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Apple Said to Have Made 'Serious Bid' of ~$240 Per Share to Acquire Tesla Around 2013
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If Apple really wants an environmentally friendly car, then the current battery cars are an environmental crime.
Apple might have the power to give a whole new boost to the timid attempts to create a hydrogen/oxygen car (exhaust is water).
BMW had once built such cars. They drove well.
BMW burned the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
Sun > Hydrogen > Fun > Water
Apple might have the power to give a whole new boost to the timid attempts to create a hydrogen/oxygen car (exhaust is water).
BMW had once built such cars. They drove well.
BMW burned the hydrogen in an internal combustion engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
Sun > Hydrogen > Fun > Water
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This right here should shut doubters up!!! People who actually OWN the cars are happy! I haven't come across any owner complaining about the car! Some of the people betting against Tesla drive Teslas. I can't wait until I buy one too! I honestly wouldn't mind Apple takeover
If Apple buys a car company (and its a big IF), then they should buy VW.
Yeah, no. Anyone can make an electric drivetrain if they wished. There's no unique or proprietary technology in a Tesla. Motors, controllers and batteries are basically commodity items now.
The problem with existing manufacturers is they don't have an electric platform. And since they're big on platforms (that they can use for several years and multiple models), it limits them for electric vehicles since an electric vehicle requires a substantially different base platform compared to a gas/hybrid vehicle. Once the major automakers go all-in on electric (which looks to be fairly soon) they'll stomp on Tesla. BTW, I also work in the automotive industry (engineering). When I see a Tesla I don't see anything revolutionary or unique. I see a muscle car that's really fast in a straight line with interior build quality/features that are years behind everyone else.
As for Musk, they should never let him dictate how Tesla is run. A perfect example are the Falcon Wings doors on the Model X. They are ridiculously expensive, complex, and have poor reliability. And they don't solve any problems people were clamoring to be solved. All that money into a useless feature (that happens to look cool/futuristic). And for what benefits? Oh look, we can park 12" from another car and still get out. Uh, how do the people in the front (like the driver) get out if you're parked 12" from another car? Oops. Or the other benefit they claim - easy entry into the rear. Great, let's make these expensive doors that save people a couple seconds and make it slightly easier to get into the rear, then when they spend hours actually sitting inside the vehicle they can make do with ZERO creature comfort (like proper climate control). Again, what a ridiculous trade-off.
Or making cars with insane 0-60 times. Waste of money. An electric vehicle with a 7 second 0-60 will always be faster (and feel faster) than a gas vehicle with the same 0-60 time. Simply because there's lots of torque and instantaneous response to throttle inputs (and no waiting for a turbo to spool or a transmission to downshift). Tesla could have saved significant money on their vehicles by going for a more realistic 0-60 time (nobody was demanding super-fast 0-60 times). Motors, controllers, batteries, wiring - all of this could have been made smaller to handle the reduced current of a more reasonable acceleration goal.
Money from just these two idiotic features could have been put into features drivers can actually use. Like 360 degree all-round cameras, heads up display, CarPlay/Android Auto or an interior that doesn't feel so damn cheap.
Yeah, no. Anyone can make an electric drivetrain if they wished. There's no unique or proprietary technology in a Tesla. Motors, controllers and batteries are basically commodity items now.
The problem with existing manufacturers is they don't have an electric platform. And since they're big on platforms (that they can use for several years and multiple models), it limits them for electric vehicles since an electric vehicle requires a substantially different base platform compared to a gas/hybrid vehicle. Once the major automakers go all-in on electric (which looks to be fairly soon) they'll stomp on Tesla. BTW, I also work in the automotive industry (engineering). When I see a Tesla I don't see anything revolutionary or unique. I see a muscle car that's really fast in a straight line with interior build quality/features that are years behind everyone else.
As for Musk, they should never let him dictate how Tesla is run. A perfect example are the Falcon Wings doors on the Model X. They are ridiculously expensive, complex, and have poor reliability. And they don't solve any problems people were clamoring to be solved. All that money into a useless feature (that happens to look cool/futuristic). And for what benefits? Oh look, we can park 12" from another car and still get out. Uh, how do the people in the front (like the driver) get out if you're parked 12" from another car? Oops. Or the other benefit they claim - easy entry into the rear. Great, let's make these expensive doors that save people a couple seconds and make it slightly easier to get into the rear, then when they spend hours actually sitting inside the vehicle they can make do with ZERO creature comfort (like proper climate control). Again, what a ridiculous trade-off.
Or making cars with insane 0-60 times. Waste of money. An electric vehicle with a 7 second 0-60 will always be faster (and feel faster) than a gas vehicle with the same 0-60 time. Simply because there's lots of torque and instantaneous response to throttle inputs (and no waiting for a turbo to spool or a transmission to downshift). Tesla could have saved significant money on their vehicles by going for a more realistic 0-60 time (nobody was demanding super-fast 0-60 times). Motors, controllers, batteries, wiring - all of this could have been made smaller to handle the reduced current of a more reasonable acceleration goal.
Money from just these two idiotic features could have been put into features drivers can actually use. Like 360 degree all-round cameras, heads up display, CarPlay/Android Auto or an interior that doesn't feel so damn cheap.
Lots of people own iPhones and say they are the best. Yet people on MR constantly claim that the only reason people like them is because they're blind fanboys or stuck in the Apple reality distortion field.
Bla bla bla..... Meanwhille the industry you work in has not been able to make a car that compares to a 2012 Model S.. People blab too much
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Right, it’s instant power, but it’s _limited_ power for only so long before you have to charge again. To me, nothing will ever replace the euphoria for internal combustion engines that satisfies me with a V-8 that my Mustang GT offers. (And soon to be a 6.2l Scat Pack added.)
limited power before you have to charge again? you mean like refueling a gas tank? 315 miles is plenty as my daily driver.
Had Apple made an Apple Car, the Series 3 would have be priced starting at $99,999 instead of $35,000.
The car would also come with a notch
But it would have been thinner.
No, limited power as you can only put out so much power when driving at higher rates of speed with EV’s. Where as a N.A V8, won’t continuously lose power as an electric vehicle would.
Brilliant logic. Your internal combustion engine is directly connected to a refinery?
i didn't say you'd suggest another EV from your first post. what i meant was that once I went electric, no gas car can suit my need for instant torque + silent operation. it's not that i have a "low bar" as you suggested, it's my personal preference of what I think a great car is nowadays.
i'm not into the pictures you posted. i'm not sure if i'd ever need 3 zone climate control. i rarely use the split climate control in the Model 3 as I mainly drive myself. and while many will reasonably argue for tactile controls while they drive, but personally I'm loving the simplicity of a touchscreen. i just swipe left on the AC button if i want it cooler, or swipe right if i want it hot. if i need more controls, i tap on the AC button and adjust anything i need to.
Good lord, educate yourself please!
Don't confusing driving with interior quality. It's totally fine if you're not a driving enthusiast like some of us, but those things are different.
Right, it’s instant power, but it’s _limited_ power for only so long before you have to charge again. To me, nothing will ever replace the euphoria for internal combustion engines that satisfies me with a V-8 that my Mustang GT offers. (And soon to be a 6.2l Scat Pack added.
My electric cars are charged every night in my garage. I can count on one hand the number of times I've used public chargers. Try that with a gas car.
I had a Z28 at one point so I'm a fan of power/speed, but electric power EASILY beats any gas car for me now. I honestly dont miss anything about it whatsoever, and the cherry on the top is I get ~120 MPG (equivalent) on top of that instant power at all speeds. Win-win. My EV is also quicker than your Mustang GT, even if my grandma was driving it.
Wait, you were the guy dismissing a comment on the Model 3 being the best car he's driven and you're comparing it with an X7--Basically a living room on wheels that drives like a brick? Interior quality != driving enjoyment!
Dude, Telsa has autopilot, internet streaming standard, adds safety features, automatic dashcam recording, and power increases OTA and you're talking about...climate control? LMAO!
[snip hilariously traditional interior filled with buttons everywhere]
Interior styling is obviously subjective but some of us don't find "rows and rows of buttons" to signal "expensive" and apparently you do. To me it just looks outdated, but I agree at least that the BMW interior materials are high quality. I own a BMW currently and it's my third.
It's worse than that. Gas cars simply can't be refueled in a private garage as you can't produce gas at home, but the same is trivial to do with an EV. (And no, a gas can doesn't count because you still have to take that somewhere to refuel it.)
There's always one person still going on about the boondoggle that is hydrogen cars. Here's a tip, storing power directly into a battery is ALWAYS going to be more efficient than converting the same to hydrogen and back. Physics is the law of the land here on Earth.
If they are such a commodity, why does the Audi E-Tron have a larger battery in a smaller car, yet get 1/3 less range than the Model X? I'm told they have all the money and would surely best Tesla. Why can't your X7 be updated OTA to add new features, and I don't mean map updates or media player stuff. I mean ACTUAL NEW FEATURES. Oh yeah, because BMW farms out all the electronics to third-parties like Bosch and further all those rows and rows of buttons you are impressed by also essential "lock" the car down to not able to be changed ever, much like an old flip phone.
Again, please educate yourself lest you make yourself look foolish and uniformed.
Sorry to be so aggressive but it's just obnoxious how people that have either never driven an electric car or know very little about them pop up everywhere saying all these false things over and over. And then add in the entire industry has signaled they are moving to EVs for so many reasons and it's just beyond belief. The whole situation reminds of naysayers on the original iphone. It's hard to believe now, but those people stuck around with their stubborn beliefs for years after it came out even though it was plain obvious to many how it was game changing. Now it's commonly proclaimed one of the most influential products of all-time.
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- $70k price tag
- less range than model 3
- no supercharger network
- less performance than the cheaper model 3 performance
- unknown commitment on future software updates
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i don't drive 120mph. this is a non-issue for me as i drive around 85-90mph when there's no traffic.
Musk being involved is a big deal breaker. I have nothing against Tesla or Musk really and wish the best but Musk is a terrible businessman. On the other hand if they bought Tesla Musk steps down and lets the execs at Apple run the show it could have been interesting. However the current Tesla is a dumpster fire and riddled with problems facing extinction.
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HAHAHA You actually made me laugh. Elon would run Apple straight into the ground. Tim would be a great leader for Tesla .
I urge you to read Sandy Munro's teardown of the i3, Bolt and Tesla motors. You can see some it on Autoweek's video or this link: https://evannex.com/blogs/news/taking-tesla-s-model-3-to-get-a-glimpse-of-the-future-of-automobiles
BMW created the i3 platform and i8 and they have sold pretty well, but nothing like Tesla.
People say that the majors will stomp Tesla when they go in on electric. It's been 10 yeas since the Roadster, 7 years since the Model S. I'm still waiting for them to get close.
The eTron from Audi is their first all electric car, but only gets 204 EPA miles from 95 kWh battery. It's pathetic efficiency. Also very slow, only 5.5 seconds in "Boost Mode". I would love an electric S-Class, but I don't think they are going to stomp Tesla within this model generation. It's so funny that that the germans who were know for great engineering, can't beat Tesla. Now the germans are only known for better interiors.
The same reason MB has AMG and BMW has M. Bigger profit margins for relatively little outlay. Especially for electric cars, the motors and additional electronics have very little cost increase. I had two AMG Mercedes and recently got a P100D. It cost an extra $40k for 1 second faster acceleration at the time in our AMG. The premium for a performance Tesla is actually much less and you get much more straight line speed.
If Apple had acquired Tesla the Model 3 would cost about $500,000 for the base version.
It would only work with Apple hardware and could not work with any other parts such as other supplier's wheels or after market parts.
It would not come with any Windows and each new car Model would be thinner and thinner to the point where the car is just a hair width.
Apple would ruin the car if they were in charge. Tim Cook is smoking something if he thinks Apple can make a car.
Apple should partner up instead of buying. Plans to build a car have been put on a shelf as far as I know though, can't imagine they're still interested in the whole company.
Actually, that's not true. Tesla owns lots of patents and their batteries are the best around
With what batteries? There is a reason why all other major manufacturers can't deliver EV cars on time and why Toyota is opting out of EV for now. As well, all other manufacturers are way.. way.. behind in the car software compared to Tesla.
They look cool, they are different and push the envelope. That model certainly makes people talk, either for or against the design of the doors.
If that's the case, then why do all manufacturers try to have the fastest 0-60? People like speed, those stats sell cars.
It has 360 cameras that were enabled with a new software path, same with security/sentry mode. I rode in an X, I thought the interior was quite nice, and that's from a Volvo XC60 owner.
Bla bla bla? That's all you could come up with?
What, being an automotive engineer isn't enough for you? Driving all the different Tesla vehicles for weeks and bringing them into a shop to see how they're built isn't enough for you?
Uh, I never said The X7 should be compared to a Model 3. I specifically compared it to a Model X - both SUV's in the luxury price segment. And the Model X is a complete POS compared to the X7.
I said "for one" since I didn't feel like making a long post describing everything the Model X is missing and the X7 has. Climate control is a big feature as it's what keeps occupants, you know, comfortable. That and the sheer stupidity of requiring someone in the FRONT to set the controls for passengers in the REAR.
Which BMW do you own? Surely if it's a later model the features it has should be obvious compared to any Tesla.
As an automotive engineer, I'm more than happy to hear your technical analysis (and debate them with you) of any Tesla model you wish. As opposed to linking to what someone else has said.