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Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models
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Somebody must be using them because Apple keeps stuffing as much as they can into the iPad cameras.
See a lot of tourists taking pics with iPads.
Pretty much my experience with the Surface Book that I bought when the 2016 MBPs failed to float my boat - if it had worked reliably it would have been exactly what I needed at the time, in many ways, enough to offset the inconveniences of Windows. However, it suffered the well documented and unfixed "sleep of death" within a month - so it was back to fingers crossed that my 2011 MBP didn't suffer a second GPU failure (its actually still going strong...).
Its worrying when Apple's "superiority" is dependent on the competition fouling up - its not as if Apple are immune to foul-ups (see above-mentioned GPU issue, 2016 MBP keyboards etc.) and it may be "luck of the draw" that I only got 1 dead GPU after 4 years of use vs. MS "Sleep of death" after a couple of weeks.
I wouldn’t buy another windows machine again. I spent years being frustrated with them. The hardware always fails and the software is always buggy. You always get one error message or another and are constantly trouble shooting things. They slow down a lot over time and get to that point where they take 10 minutes to boot up.
I got a MBA in 2014 and I’ve loved Mac OS. I’ve had zero issues with it. It still runs just as well as it did on the day I bought it.
I’m looking to upgrade my MBA in the next month or so. I’m looking at either the pixel book or the 2018 MBP 13 inch. I might be able to use the pixel book in combination with my MBA but I’m thinking I might as well just spend more and get the MBP as it can do far more.
We aren't talking about your current iPad. The discussion is about iPads which have to be held in front of your face vertically for faceid, and which have no headphone jack. That sort of iPad is much less appealing for many current iPad users.
If it wasn't for that very reason along with Windows 10 i would of jumped ship and be using a Surface Pro by now. Apple still has the advantage of MacOS and they do make great hardware even with the mess ups they make from time to time.
a tiny adapter included in the package as the poster said it is like a solution (lightning to headphone jack) but it is useless if you cannot charge your ipad at the same time. at the moment im using my wired headphones and charging my ipad. and quess what, there are no adapters anywhere! if i was using that tiny adapter provided by apple now, how could i charge the ipad when connected to headphones? or is their a magical unicorn pooping a magic juice for the battery? that was already discussed several posts ago, but some people are just too lazy to do anything by themselves...
there were also discussed about the other alternatives having a headphone jack and the charging port provided by the 3rd party - not apple itself. and the dongle i already have from apple, has for example a charging port which is working only ”to charge the device” and the charging works only one direction - not both. for example if im using it with my ipad, i could charge the ipad but i can not charge the pencil via that port. so if i use that dongle with my ipad i need to find another way to charge the pencil at the same time.
then lets do not forget the fact that it is quite hard already to find a decent dongles which work with apple devices without problem and without needing to buy differend dongles for differend apple devices. one is usb one is lightning one works only with ipad, one only with x generation iphone and one...
as i already said earlier everyone should prepare themselves to buy a man bag to carry all dongles with their apple devices... today you just leave and go, tomorrow you leave with your man bag and go. i quess the soya latte taste better when you have a dongle for it.
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A whole lot of us have had the "courage" to switch, and have. It doesn't mean we're happy with it, and other than leaving Apple with our purchases, "whining" is the only other available outlet to voice discontent with Apple's current directions in hardware.
Even the iPad Mini has enough space to fit a few more 3,5mm jacks... Removing that solely for the purpose of removing would be single most stupid thing right after going USB-C only on the Macbook. Can a company be more ignorant to customer demands than that?
Tim: Hold my beer!
Tim: Hold my beer!
How do you know that the "majority" of people use wireless headphones? I have not seen a definitive survey on that. That fact that this thread has over 1000 posts seems to indicate that a LOT of people still use and prefer wired headphones, or at least want that option. As I and others have repeatedly said, YOUR ABILITY TO USE BLUETOOTH WAS NEVER HAMPERED BY INCLUSION OF THE HEADPHONE JACK; OUR ABILITY TO USE WIRED HEADPHONES WITH APPLE PRODUCTS HAS BEEN REMOVED. The same can be said for removal of various ports and SD card slots. You can leave those on a "pro" machine while adding USB C. They didn't need to be removed while non USB C interfaces and associated devices are still highly prevalent. Dongles aren't a solution; they are inelegant bandaids for poor design decisions.
I'd be willing to bet that many more people want the phone jack than care about the rear camera on the iPad. Why don't they just remove that camera and leave the phone jack? The respective weights of the two components are probably about the same, and removal of that camera would not matter to the "majority" of iPad users. Or better yet, just leave both components on the device and make everyone happy.
Because the two aren't even related.
As I have postulated a couple of times, I suspect the headphone jack might be on the chopping board to enable a bezel less design, ala the iPhone X (which does away with the jack so the oled screen can be folded in without obstruction). It's no coincidence that iOS 12 revises the UI and multitasking gestures of the iPad to make them more like those on the iPhone X.
The camera in no way gets in the way of this happening. If anything, I would like to have the iPad Pro get dual cameras as well. It's not about cost (because if a headphone jack adapter were to be bundled, that more than cancels out any cost savings Apple may have enjoyed from leaving out the headphone jack).
Do you use the camera on the iPad to take pics?
I was thinking about wether I use the camera on my iPad and I use it to scan documents. I use it on vacation to take panorama shots as you can fit a lot more in the frame.
Not sure if it’s the majority but there are loads of airpods around. I ordered lunch from Uber eats today and the delivery guy was using airpods.
I must say that I would love that bluetooth headphones, buds and EarPods would be nice if they could get rid of the latency. In a recording studio environment, the latency added with sound cards has been improved immensely. Get rid of the latency on wireless, then get rid of the jack.
Yes, I'm sure there are many more airpods out there than there would have been if the phone still had the headphone jack. If you still buy iPhones and want to have sound, you must now buy some sort of wireless headphone. That, in my opinion, is the main reason Apple removed the jack - to force Apple device users to buy (hopefully)more Apple wireless headphones. In that regard, it was a successful marketing strategy.
I've already said many time in this thread that although I personally don't care about the headphone jack I don't know why apple removed it.
So much fallacious reasoning, so little time...
(a) We're talking about the (hypothetical, but highly plausible in light of other recent Apple form-over-function decisions) removal of the jack from the iPad, not the iPhone. More specifically, the iPad Pro, which is promoted as a laptop alternative to users who want to do a bit more than watch Celebrity Love Island on the train. Do you think Apple would still be actively developing GarageBand or iMovie for iOS if nobody used them? Yet people have pointed out here time and time again that the lag on all wireless headphones makes them useless for such things.
(b) Just because you see people using AirPods on the train doesn't mean that they never use the jack. I'd wager that a lot of 3.5mm-supporters here also have wireless headphones for when they want tunes while walking around. OK, maybe we've got a few golden-eared audiophiles here who think they can tell the difference between analog and digital while listening to a MP3 on a train, but most of the reasoned criticism has been about lag, the inability to charge without a dongle or the ability to use other Lightning devices at the same time. Not usually an issue on the commute home.
(c) Maybe if it keeps being said it will eventually penetrate: Having a 3.5mm Jack doesn't stop you using Bluetooth headphones. There's no reason to believe that Airpods wouldn't have been a huge success even if the iP7 had included an audio jack. Personally, I owned bluetooth headphones before the Airpods or iP7 existed (my current pair work as wired headphones too). They're good for what they're good at - but sometimes you need the wire.
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On another note:
https://www.apple.com/mac/
Oooh, look, wired headphones! (OK, its about Mac, but if they come for the iPad jack today...)
The thing is, at this point we’ve all very much had our say. I’m afraid I don’t consider myself a “troll”, as I associate that sort of behaviour with people who are responding simply to get a rise out of someone, and that’s clearly not been the case with anyone here - there have been some who haven’t read previous posts, and thus annoyed those who have followed the whole thread, but generally the posts have been constructive.
Like many, I am frustrated that a company with whom I have a lot of faith and a long history, who have for a long time been the natural home for musicians (ironically, given Job’s original “no music” guarantee to the Beatles), seem to no longer be providing for the profession. All the more frustrating given that they bought Logic and made it a Mac-only product. I’m not yet at the point where I am going to eschew the Apple stable, but like Atari in the early 90s, I’m watching my colleagues do so (at that point moving to Apple becuase of the compatibility of the 68000 series chips), I can see the writing on the wall, and it saddens me.
I accept entirely that Apple is likely to continue to be a very successful company without me when I do eventually jump ship, and that they don’t owe me anything. That said, when they have a captive market in the professional music space, and it wouldn’t take them that much to hang onto it, I really don’t see why they wouldn’t.
Like many, I am frustrated that a company with whom I have a lot of faith and a long history, who have for a long time been the natural home for musicians (ironically, given Job’s original “no music” guarantee to the Beatles), seem to no longer be providing for the profession. All the more frustrating given that they bought Logic and made it a Mac-only product. I’m not yet at the point where I am going to eschew the Apple stable, but like Atari in the early 90s, I’m watching my colleagues do so (at that point moving to Apple becuase of the compatibility of the 68000 series chips), I can see the writing on the wall, and it saddens me.
I accept entirely that Apple is likely to continue to be a very successful company without me when I do eventually jump ship, and that they don’t owe me anything. That said, when they have a captive market in the professional music space, and it wouldn’t take them that much to hang onto it, I really don’t see why they wouldn’t.
I think we should just leave it there because it’s only going to go backwards and forwards forever. Let’s wait and see what Apple do, we can agree to disagree in a civil manner. I guess we will find out in September, Apple obviously have their reasons to do what they will and what they have done in the past, I can only say my opinion just like you can, other than that I can’t even begin to talk for Apple themselves they are a very successful company that have their reasons, that’s all I can say at this point without going backwards and forwards.
Regarding the AirPods, I’m in Iondon and it’s everywhere, AirPods have become the new iPods.
Apple just needs to release them in a couple of different colors.
All the time. Not to mention dual cameras should help with the AR functionality Apple seems to be pushing so hard.