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Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models
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So now all our decisions are based according to whatever the majority of people feels it's best? Well, I should start smoking, doing drugs, drinking, raping and killing, too? A lot of people do all these, despite all evidences that stated (for example) since the start that smoking was/is bad for the health (and I could say the same about being flooded with wireless... or screen addiction, something even Apple recognizes).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
After all it's the numbers that count, not the facts, it doesn't matter if there are legit reasons, we should do whatever we feel it's best and, of course, follow the sheeple.
Some of you also seem to have a very poor idea how many things start to be widely accepted. They are always imposed and polls are faked to further some agenda.
Wireless headphones may be widely used these days, but that doesn't mean they surpass the wired versions in everything. It doesn't even mean they are good.
The fact something is better is in most cases never important. What would you call someone that thinks MP3 is enough and that FLAC/lossless versions are not necessary?
There are many different reasons why a headphone model can be considered better.
You have comfort, controls, breathability (how hot your headphones will get when wearing them for a while), portability, build quality, stability...
In terms of sound quality: how accurately the audio is reproduced: bass, mid, treble, soundstage...
Then you have noise isolation, sound leakage, microphone quality... battery life (which in the case of the Airpods I never made them last the promised 5 hours without recharging)...
Both wired and wireless have pros and cons. So what's the benefit in removing the headphone jack? It's Apple trying to force people into buying their overpriced models.
It doesn't matter if I have good reasons to not want a wireless version, they are forcing me into buying one, or use an adapter that is inconvenient. This is Apple in a nutshell: f. the users, let's remove more and more options and keep asking for tons of money, these i.diots will end up buying anyway.
Good luck with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
After all it's the numbers that count, not the facts, it doesn't matter if there are legit reasons, we should do whatever we feel it's best and, of course, follow the sheeple.
Some of you also seem to have a very poor idea how many things start to be widely accepted. They are always imposed and polls are faked to further some agenda.
Wireless headphones may be widely used these days, but that doesn't mean they surpass the wired versions in everything. It doesn't even mean they are good.
The fact something is better is in most cases never important. What would you call someone that thinks MP3 is enough and that FLAC/lossless versions are not necessary?
There are many different reasons why a headphone model can be considered better.
You have comfort, controls, breathability (how hot your headphones will get when wearing them for a while), portability, build quality, stability...
In terms of sound quality: how accurately the audio is reproduced: bass, mid, treble, soundstage...
Then you have noise isolation, sound leakage, microphone quality... battery life (which in the case of the Airpods I never made them last the promised 5 hours without recharging)...
Both wired and wireless have pros and cons. So what's the benefit in removing the headphone jack? It's Apple trying to force people into buying their overpriced models.
It doesn't matter if I have good reasons to not want a wireless version, they are forcing me into buying one, or use an adapter that is inconvenient. This is Apple in a nutshell: f. the users, let's remove more and more options and keep asking for tons of money, these i.diots will end up buying anyway.
Good luck with that.
Uh Microsoft.
They even had a funeral for the iPhone. It was embarrassing then, ironic now.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-celebrates-windows-phone-7-with-mock-iphone-funeral/
Not sure what you mean.... I was also talking about future iPads wth no headphone jack, being less appealing.
Well crap, I’ve been turning it to unlock the few times I’ve had it in landscape. Learn something new every day...
or maybe they shoudnt try to get another 0,3mm away and keep the jack?
that is not enough, you actually have to buy a dongle having a headphone jack and the charger port too, like RevTEG said (and apprently you also many post above). so the headphone jack adapter is actually quite a useless adapter without power input. otherwise you cant attach both as you can do now. does it work both way? the one i have from apple for my macbook it doesnt work both ways. can you plug your pencil to the belkin or is it only for charging the ipad?
i start feeling that next time i need another travel bag for dongles and dingles when leaving at house... maybe i need to buy that terrible ”man bag” to be able to use apple devices outside my desk
that seems to be a solutuon for everything nowadays with apple. rather than making functional devices, they consentrate how to make things thinner and apparently ”hotter” too. the worst part is that they make decisions and they dont have their own dingledongles to replace which they just removed but you need to rely on third party solutions which may work or not.
It’s 2018 and you still don’t have a “man bag” and nice Tumi or such bag for your dongles yet?
For some reason—and I have no idea why—Apple to this day somehow can’t make AirPods fast enough to meet demand. Cook said it again on the call today.
If they ever fix their production issue, maybe they’ll be able to handle the demand that having new colors would bring. I really can’t imagine what the limiting factor is When it comes to cranking them out, but they’re leaving money on the table.
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I think they are just more difficult to manufacture.
The current market does not offert an alternative. Sure there are knockoffs, but they don’t really compare.
The AirPods really are mirroring the IPod adoption rate. Everyone wants one and with the lack of any alternative product or real competition, Apple owns the market.
Ok, more difficult. But more difficult how? They can’t find enough workers to assemble the parts? They can’t make enough parts? Is this a Foxconn problem or an Apple problem? Can’t make enough? Aren’t ordering enough? Difficulty sourcing a certain component?
Seems like something that could be fixed, after a year and a half. I really don’t get it. Is it really that complicated?
The first year the lead times were rather long, it’s like they kept adding capacity but never enough. We need 3 million so we’ll make 2. We need 6, ok here’s the 4 you needed. Make me 10 million, ok here’s the 8 you asked for. Hello, McFly! [knock, knock, knock] I need 15 million, No problem, here’s your 12 million, just like you wanted. After 20 months it makes me want to scream
Mr. Cook apparently has more patience than I lol.
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Ok, more difficult. But more difficult how? They can’t find enough workers to assemble the parts? They can’t make enough parts? Is this a Foxconn problem or an Apple problem? Can’t make enough? Aren’t ordering enough? Difficulty sourcing a certain component?
Seems like something that could be fixed, after a year and a half. I really don’t get it. Is it really that complicated?
The first year the lead times were rather long, it’s like they kept adding capacity but never enough. We need 3 million so we’ll make 2. We need 6, ok here’s the 4 you needed. Make me 10 million, ok here’s the 8 you asked for. Hello, McFly! [knock, knock, knock] I need 15 million, ok here’s your 12 million, just like you wanted. After 20 months it makes me want to scream
Mr. Cook apparently has more patience than I lol.
Demand is insane and it’s not abating just like iPods.
But the difficulties lie in manufacturing to scale to meet those demands
“More difficult to manufacture at scale than expected” is also what I’ve heard through the grapevine, from a little birdie who knows someone on the AirPods engineering team. Things like what happens when you lose one or the battery dies — Apple solved those problems during development.”
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2016/12/09/airpods-delay
That article is coming up on two years old, before they released. Have they gained no expertise in the last 20 months? Can they not forecast demand? They can make 225 million iPhones a year but not 25 million airpods?
I get it. It’s hard. But how many years to fix the problem? It’s not rocket science. Either there aren’t enough parts or they can’t put them together.
To just say, “it’s hard” is a cop-out. We know it’s hard. Now go fix the problem.
Then somebody should tell Apple to shutter their Garage Band and iMovie development for iOS since nobody is using it, much less promoting those apps via ads. That’s an awful lot of wasted money for software which relies on wired headphones for proper functionality and only the minority of customers use. If you’re correct, then Apple has clearly dropped the ball on “thinking about the pros and cons”.
Yes thank you for pointing that out. At least I’m not the only one who sees this inconsistency with the anecdotal “minority users” argument here.
I don’t think it is any more complicated than the ubiquity of 3.5mm jack-less iPhones that are driving AirPod sales. How many people are there that are buying AirPods who DON’T own a jack-less iPhone?
AirPods are what I have been waiting for since the the very first Bluetooth headsets in the early 2000s, hassle free pairing, minimal design, and the battery case was just gravy.
I use them with my iPad and my MacBook even thought they come with 3.5mm jacks.
Had Apple offered AirPods with the 5s I would have used them and eschewed the 3.5mm jack found in the 5s, 6, and 6s.
And I’m far from alone.
I don’t see any reason to be afraid, this is a rumor.
Why assume Apple doesn’t know about Bluetooth lag?
They know about it. They just don't care, as most of their current customer base also doesn't care. They no longer aim for the professional user, folks who demand performance over presentation, and who really do need the best in sound production software functionality, no bluetooth lag, no throttling, etc. Most of their current customer base couldn't care less about Macs, either. That is the way it is, and those unhappy with it must find alternatives to Apple. The silver lining is that PC and Android alternatives are becoming very competitive alternatives. Apple's foregoing the professional market is creating a vacuum which will bolster the competition.
No, I fully comprehended your analogy. I merely disagree with its premise. The headphone jack has not met any real competition. Sure, there's Bluetooth, but it has some shortcomings, which is why some people (myself included) still prefer wired headphones.
With wired headphones
1) You don't have to worry about running out of power
2) You don't have to deal with interference from other wireless devices
3. You can have better audio than wireless could ever deliver
4. You can save money on headphones by not needing to have a built-in DAC
4b. You can choose your own DAC instead of having to use one that's built into your headphones
5) You can be sure that your headphones are connected and thus avoid potentially embarrassing situations where you think the headphones are connected, but they aren't and your music starts playing though the speakers
Some folks are happy with wireless headphones and others just aren't. I'm in the latter camp due to issues of reliability and audio quality. I want good headphones without feeling like I'm being gouged, and I want to be sure that my headphones will work until they finally break.
Indeed, it’s a matter of choice. Wired/wireless, Apple has left wired folks with no alternatives other than to go bluetooth with their hardware, or move on from Apple. Courage, I suppose ... you summarized the wired argument quite succinctly.
Sigh ... here we go again with the, "Specs are everything!"
I don't need an iPad Pro to watch Netflix and check my Twitter feed while on the couch or toilet.
Furthermore, a lot of people, like myself, will never use a tablet as a PC replacement for at least another decade. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket and consume all of my media outside of Apple's walled garden on a low budget, purpose built device using hardware agnostic software such as the case with Amazon's and Google's offerings.
Move on to where? Apple has the bargain power of which goes in and out off a smartphone. Remember 64bit SoC, then TouchID? Then there's the notch, you may hated it, now every Chinese OEM basically put it in as "high end feature". Even AAPL goes off $200 mark because of that notch.
The 3.5mm jack is digging into its own grave when Apple announced the iPhone 7/7+. Not gone instantly but I have a huch, in the next 2 - 3 years, no new phones from any brands would have a headphone jack, except maybe a few low ends which barely usable.
Wired can produce better sound. But a digital connection is my preference. IF it means I have to carry around Lightning or USB-C wired headphone, I'll do that instead. For the meantime, I enjoy my Beats X headset despite all the drawbacks mentioned.
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Wired ones are health-risk as wellSo the reason not everyone is embracing wireless is because they all want to live in the past?
I thought it was because wired headphones are better and being flooded with radiation can impair your health....
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/airpods-and-headache-ear-pain.2022765/
https://sites.google.com/site/understandingemfs/
Or rather, Apple could simply be keeping with the times by redefining what it means to be a “professional”.
Not the so called Air Tube versions (even though many of them fail in terms of sound quality, and have durability issues).
BTW Samsung announced new tablets (such as the Tab S4) and as far as I know they have a headphone jack. I guess only Apple feels it's "time to move forward".
If convenience is what matters most then why the Apple Pencil needs to be paired and recharged (it uses bluetooth) and the S-Pen do not?
Still... would you get rid of the Pencil only based on that? In the official video from the S4 we can see this pen with a terrible lag.
Apple is trying to sell their products no matter what, I don't see a problem with this, just don't say it's "courage" to remove the headphone jack and insult our intelligence. Simply admit you are doing this change for profit, not because wireless headphones are all better and the wired versions suck and should be abandoned.
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Jeeeez, I’m just talking wired & wireless. Did you feel insulted or something