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As sucky as it seems (I don’t dissagree that to the minority it does suck) Apple have chosen to do somthing that excludes them and go more with the mainstream majority.

Apple generally adds features that cater only to a minority. Waterproofing, wireless charging, Apple Pay, Siri, Force Touch, rear cameras on iPads, Apple Music, Stocks, iBooks, heart rate detection, ... You could remove all of these and still target the mainstream majority. But they give the package much more general appeal.
 
Apple generally adds features that cater only to a minority. Waterproofing, wireless charging, Apple Pay, Siri, Force Touch, rear cameras on iPads, Apple Music, Stocks, iBooks, heart rate detection, ... You could remove all of these and still target the mainstream majority. But they give the package much more general appeal.

iPad rear camera use is a minority feature?
 
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It’s called moving forward. Yes there are people who still use it but there were still people who used the floppy drive when Steve Jobs removed that, or the DVD drive on Mac’s when that was removed. Apple aims for the masses, like I’ve said in another post you can’t please everyone.

By the way Apple are updating the Mac Pro, it’s a completely new design for and a 2019 thing. As for customer support I don’t know what company you’re talking about because I’ve always had excellent customer service with Apple. As for the MacBook Pro’s they just got a big update.
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Good luck with that other companies are following suit and also removing the headphone jack.

Doesn't seem to be the case. Samsung, Nokia, Oppo, Blackberry etc. don't seem to be removing them. Should be plenty of options for the next couple of years.
 
What can't it do?

That poster doesn’t know.

Some people just want to complain.

Most of these posts sound like Apple doesn’t offer a solution. They do, it’s an adapter.
Short of that they can keep buying old iPads or move to an android tablet.
 
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That poster doesn’t know.

Some people just want to complain.

Most of these posts sound like Apple doesn’t offer a solution. They do, it’s an adapter.
Short of that they can keep buying old iPads or move to an android tablet.
What was being referenced is that presently you can use the lightning connector for something else, such as vga out, and use the minijack for audio. Even with Belkin’s minijack adapter cable you can’t do both through the lightning port, as it only allows charging via the secondary lightning port.

i had an interesting conversation in the car yesterday with my sister, who brought up on her own how irritated she was that she now had to carry a dongle around with her for audio out from her phone (we were in an ancient car with a cassette adapter). She also hates the fact that Apple no longer produce a macbook with a cd drive, and has held off buying a new machine because of this. Her household currently has three macbooks, 3 iphones, 4 ipads, spread around her husband and kids. She said that they had pretty much determined they were going to move to windows and android over the next year because Apple no longer serves their needs.
 
why do you think they haven’t made a Surface competitor?

Most Apple users I know have a tablet and a MacBook... why wouldn't Apple make something that could replace both? Hmmm, let me think... :)

At least they have one good, solid, coherent argument against Surface-type machines: a good tablet/phone UI is not a good desktop/laptop UI. Its not just "gorilla arms" - the UI affordances of a pointer/keyboard and button are quite different to a multi-touch interface and demand different designs. If you've used Windows 10 you'll know that one of its annoyances is the overlapping mixture of "modern" Apps designed with touchscreens in mind and "classic" Apps designed for windows <=7. E.g. there are two "System Preferences.." panels with slightly different sets of functions. There was also a great wailing and pulling of beards in the Linux community when Gnome desktop went tablet-centric. When I tried a keyboard case on my iPad, my impression was that it ruined a great tablet for the sake of turning it into a lousy laptop. When I had a Surface Book for a while, the touchscreen/pen was irrelevant in laptop mode (It soon started locking up when the tablet section was ejected, so I didn't give that a fair trial).

If you think that Apple should just bung a touchscreen into the high-end MacBooks on the grounds that it is something that most competing 4k PC laptops have and that some people might find useful, then I wouldn't argue. However, Macs have never featured a touchscreen and iPads have never had mouse/trackpad support so its not like they're breaking anybody's workflow by not doing it.

However, you'd expect Apple to be the ones to think outside the box and come up with a "best of both worlds" solution - off the top of my head, how about a "convertible" where the tablet section was an iPad and the keyboard section was a Mac so you didn't need to carry two retina displays... Or, instead of the touch bar, how about replacing the entire trackpad with an iPad-type screen? And where's the integrated support for using an iPad & Pencil as a graphics tablet/secondary display/soft control panel for my Mac (yup, there are third party solutions, but they could be so much slicker if Apple baked them into the OS)?
 
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What was being referenced is that presently you can use the lightning connector for something else, such as vga out, and use the minijack for audio. Even with Belkin’s minijack adapter cable you can’t do both through the lightning port, as it only allows charging via the secondary lightning port.

i had an interesting conversation in the car yesterday with my sister, who brought up on her own how irritated she was that she now had to carry a dongle around with her for audio out from her phone (we were in an ancient car with a cassette adapter). She also hates the fact that Apple no longer produce a macbook with a cd drive, and has held off buying a new machine because of this. Her household currently has three macbooks, 3 iphones, 4 ipads, spread around her husband and kids. She said that they had pretty much determined they were going to move to windows and android over the next year because Apple no longer serves their needs.

I fail to see the relevance of your example.

I don’t know why everyone is acting as though a solution doesn’t exist.
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A MacBook with a cd drive?
Good luck with that.
 
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I fail to see the relevance of your example.

I don’t know why everyone is acting as though a solution doesn’t exist.
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A MacBook with a cd drive?
Good luck with that.
I had no idea such a product existed!!!

Thank you so much for recommending this!

Oh bugger - needs power in to work...?

And why the hell does it use a micro-USB cable to charge, and not lightning?!?
 
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Most Apple users I know have a tablet and a MacBook... why wouldn't Apple make something that could replace both? Hmmm, let me think... :)

Maybe Apple is just giving their customers what they want their customers?

I don’t want an all in one. I’m happy with a MacBook, an iPad, an iPhone, and an Apple Watch. They each serve their intended purpose.

Why should Apple alienate their customers to fit your needs?
 
I fail to see the relevance of your example.

I don’t know why everyone is acting as though a solution doesn’t exist.
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Could you give us a link to that? Nobody else has suggested this product, and it doesn’t exist on Mirascreen’s website.
 
I had no idea such a product existed!!!

Thank you so much for recommending this!

Oh bugger - needs power in to work...?

And why the hell does it use a micro-USB cable to charge, and not lightning?!?

Your welcome.

Yes It needs to be plugged in.
Micro usb is annoying.
 
iPad rear camera use is a minority feature?

Who needs a camera in their iPad when everybody already has a phone in their pocket (often with a better camera than the iPad) that is a far more convenient size and shapes to use for snapshots? iCloud makes it a doddle to have your photos appear on your iPad. The original iPad didn't have a camera, remember...

(Please take that as a rhetorical device rather than a serious argument for dropping the camera from the iPad...)
 
I would have been dissapointed if they didn’t remove the headphone jack. It’s time to move on and go wireless.
There is no proper wireless headphones on market yet.

I have not listened music with iPhone since i got iPhone 7. I lost the adapter on day one. Will not buy another one. Proper wireless audio is still years ahead to be good.
 
I don’t want an all in one. I’m happy with a MacBook, an iPad, an iPhone, and an Apple Watch. They each serve their intended purpose.

Why should Apple alienate their customers to fit your needs?

Not only did you not read my post properly (which went on to describe a reasoned argument against all-in-ones), you apparently didn't even read your own - unless you really don't see a problem with "I don't personally want an all-in-one so anybody else who does is being selfish" as an argument.
 
Your welcome.

Yes It needs to be plugged in.
Micro usb is annoying.

That kinda defeats the whole point.

Still, a nice find, and hoping that Apple can come up with something like that which works without needing an external power source.
 
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Not only did you not read my post properly (which went on to describe a reasoned argument against all-in-ones), you apparently didn't even read your own - unless you really don't see a problem with "I don't personally want an all-in-one so anybody else who does is being selfish" as an argument.
I quoted as much as I read.

It’s not an argument, but the reality.

Apple is catering to consumers who don’t want an all in, those customers are happy, Apple knows this because of...you guessed, it sales.

Can Apple make an all in one by compromising each ones given utility? sure, but why should they When those same consumers asking for one are the first to complain about price.

Just doesn’t make any sense, for Apple.
 
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Thanks. Unfortunately, looking at the reviews many say it doesn’t work at all. It also is incompatible with the iPhone X, not clear why, but if it’s not able to be used with the iPhone X I wonder if it will be compatible with a new iPad Pro.

Not really a large market for them.
Won’t output anything beyond 1080p, ipjone c outputs, hdr and 4K.
 
That kinda defeats the whole point.

Still, a nice find, and hoping that Apple can come up with something like that which works without needing an external power source.

Don’t think Apple is going to invest into vga, going forward.

It’s much easier to just use a non-4K Apple TV

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You could always try connecting the Kanex vga adapter it to Apple lightning to hdmi connector.

It might work.
 
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Most Apple users I know have a tablet and a MacBook... why wouldn't Apple make something that could replace both? Hmmm, let me think... :)

At least they have one good, solid, coherent argument against Surface-type machines: a good tablet/phone UI is not a good desktop/laptop UI. Its not just "gorilla arms" - the UI affordances of a pointer/keyboard and button are quite different to a multi-touch interface and demand different designs. If you've used Windows 10 you'll know that one of its annoyances is the overlapping mixture of "modern" Apps designed with touchscreens in mind and "classic" Apps designed for windows <=7. E.g. there are two "System Preferences.." panels with slightly different sets of functions. There was also a great wailing and pulling of beards in the Linux community when Gnome desktop went tablet-centric. When I tried a keyboard case on my iPad, my impression was that it ruined a great tablet for the sake of turning it into a lousy laptop. When I had a Surface Book for a while, the touchscreen/pen was irrelevant in laptop mode (It soon started locking up when the tablet section was ejected, so I didn't give that a fair trial).

If you think that Apple should just bung a touchscreen into the high-end MacBooks on the grounds that it is something that most competing 4k PC laptops have and that some people might find useful, then I wouldn't argue. However, Macs have never featured a touchscreen and iPads have never had mouse/trackpad support so its not like they're breaking anybody's workflow by not doing it.

However, you'd expect Apple to be the ones to think outside the box and come up with a "best of both worlds" solution - off the top of my head, how about a "convertible" where the tablet section was an iPad and the keyboard section was a Mac so you didn't need to carry two retina displays... Or, instead of the touch bar, how about replacing the entire trackpad with an iPad-type screen? And where's the integrated support for using an iPad & Pencil as a graphics tablet/secondary display/soft control panel for my Mac (yup, there are third party solutions, but they could be so much slicker if Apple baked them into the OS)?

I currently have a 2011 MacBook Pro that is in need of upgrading VERY soon (this year in fact) and the only reason i won't buy a Surface Pro is because of Window's 10, now i can't speak from experience because i switched to Mac in 2011 (when i got my MacBook Pro and then when i got my 2012 iMac to replace my desktop PC) so i don't have knowledge from experience on what Windows is like in more recent years.
I do have a friend who works in the public service sector (she works as a contingency officer who make plans for dealing with large scale emergencies) and her place of work kitted all the employees out with Surface Pro's, she told me that when it worked the Surface was a great machine that is good in certain ways, awful in others, she went on to say that the Surface is very temperamental and if it decided it didn't want to work then it was a nightmare. Eventually her employers replaced the entire teams Surface's with Thinkpads.

For me that speaks volumes and i just can't bring myself to buy one, i keep looking don't get me wrong and they are great looking piece of eye candy. I also love MacOS, you can call me a fanboy if you want but i think MacOS is the best OS out there, since switching to a Mac in 2011 i've had no issues with any of my Mac's, no crashes, no viruses (i know Mac's can get them) and best of all i don't have to do any maintenance, they just work! At the time of buying my 2011 MacBook Pro it cost £1,760 (or there about) which was a lot of money for me at the time but considering the laptop has seen me through university and into my first writing job i think it was worth every penny i spent.

As for the iPad Pro it's a great device that i love to use for drawing, taking hand written notes, colouring in apps and using apps like Affinity Photo and Pixelmator (as my hobby) BUT imagine if Apple made a device that was similar to the Surface with MacOS, i could replace my iPad Pro AND MacBook Pro with it, on top of that i would be able to do everything on one device, i could still do my work as a writer, i could also edit video, use Affinity Photo and Pixelmator all on the one device that could be carried around! It would not only have MacOS but also the App store which has a great selection of apps.

It's ironic because i use to be against the idea of a Surface device, but now i really do see the value in it. It's just a shame Apple are against these type of devices.
 
Don’t think Apple is going to invest into vga, going forward.

It’s much easier to just use a non-4K Apple TV

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You could always try connecting the Kanex vga adapter it to Apple lightning to hdmi connector.

It might work.
Does that even work...?

Anyways, I do use Apple TVs in my classrooms (2 of them, in fact, paid out of my own pocket). Just that this doesn't cover the other rooms I have to project out that don't sport said technology.
 
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