high end android tablets. The galaxy tab S4 is coming out next month. It’s also supposed to be dropping the home button too and reducing the bezels. We will have to wait and see if they retain the headphone jack.
 
Again, the headphone jack takes up a very minute amount of space. Try taking a look inside an iPad Pro and you’ll find that the speaker design prevents the battery getting too much bigger. Have a look at an iPad Pro tear down.

Apple currently does build iPads with the features I like and there is no alternative. Removing the 3.5mm port is a significant blow to the suitability of the iPad for me.

I don’t get why you get so up in arms at the slightest hint of anyone not agreeing 100 percent with everything Apple does.



Of course it won’t slow sales down. People accept mediocrity. Sales is not equal to the best product.

Apple will have made the decision they think reflects their ‘vision’ and laziness.



There is free space in the iPad pros.

I’m pretty used to everyone crying on this site, so I don’t mind that much. Personally, I’d just buy another product and move on though. Oh well.
 
I use my iOS devices horizontally like 95% of the time, especially the iPad. Considering a pro in the future but that is a huge whip to only be able to unlock vertically.

This is the biggest takeaway from the article. Not the dang headphone jack Lol.

Apple needs to really make Face ID work vertically and horizontally. Typing in the passcode horizontally isn’t that big of a deal, but shouldn’t be necessary.
 
Final nail in Apple coffin for me. Pointless exercise in making something smaller that actually benefits from having something "hold on to". My mum's not going to go out and buy wireless headphones, so she'll just get an android. Never seen a company implode so consistently, with everyone telling them that they could easily avoid it.

How many wired earphones does your mom have? How often does she listen to music with said earphones/headphones?

Would it be a problem if she just leaves the adapter attached to the earphones and plugs it into the iPad when she needs?

Genuinely curious.
 
It’s time to move on and go wireless.
that's a foolish comment.
what about people who are editing or composing music and need real high quality and precise headphones?
I have the very best and most expensive bluetooth headphones and while they are great for listening to music, there is no way they can match the quality and accuracy needed for even semi professional work..
yes it's moving forward if the target user is a casual, noob person..that makes iPad "Pro" is just another casual toy device.
 
The external accessory framework for iOS is broken. That’s the framework used for detecting MiFi devices.

Other than game controllers, it appears lightning based accessories aren’t a big seller on iOS.

I have a laundry list of issues with iPad, but headphone connectors aren’t as high a priority as say an easy way to stream iTunes to your TV.

And the answer from Apple is buy an Apple TV.

Ideally, I could just plug my $1000 iPhone into the TV and press play.

Example: I’m in a hotel room with my iPhone. I have Hulu, Netflix, iTunes, and HBOGO. I can’t watch that content on the TV unless I buy the dongle adapter. And then, it has a choppy frame rate.

I suppose I could just get a room at the Hilton because they have premium channels.
 
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So, what is the goal removing ports? Make them razor thin so you can hardly grip them? Paper thin and flexible so they’re foldable and stick them in your pocket? Thin and fragile so when they’re dropped they shatter like the glimmering glass they’re made of?
 
Have you looked how much space there is inside an iPad?

And I have multiple headphones and multiple devices, I also like to charge and listen to music so the Adaptor is crap.

Siri is a waste of my phones storage space but I don’t demand its removal because I know other people use it.

Some people need to look paste their own fanboyismn to the fact that people have different use cases, requirements and situations.

I understand my opinions and thoughts on here don’t matter to apples decision, but I also find the fact that people will support this based purely on the fact that it is rumoured Apple will do it, and if Apple do it, it must be right off putting.

Fanboyism vs entitlement.
 
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I use iPad 95+% of the time in horizontal orientation which is better for browsing and reading emails.
... and for watching video, and for double windows. I frequently use landscape for double paged sheet music apps such as forScore and Piascore while plugged into wired headphones for feedback devoid of latency and battery worries. Landscape is also useful for multiple pages of document production and editing - which is where the current Smart Keyboard works well sans independent batteries.
 
I keep seeing posts like these and you guys fail to mention the adapter. Do you just not like that as a solution?

Like I get why some of you are up in arms about this, but at the same time I’m like, really? How often do you really use the headphone jack? (Not you specifically, but in general.)

And how often do you need to charge AND plug in a 3.5mm jack at the same time?

I mean this was bound to happen eventually, but the adapter is only $9 and is included as of now with iPhone 7/8/X. You just leave it attached to your headphones and plug in whenever.

I guess I’m in the minority Lol.
A very real use case for the iPad is connecting it to a VGA projector via the lightning accessory, and plugging in the audio cable into the headphone jack for when you need to output sound (like playing a video). When I ran a school event last year, the slides (which contained embedded videos) were run from my iPad. An audio jack adapter doesn't address this.

While I do have an Apple TV set up in both of my classrooms in school, that doesn't address the use of iPads elsewhere where I don't have the benefit of "home ground advantage", such as the school hall, or outside of school. I could still get behind the removal of the headphone jack from the iPhone since I generally don't use them for presentations (though I have done so), but it would suck for the iPad.

In theory, if Apple can release a lightning to VGA adaptor with an audio jack built-in, I can still get behind this change, since I am already using AirPods, but considering that they didn't do with with the iPhone, it's unlikely we will see it with the iPad.
 
If this idea is adopted in the iPAD there will be no way to use an ethernet cable and listen to whatever is on the internet at the same time... check this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/has-anyone-tried-using-ethernet-on-ipad-pro.1974288/

How about the people who suffer from this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

Or simply don't want to be flooded with wireless radiation all the time? Guess health is not a concern if becomes an obstacle to sell more Airpods (and an adapter to do something that should stay there)... this is Apple being Apple, nothing new.

Besides removing this choice from users what is the real benefit for the device itself? Will this allow me to use the iPAD 15 hours (instead of 10) in a single charge? Because if it did then I would be willing to accept this change. Instead it's again another display of megalomania.

What's next? Removing the speakers? Locking the device if I want to go offline? *

* They already showed in iOS 11 to not be willing to disable wi-fi and BT completely (you know what I mean).
 
I miss Steve. He was smart enough to see that people did not like the idea of them removing the 3.5mm jack from the phones. Tim appears to have the attitude of, "Hey if everyone hated it then we should do that on our products as well" None of this would be going on if Steve was still running Apple.


Hmmm, I remember the same angst when Steve removed the floppy drives, 3-1/2" disk and optical drives. No one misses them because the future is wireless and the plug in devices lesson water resistance, gum up over time and are not upgradeable when systems change. Take a look at the first iPod and tell me you would rather have that device (mine is still working BTW) than what we have now. Nope. I do agree with missing Steve but time marches on and so do we ....
 
So, what is the goal removing ports? Make them razor thin so you can hardly grip them? Paper thin and flexible so they’re foldable and stick them in your pocket? Thin and fragile so when they’re dropped they shatter like the glimmering glass they’re made of?

See 2001 a Space Odyssey for the corporate goals, also Star Trek (but we have most of those already except for the faster than light part)
 
There is no way Apple is going to a vertical only smart connector. It is just not going to happen. According to Tim Cook, he uses an iPad all of the time, and it would be instantly obvious to the CEO how incredibly dumb a vertical only orientation would be for productivity, video, note taking, email, etc..

It is possible Apple could add a vertical smart connector to allow use in both orientations.
 
that's a foolish comment.
what about people who are editing or composing music and need real high quality and precise headphones?
I have the very best and most expensive bluetooth headphones and while they are great for listening to music, there is no way they can match the quality and accuracy needed for even semi professional work..
yes it's moving forward if the target user is a casual, noob person..that makes iPad "Pro" is just another casual toy device.
On. I'm amazed at the number of people on here who chime in basically, "I don't need or use <whatever port/jack>, so no one else needs it." There's also the retort among these folks that, "If you like <whatever port I don't need>, you need to move on." To that I answer that I have, but that doesn't ameliorate that I must do so without MacOS and/or iOS. Of course, the standard reply to that is, "Apple profits mean your needs don't make any difference." Most of these folks are happy with everything Apple does, and the mistake is to try to voice anything derogatory of recent Apple trends. The only reason I do so is to decipher if others are as disappointed as I am. There are, and lately, quite a few. But yeah, Apple profits ...
 
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