Perhaps you've missed where I've written "my 2012 rMBP" and "2008 Mac Pro"? I own more Apple devices (Macs, cell phones, and tablets) than I do non Apple devices. However I'm not an apologist for them. If you haven't figured it out my issue isn't with Apple but rather their unapologetic fanboys.
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Apple Says 2018 MacBook Pro Throttling is a Bug, Fix Available Now in New macOS Update
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Check revenues and profit? Apple destroys Microsoft and is more of a consumer product. Windows only sells a lot of licenses because enterprises use it, mostly because it's cheap and you can literally put any garbage you want on a Windows PC.
Let’s be clear they’ve patched the problem in relation to voltage meaning the CPU downclocks under its baseline.
If it gets hot, it will still throttle from speedstepping up under load, back to baseline.
This isn’t anything big as PC and Macs have to deal with this.
What is more worrying that this got past QA.
The cooling situation is something they still need to look at because if the machine does have to throttle due to heat it IS an engineering problem and the tasks you put on it won’t benefit for long enough from all that juicy extra speed WHEN the CPU needs to burst job.
Multiple things going on here folks!
If it gets hot, it will still throttle from speedstepping up under load, back to baseline.
This isn’t anything big as PC and Macs have to deal with this.
What is more worrying that this got past QA.
The cooling situation is something they still need to look at because if the machine does have to throttle due to heat it IS an engineering problem and the tasks you put on it won’t benefit for long enough from all that juicy extra speed WHEN the CPU needs to burst job.
Multiple things going on here folks!
Isn't this the same CPU in the Dell XPS 15? It had a fair deal of thermal throttle in that chassis (people addressed it by re pasting the CPU and applying thermal pads to some MOSFETs...not something you could do in the MBP)...I'm not saying Apple isn't better, just that the CPU itself is pretty beefy...The article suggested that "appropriate throttling" would still be a deal with this CPU in the MBP...the question is how much...I imagine the acceptance will be contentious among people here in the forums.
Correct, which is the goal in business. You do understand Apple's goal is not market share, but profit, correct? They are dominating.
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What's wrong with McDonalds? That is also an extremely well run company. I don't eat fast food, but that doesn't make the product bad. Consumers buy what they like.
That's one benefit but not the most applicable one. People use Windows because Windows has so much software for it and runs on such a variety of hardware.
My DSLR cameras use SD cards: SDHC, SDXC, UHS-I or UHS-II
That’s what is being used in Canon, Nikon or Olympus cameras for the last 10 years or so. I was looking at one of the new digital Blad’s but it’s a bit rich for my wallet. I still use my old reliable 500cm when I need film.
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You're overstating again. This was far from a "PR Disaster." Outside of this forum and a few others, I would venture to say no one even knew this was an issue or cared.
Again, it's very difficult to test every scenario and replicate every problem. You ever launch a product before? It's not easy, particularly on this scale. Apple fixed it quickly, so stop acting so high and mighty.
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Both of those products meet the expectations of their customers. Who said everyone enjoying a Bud is looking for the "best" or more "complex" beer?
I bet the lunch you had today was garbage compared to a 3 Michelin Star restaurant in NYC. Does that mean you're an idiot or that there is a time and place for everything?
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I addressed that in my second point of being able to run virtually anything on them.
Backup here! A shoot is at most a week or two at a location. You need to do some reading on film/video production.
As a shareholder, absolutely. I also quite enjoy their products and support, so I'm willing to pay whatever they charge.
So you wrote something which negated your own point?
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As a shareholder that's a great thing. As an non-shareholder, end user (which I will posit is the majority of Apple users) it's not such a good thing.
The irony nearly 35 years later, now its called a 'fan club'.
Hashtag Engineeringmatters!
Yes, they are dominating in profit. I don't care. I am not a business, I have other goals in life besides money. I am not Apple. I don't have Apple stock. I've never worked for them, and probably never will. Unless you have some way of personally benefiting from their wealth, you shouldn't either.
I'm sorry, but this is obvious enough that it should've been caught during QA. It would've been really embarrassing for Apple if they couldn't have fixed this in software. It makes me question whether I want to be an early adopter. One can save a lot of headache by waiting two weeks after a new product release. Not sure if I would be able to wait if I was too excited, though.
Currently own a mid-2012 MBP with two huge dents in it, a swelling battery, and when you jostle it, occasionally shuts down for no reason. In other words, it works great. Large file Photoshop user, not even kidding that I'm having a hard time plunking down the money for a new 15". Have no idea if this throttling will affect me, if the patch works, what kind of support Apple will offer down the road, and still have to spend hundreds more for new docks and dongles. Kind of want to get the 2.6 i7 but assume the entire 2018 lineup may have problems down the road. Not even taking a theoretical position, but for tax purposes have to make this purchase this year. How can you buy something that you will wonder will go down as "the ****ed up MBP". Totally demoralizing.
Bad quality food, even for the price. It's usually better to go hungry if McDonald's is your only option, plus you save a few bucks.
I've had positive experiences with Apple's support. They've replaced items (22" Cinema Display and video card) which were well out of warranty. My latest was their charging me for a battery replacement ($99) for my iPad which had begun to split because of a swollen battery ($250 charge). Of course it didn't hurt this was around the time of the flamin Galaxy Note fiasco.
In some ways Apple's support is top notch, others, not so much. I've been fortunate as they've been good to me.
Good point. I might go back and watch the Crashcourse series on Film production on youtube. Never did take any video production courses as an undergrad. Biology major here. Only used computers for scientific analysis, nothing creative at all.
The question isn't whether they're a well run company or not. The question is: Is their product better than everyone else (because of the quantity they sell)?
A company having a healthy profit margin enables them to engineer better products. So yes, that makes me happy. Companies that operate on an unhealthy margin, always losing money, get distracted by "how can we make this cheaper? how can we sell more?", and that's not good for a consumer in the long run.
The true cost is "cost of ownership", and Apple products are cheaper in that regard. It's proven.
But back on topic... has anyone tested the bug fix and are happy with it? I've been searching for comments indicating that.
Curious. Is your 2007 Gateway PC still supported by Gateway?
Pretty sure Windows revenue is higher than Mac revenue (edited: had the other way around before), but that's not even fair to MS. There's no good comparison of revenues between the two because Apple sells Macs bundled with a free OS, and MS sells Windows by itself. Maybe you can look at Mac vs Dell revenues... Dell wins there too. Acer probably also wins, and they're more consumer.
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