Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models

[Dave245]

it's clear by this comment alone that you didn't bother to actually read anyones responses to you or in this thread.

we've all layed out numerous reasons why keep it. and your only response is "BECAUSE I LIKE WIRELESS"

AND yet we have to repeat over and over and over and over again:

WITH THE HEADPHONE JACK, YOU CAN STILL USE WIRELESS BLUETOOTH. you get to have your cake and so do we.

without the headphone Jack.. only YOU get to eat cake, because options and functionality got removed.

And you obviously haven’t read my responses because I did say that I understand why the minority would be upset that they removed it but the majority usually rules and that’s probably Apple’s thinking knowing that they wouldn’t be able to please everyone.

Apple won’t be the only ones to do it, eventually most other companies will follow suit, you can either continue to be annoyed by it but it won’t change the situation.

 

[bladerunner2000]

No, I’m just saying I get why they removed it. Why keep it when you can use the AirPods which work brilliantly.

Because you're not the only one using an iPad.

 

[midwestfisherma]

#Apple #SaveTheJack!

 

[Count Blah]

Exactly

These kind of well steve jobs wouldn’t do this is complete BS

Of course he would. There’s very little he would do differently

Sure there is, Steve would upgrade the Macs!

 

[Dave245]

nobody can claim this, or the opposite.

Simple fact: Nobody knows. because there's no accurate sampling or data. the adoption of wireless has too many factors. With so many variables claiming this is jumping to conclusions without evidence.

The problem why this isn't known is because there's no comparable. if you want a modern iPhone with a headphone jack, there is none. you have no choices (in iOS land). you could probably say that the majority of Apple users don't know or care or its not as big a priority to them as some other part of the device. But to say they prefer it? we don't know.

if Apple released an iPhone 8 with the jack and an iPhone 8 without the jack, so we can actually compare user choice and the jackless device sold more. than you would have a reasonably more correct conclusion. But they didn't. you either get a modern iPhone without a jack, or you go android.

Judging by the amount of people that use the AirPods and the fact that they have sold really well, the AirPods are popular at least. Obviously we don’t have the actual figures but the majority of people who can be seen commuting around London and other parts of the world with the AirPods they seem very popular. Maybe the majority of people simply don’t care as you say.

Let’s not forget that people who often complain on these forums don’t represent the majority so we have no way of knowing if the majority of Apple users care about the removal of the headphone jack, but judging by the amount of people I see out and about with the AirPods I’d have to say not.
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Because you're not the only one using an iPad.

And yet AGAIN the majority of people who use the iPad for video or audio editing is in the minority and it’s often the majority who rule, as I’ve said previously I’m sure Apple will have thought about the pros and cons of removing it and knowing that it won’t please everyone.

 

[Roadstar]

No, I’m just saying I get why they removed it. Why keep it when you can use the AirPods which work brilliantly.

You mean this brilliantly? That’s with my AirPods.

 

[Piggie]

Since when? My 2011 iMac was already using mobile graphics cards.

I was simply saying, back then, esp with the CRT models, there was physical space inside, due to the overall casing size to fit better cooling and GPU's

Oh, I'm sure Apple could fit something nice if they really wanted.
I mean, you in efect could have 27" of aluminium cooling fins on a large iMac if you wanted
Just make fins part of the design of the back of the case in a very cool and sexy way

 

[Dave245]

You mean this brilliantly? That’s with my AirPods.

Again see my previous posts. For doing what the majority do ie listening to music the AirPods are brilliant.

 

[Roadstar]

Again see my previous posts. For doing what the majority do ie listening to music the AirPods are brilliant.

They’re OK/good, but I wouldn’t call them brilliant with the amount of issues they have. I get output from only one AirPod unless I do a round or two of ”put them back into the case and take them out again” multiple times a week. Also the W1 chip functionality could be more reliable. I could often switch devices more quickly with the old-school way of pairing them with a new device instead of trying to work with the W1 switch. Of course I’m always optimistic ”this time it’ll work” and three minutes, 23 tries and a lot of cussing later they’re actually connected to the device I wanted in the first place.

 

[Abazigal]

So what? You think if the 3.5mm jack was in the iphone it'd somehow take away your ability to use bluetooth?

Sometimes, the fun part comes not in what feature gets removed, but in observing what succeeds it, and how.

 

[LordVic]

Again see my previous posts. For doing what the majority do ie listening to music the AirPods are brilliant.

wow.

Thank you for proving our point.

this direction is a literally "**** you" to those of us who are not in that majority. it's exclusionary and it's effectively telling me "No, we do not want your money".

THIS is the point you clearly repetitively miss over and over again.

yes. we're glad you love your AirPods. They're great devices. none of us are saying otherwise. Bluetooth wireless is great to have a lot of the time.

BUT NOT 100% of the time. There are a lot of people, maybe not the majority, who have use for the 3.5mm jack. VERY VALID AND GOOD USES. and Apple essentially said "**** off". that is the behaviour you're defending.

for audio, Wireless and Wired co-habitate very well together when a device is trying to be the centre of your life like smart devices are. And maybe Apple's decisions have made us a minority now of Apple's client, because decisions like this tend to make some of us, who don't treat them like a religion, stop being their customers.

 

[Dave245]

They’re OK/good, but I wouldn’t call them brilliant with the amount of issues they have. I get output from only one AirPod unless I do a round or two of ”put them back into the case and take them out again” multiple times a week. Also the W1 chip functionality could be more reliable. I could often switch devices more quickly with the old-school way of pairing them with a new device instead of trying to work with the W1 switch. Of course I’m always optimistic ”this time it’ll work” and three minutes, 23 tries and a lot of cussing later they’re actually connected to the device I wanted in the first place.

I can’t say as I’ve personally had many issues with mine, the only issue I’ve had is connecting to my old 2011 MacBook Pro but I thought that was due to the fact that it’s an old machine.

Other than that I just take them out of the case pop them in my ears and tap on the AirPods on my iPhone or iPad and they work well from there, I love to be able to walk around the house with them without having to carry my device when I go for coffee or something.

They are rumoured to be getting an update soon so maybe they will update the latency?

I use mine for almost of the day, pop them back into the case while I’m eating or having to do somting else, during that time they charge, at night I pop the case on charge along with my iPhone and Apple Watch (I’ll be glad when they finally release the AirPower charging mat at least I won’t have to worry about the multiple wires to all the devices) and repeat the next day.

 

[Roadstar]

I can’t say as I’ve personally had many issues with mine, the only issue I’ve had is connecting to my old 2011 MacBook Pro but I thought that was due to the fact that it’s an old machine.

Other than that I just take them out of the case pop them in my ears and tap on the AirPods on my iPhone or iPad and they work well from there, I love to be able to walk around the house with them without having to carry my device when I go for coffee or something.

They are rumoured to be getting an update soon so maybe they will update the latency?

I use mine for almost of the day, pop them back into the case while I’m eating or having to do somting else, during that time they charge, at night I pop the case on charge along with my iPhone and Apple Watch (I’ll be glad when they finally release the AirPower charging mat at least I won’t have to worry about the multiple wires to all the devices) and repeat the next day.

Despite the issues, I like mine and use them pretty much whenever possible. They’re just not good enough to give up having a reliable backup method, especially for the times when I need real-time audio. They’re also not going to magically make my car accept Bluetooth also for media audio and not just phone calls.

 

[Dave245]

wow.

Thank you for proving our point.

this direction is a literally "**** you" to those of us who are not in that majority. it's exclusionary and it's effectively telling me "No, we do not want your money".

THIS is the point you clearly repetitively miss over and over again.

yes. we're glad you love your AirPods. They're great devices. none of us are saying otherwise. Bluetooth wireless is great to have a lot of the time.

BUT NOT 100% of the time. There are a lot of people, maybe not the majority, who have use for the 3.5mm jack. VERY VALID AND GOOD USES. and Apple essentially said "**** off". that is the behaviour you're defending.

for audio, Wireless and Wired co-habitate very well together when a device is trying to be the centre of your life like smart devices are. And maybe Apple's decisions have made us a minority now of Apple's client, because decisions like this tend to make some of us, who don't treat them like a religion, stop being their customers.

As sucky as it seems (I don’t dissagree that to the minority it does suck) Apple have chosen to do somthing that excludes them and go more with the mainstream majority. Would it matter to me if they left the headphone jack on the iPad Pro? No I just wouldn’t use it like I don’t now, but me personally the removal of the headphone jack hasn’t been as much of an issue as I first thought it would be when I brought the iPhone 7 Plus.

We are jumping ahead here anyway because nothing has been officially announced, for all we know this rumour could be wrong and people are getting worked up over noting OR it could turn out to be correct and just after the September event (or during it?) these forums will be fun with people ranting about what Apple have chosen to do.

 

[LordVic]

As sucky as it seems (I don’t dissagree that to the minority it does suck) Apple have chosen to do somthing that excludes them and go more with the mainstream majority. Would it matter to me if they left the headphone jack on the iPad Pro? No I just wouldn’t use it like I don’t now, but me personally the removal of the headphone jack hasn’t been as much of an issue as I first thought it would be when I brought the iPhone 7 Plus.

We are jumping ahead here anyway because nothing has been officially announced, for all we know this rumour could be wrong and people are getting worked up over noting OR it could turn out to be correct and just after the September event (or during it?) these forums will be fun with people ranting about what Apple have chosen to do.

Thank you.

that is al we've (or at least I) have been trying to say. I'm in that minority who has use for the port and will continue to do so.

sometimes, people don't criticize because they hate or are justhaters. sometimes, they actually are impacted when decisions such as this are made.

we're still abit away. it maybe worth it to pick up the current iPad Pro now though just in case.

 

[theluggage]

I understand but as I’ve said previously they are in the minority and Apple I’m sure knows that (they are not stupid) but majority rules,

Twitter shares have closed down more than 20% after the messaging platform reported a fall in active users.
User numbers fell to 335 million in the second quarter of the year, down one million from the previous three months.
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That's a fall in customers of 0.3% - I'd say that's a minority, probably even go so far as to call it a tiny minority... comparing it to the proportion of iPad users who not only want a headphone jack but also want a built-in Betamax player and a complete set of original Star Wars tapes is probably a bit of an exaggeration, but still...

So, what percentage of sales do you recon Apple could afford to lose (or, even, fail to show the expected growth) before the shareholders start to get uneasy?

No, the time that you start removing "minority" features for no good reason is when your sales are stagnant and you think you can increase revenue by cutting costs, raising prices and relying on blindly loyal customers to buy your products as fashion items provided they look superficially prettier... something that might work indefinitely when you're selling $5 handbags for $1000 and 10cc bottles of smelly liquid for $100, but if you're making products that actually cost real money to design, manufacture and support you're gonna need a new business model before too long.

 

[Feenician]

37 pages of hysteria and righteous indignation over a rumor about something rectified with a tiny cable that is included in the box. Gotta love it.

 

[Dave245]

Twitter shares have closed down more than 20% after the messaging platform reported a fall in active users.
User numbers fell to 335 million in the second quarter of the year, down one million from the previous three months.
BBC News
​

That's a fall in customers of 0.3% - I'd say that's a minority, probably even go so far as to call it a tiny minority... comparing it to the proportion of iPad users who not only want a headphone jack but also want a built-in Betamax player and a complete set of original Star Wars tapes is probably a bit of an exaggeration, but still...

So, what percentage of sales do you recon Apple could afford to lose (or, even, fail to show the expected growth) before the shareholders start to get uneasy?

No, the time that you start removing "minority" features for no good reason is when your sales are stagnant and you think you can increase revenue by cutting costs, raising prices and relying on blindly loyal customers to buy your products as fashion items provided they look superficially prettier... something that might work indefinitely when you're selling $5 handbags for $1000 and 10cc bottles of smelly liquid for $100, but if you're making products that actually cost real money to design, manufacture and support you're gonna need a new business model before too long.

iPhone sales are still good and AirPods seem to sell really well too, exact sales for AirPods are not known but they were back ordered for a long time. Apple has removed something on the iPhone that most people used but they said “here is the alternative” with the AirPods which for the people who use them to listen to music rather than editing has worked quite well and they do seem popular.

What Apple hadn’t done is solved the issue for the minority who do use them to edit with, tho they did include an adapter in the box but I understand that it’s stupid to use an adapter for the headphone jack I had to do it until my AirPods arrived and I hated it.

Only time will tell with Apple. They are very stubborn, why do you think they haven’t made a Surface competitor? because they don’t think it’s the right thing to do, compromise is not something they seem to want they have a fork road map and it seems very little will cause them to go off track.

 

[Mildredop]

It’ll stay on for at least 5 more years I’d guess. To the point where we see keynote after keynote and all say “really? It’s still there??”

So you agree with me that MacBook Pros will be next...
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I don't really have a choice on the computer side as I don't want to use another windows machine ever. Chrome OS is too limited to have as primary computer. I can use it but I need another computer with a full OS too. The iPad is much better than any other tablet.

And that's why Apple pull this stuff - there are millions of people like you who essentially say "I don't like what Apple are doing, but I'm never, ever going to try anything else."

If my employer told me they would never, ever sack me, I'd immediately give up caring and just see how much I could get away with. Apple are doing the same.

 

[nofunsir]

Analog out is vital to the creative workflow.
You cannot create or record music with a Bluetooth delay in the loop.
It's practically impossible for the human mind.
Bing "Speech Jammer" and "Stutter Simulator"

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

Anyone create mockups of what these iPads may look like based on these dimensions?

I'm probably still going to go for the smaller of the two, but I'm curious to know how small they can get that 12.9 iPad to be.

 

[iSayuSay]

And you obviously haven’t read my responses because I did say that I understand why the minority would be upset that they removed it but the majority usually rules and that’s probably Apple’s thinking knowing that they wouldn’t be able to please everyone.

Apple won’t be the only ones to do it, eventually most other companies will follow suit, you can either continue to be annoyed by it but it won’t change the situation.

Well you can still go wired with the adapter. do you remember back when iPod was in its glory days, people were crazy about "iPod dock connector". With which people may entirely bypass the 3.5mm jack and using the 30pin as audio output. The idea (or myth, actually) is you should get better audio because of the digital output from 30 pin, instead using the internal DAC from given analog 3.5mm.

The price for iPod dock connector was crazy high, some branded it as "iTransport" or something, and many people were willingly pay for not using the 3.5mm, even ditching it altogether and go through all the troubles. Now Apple gives us the adapter for free with iPhone purchase. And it's funny that some people are not too happy that Apple removing the jack.

 

[LinusR]

That's not really a great comparison. Floppy disks no longer serve a purpose and nobody uses them anymore because they don't hold enough. But the headphone jack still serves a purpose, is used by many, and is superior to wireless in ways that continue to make it relevant.

Well, you're missing the point I'm afraid. Of course they aren't used anymore, because they were phased out and replaced by CD drives. But they were used at the time, and the outrage was huge when Apple announced they'd replace them. This is the analogy I was trying to outline.
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wow.

Thank you for proving our point.

this direction is a literally "**** you" to those of us who are not in that majority. it's exclusionary and it's effectively telling me "No, we do not want your money".

THIS is the point you clearly repetitively miss over and over again.

yes. we're glad you love your AirPods. They're great devices. none of us are saying otherwise. Bluetooth wireless is great to have a lot of the time.

BUT NOT 100% of the time. There are a lot of people, maybe not the majority, who have use for the 3.5mm jack. VERY VALID AND GOOD USES. and Apple essentially said "**** off". that is the behaviour you're defending.

for audio, Wireless and Wired co-habitate very well together when a device is trying to be the centre of your life like smart devices are. And maybe Apple's decisions have made us a minority now of Apple's client, because decisions like this tend to make some of us, who don't treat them like a religion, stop being their customers.

Apple is not a charity. They don't owe you anything. So if you're unhappy with their products, feel free to choose otherwise. There's plenty of competition out there to choose from.

PS: By the way, look around. All businesses are "exclusionary" because there is no business model that pleases everyone. Again: less entitled, more selective is the royal road.

 

[eVolcre]

Just realized I pooh poohed the idea of a portrait smart connector too easily. It doesn’t need to be a second one. They could just as easily create a new Smart Keyboard that covers half the back or the full back and that back part connects to the portrait smart connector. That’s the way to get a landscape keyboard.

Can be done.

 

[mrex]

37 pages of hysteria and righteous indignation over a rumor about something rectified with a tiny cable that is included in the box. Gotta love it.

37 pages and you still managed to skip all those posts about the tiny cable(s) and what it can do and what it cant... and just to be valid and loud without listenings others?