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I am on the thin and light bandwagon, I admit the moist I have pushed my a machine was handbraking a video files so I may have never hit the upper limits of performance. I just picked up my 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro and it felt like picking up a 36 inch CRT compared to the flat panel lightness of the the current MacBook Pro design. Maybe I am just getting old. lol.

I've moved those 36" CRT monsters. Sucks.
 
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..Yet they used input from said YouTuber to fix the issue. I never understand people who get mad at people who call out legitimate issues. If everyone just stayed silent nothing would get fixed.

EXACTLY. I applaud the YouTube tech reviewers who call this stuff out, as opposed to the ones that simply praise everything. Issues like this SHOULD be front page news until addressed. This particular YouTube video obviously caught the attention of Apple and they apparently worked with him as part of their troubleshooting process.
 
Plus the cooling on the tMBPs are much better than ones in those thick gaming laptops, honestly. If you take an MSI apart it's like looking into the first ever '90s laptop. They're just so lazy with space and thermal design. They throw more fans at it without any real appreciation how the heat will displace or flow.
Sorry but I hear this about every PC manufacturer about everything they make. They don't care about this and they don't care about that. All they do is throw parts together and push something out. That may be true in some instances and with some vendors. There are others where PC manufacturers do take into account these kinds of things. The fact they're not so much focused on thin at any cost doesn't mean they don't.
 
Fake news. MR forum all agrees thinness is the culprit,

/s

Lol, thinness is affecting the heat dissipation performance though on laptops. Meaning metal, or at least Aluminum, will need to be replaced in 2020 if the lithography doesn’t drop below 12nm.

How did they not notice this in testing?

This is the key!! Proper Quality control and testing to come up with their performance statements would’ve shown this before the product director to give his sign off.

This screams of Apple executives and higher up directors just showing up to count their dollars and days until their stock options mature!!

Somebody NEEDs to have their arse smacked to get back to work!

How about making the laptop thicker and with a better cooling system?

Maybe not thicker ... yet more vents that have freer flowing heat from bottom to top. The other option is to actually use other materials, magnesium is strong and heavily malleable so compressing it would give equal rigidly. Alternatively using other polymers or similar that may have some recyclable values.
 
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I'll wait and see how benchmarks and real world tests compare before and after. People were saying temps were reaching extremely high levels when the throttling kicked in, so it didn't appear to be a "bug", rather inadequate cooling design.

"People were saying" were 99% people who don't even own these machines.
 
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EXACTLY. I applaud the YouTube tech reviewers who call this stuff out, as opposed to the ones that simply praise everything. Issues like this SHOULD be front page news until addressed. This particular YouTube video obviously caught the attention of Apple and they apparently worked with him as part of their troubleshooting process.
Agreed. On the flip side there are those who faulted everyone but Apple (or denied a problem even existed). I am puzzled why people are so quick to make excuses for Apple.
 
all i can actually do is laugh about this... like Oh My Lort!

People sometimes..... they cracka me up.
 
Transcoding with Handbrake is a pretty heavy task which can benefit from a fast processor. I think it is a reasonable task with which to judge processing speed.

I agree. The last encode I did on the new machine was faster and a lot quieter compared to the top spec 2011( replaced hdd with ssd) I have. I guess it felt I did not real push it because the fans were quiet. Maybe next time for science I will monitor the cpu.
 
I am on the thin and light bandwagon, I admit the moist I have pushed my a machine was handbraking a video files so I may have never hit the upper limits of performance. I just picked up my 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro and it felt like picking up a 36 inch CRT compared to the flat panel lightness of the the current MacBook Pro design. Maybe I am just getting old. lol.
Yeah they look nice I have both 2011 and 2016. Look very nice and modern, I love the dark color its a testament to my professionalism.

but no mag safe, no target disk mode, no upgradable ssd, no dual ssd (swapped dvd drive), no diy ram upgrade, keyboard not serviceable, keyboard breaks from looking at it, annoying touchbar, aggressive down clocking for heat management....makes me look like a hipster in the end :(
 
Lol, thinness is affecting the heat dissipation performance though on laptops. Meaning metal, or at least Aluminum, will need to be replaced in 2020 if the lithography doesn’t drop below 12nm.
Apple will just sell a cooling pad which, like dongles and other things, you'll have to carry around with you. That way they'll be able to claim their laptops are thin and lightweight :)
 
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So in just two weeks Apple was able to come up with a fix for this problem? Why was this not tested internally and implemented from the start.
 
I agree. The last encode I did on the new machine was faster and a lot quieter compared to the top spec 2011( replaced hdd with ssd) I have. I guess it felt I did not real push it because the fans were quiet. Maybe next time for science I will monitor the cpu.
That's odd. When I've performed transcoding on my 2012 rMBP the fans noticeably speed up. But it maintains at least its base clock speed.
 
What will speak volumes is how far less posts we will see on this thread as compared to the original report about the issue to start with (now sitting at 1573 posts and 63 pages long). People love to hate, complain, and bash on Apple. But when they do something right in a very timely manner the masses are silent. Crickets. I am guessing too that the majority who do comment here will most likely still moan about something... Isn't there enough already wrong in the world? I commend Apple for publicly addressing this, and with rapid resolve!
 
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Transcoding with Handbrake is a pretty heavy task which can benefit from a fast processor. I think it is a reasonable task with which to judge processing speed.
Yes, also it parallelizes well usually, unless you end up being I/O-bound reading/writing the video files, which you won't on the fast new SSDs.
 
"People were saying" were 99% people who don't even own these machines.
So it's OK for Apple to release a broken system as long as 99% of the people don't own one? What about the people who were considering one? Do they count?
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What will speak volumes is how far less posts we will see on this thread as compared to the original report about the issue to start with (now sitting at 1573 posts and 63 pages long). People love to hate, complain, and bash on Apple. But when they do something right in a very timely manner the masses are silent. Crickets...
No, what people are doing is pointing out a legitimate issue with an Apple product. They should be faulted. Those who should be faulted are those who make excuses for Apple despite the obvious problem.
 
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I don't care what kind of processor we're talking about - in the past, you never saw issues like this with MacBooks straight out of the gate. Issues came to light later (like the defective 8600 series GPUs) and were resolved, but at least at the outset we got machines that actually worked.
 
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Got the update even though I have a humble i7 2.2Ghz. I don't know if I will notice anything, but glad that Apple has responded quickly to this issue. Hope this makes the i9 a worthy upgrade for the folks who need one!
 
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Apple doesn't care to listen to it's consumers. I wouldn't bother with them doing ANYTHING practical.
What's practical about carrying around a thicker, heavier machine that makes more noise just to have it perform slightly better (by being able to Turbo Boost longer)? Assuming the problem with the i9 isn't inadequate cooling.
 
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Jesus. How about some logic for you. Which is more likely to dissipate heat. A large heatsink with fins or a small thin flat thing?

Errrm it was a joke, look at my post and i’m sure you’ll see that i was being sarcastic.
 
Yes, also it parallelizes well usually, unless you end up being I/O-bound reading/writing the video files, which you won't on the fast new SSDs.
I have a 32 thread (dual 8-core w/hyperthreading) Z620 and Handbrake cannot utilize them all. I ran the same transcode on the same system with 24 threads (dual 6-core w/hyperthreading) and it was able to utilize all threads. So it starts to fall off somewhere after 24 thread (both systems completed the job in the same time).
 
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