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What's practical about carrying around a thicker, heavier machine that makes more noise just to have it perform slightly better? Assuming the problem with the i9 isn't inadequate cooling.
I can't speak to the OP you're responding to but thicker chassis mean one can more easily create systems with upgradeable hardware. It's not all about the cooling.
 
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Look at the temperatures of these chips in comparative Alienware or MSI gaming laptops which are 4 inches thick. These chips run hot as hell the moment you put them under load. They're going to run hot when stressed no matter what you do unless you're using your laptop in a freezer. No amount of air cooling will keep them under 80C at peak.

Plus the cooling on the tMBPs are much better than ones in those thick gaming laptops, honestly. If you take an MSI apart it's like looking into the first ever '90s laptop. They're just so lazy with space and thermal design. They throw more fans at it without any real appreciation how the heat will displace or flow.

I agree! There's a happy medium between the two extremes! We don't need a fat system and we don't need the current twiggy, lets just get the most fit system to support this and future hot running CPU's. While we are at, lets give the Pros the ports they really need! USB-A (2) USB-C (2-3), SD card and MagSafe!
 
Yeah they look nice I have both 2011 and 2016. Look very nice and modern, I love the dark color its a testament to my professionalism.

but no mag safe, no target disk mode, no upgradable ssd, no dual ssd (swapped dvd drive), no diy ram upgrade, keyboard not serviceable, keyboard breaks from looking at it, annoying touchbar, aggressive down clocking for heat management....makes me look like a hipster in the end :(

Hipster. lol. I guess its the trade offs we are willing to accept or not. I did (ssd swap, upgrade ram) that with my 2011 and it kept it inservice longer as my work machine. I am almost at the point of internal storage paranoia again knowing that it is fixed in stone but thats the trade off I accepted to make my back and shoulders happy.
 
So it's OK for Apple to release a broken system as long as 99% of the people don't own one? What about the people who were considering one? Do they count?
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No, what people are doing is pointing out a legitimate issue with an Apple product. They should be faulted. Those who should be faulted are those who make excuses for Apple despite the obvious problem.
I am not making any excuses for their mistake. I am commending them on their resolution and response. I am also pointing out a fact about the overall blanket of negativity. Sorry to burst your bubble (of negativity). You can live in it if you want to.
 
Well, I have to say this is a very attractive laptop now.

I'm still having an internal struggle on whether to buy it or not because it's just so freaking expensive. The last time I bought a MacBook Pro, which was in 2011, it cost half as much to get the model I wanted. Some of this was because I could cheap out on the SSD and RAM and upgrade them later, while this time I have to get it all up-front, meaning the last MBP purchase was 16500DKK, and this one would be 32000DKK.

It's a lot to ask when considering that keyboard... I'm really conflicted. :(
 
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I don't have any benchmarks to prove it, but in my opinion this supplemental update has definitely fixed a bug of some sort. Last night I wasted several hours trying to figure out why some unreal engine projects wouldn't build, and after updating an hour ago everything is building perfectly (and quickly) with 100% cpu utilization. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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I am not making any excuses for their mistake. I am commending them on their resolution and response. I am also pointing out a fact about the overall blanket of negativity. Sorry to burst your bubble (of negativity). You can live in it if you want to.
What you consider negativity other consider constructive criticism. I've been an Apple user for far too long and the one thing I dislike about Apple is their unreasonable fans who will apologize for the company no matter what the situation.
 
I have a 32 thread (dual 8-core w/hyperthreading) Z620 and Handbrake cannot utilize them all. I ran the same transcode on the same system with 24 threads (dual 6-core w/hyperthreading) and it was able to utilize all threads. So it starts to fall off somewhere after 24 thread (both systems completed the job in the same time).
Yeah, I saw bottlenecks on my 32-core/64-thread X7560 server, I think much worse than what you describe. I forget if it was the SSDs or the HDD I was reading/writing on. Could even be a RAM bottleneck if Handbrake is going through it since the separate CPUs (4 of them) don't share any caches. Oh well, I guess the MBP won't have to worry about that anytime soon :D

Edit: It was even slower than the 6-core i7-4xxx (I forget which number) I tried it on, even though the Xeon machine is overall faster in other benchmarks and real-world tasks like Apache Spark. So Handbrake is not perfect for this.
 
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I just want to see Dave’s Lee face when he is admitting that MacBook Pro is a decent machine. I think he even said that he would buy i9 if not heat issue, we’ll see
 
I just want to see Dave’s Lee face when he is admitting that MacBook Pro is a decent machine. I think he even said that he would buy i9 if not heat issue, we’ll see

He worked with Apple to help them fix it according to Apple. Why would he be anything but delighted ? - he has been vindicated and his profile raised signfiicantly.
 
What you consider negativity other consider constructive criticism. I've been an Apple user for far too long and the one thing I dislike about Apple is their unreasonable fans.
You clearly do not know me. I am not unreasonable. I am a fan though. I don't deny that and there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a company. Hopefully it makes them a better company. Apple is where my heart is. Have been an Apple customer for over 22 years. They make phenomenal products. Especially when compared to the "competition", or lack thereof I should say.
 
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It's too early to say if this addresses the issue.

Where my thoughts are is this is an incredibly expensive machine compared to comparably specced windows laptops, and that price is paying for the superb apple quality and a product that just works. Apple no longer produces quality products that just work, but their markup is higher than ever.
That's an opinion. Sales would say you're wrong.

And let's not act like Windows machines are perfect from software, security, or hardware perspectives, lol.
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apparently they were right though, since rushed a fix.
question is, how much right were they.
Ugh, maybe they didn't replicate this issue? So they missed something and fixed it within a week of releasing the product and you have a problem? LOL!!
 
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How did they not notice this in testing?

This is how product launches work sometimes. Weighing the cost of delaying the launch until a fix is in place or launching with a D0-D1 firmware or software update. Since this update was extremely quick, it's likely it was anticipated and in place.
 
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Yeah, I saw bottlenecks on my 32-core/64-thread X7560 server, I think much worse than what you describe. I forget if it was the SSDs or the HDD I was reading/writing on. Could even be a RAM bottleneck since the separate CPUs (4 of them) don't share any caches. Oh well, I guess the MBP won't have to worry about that anytime soon :D
Possibly. The Z620 has 64GB of RAM and a Z-Turbo drive.
 
Let’s wait for the armchair engineers here to say this isn’t good enough and doesn’t address the hardware issue they concluded must exist.

See how far overreacting gets you?
I'll wait and see how benchmarks and real world tests compare before and after. People were saying temps were reaching extremely high levels when the throttling kicked in, so it didn't appear to be a "bug", rather inadequate cooling design.

Found it!
 
This is how product launches work sometimes. Weighing the cost of delaying the launch until a fix is in place or launching with a D0-D1 firmware or software update. Since this update was extremely quick, it's likely it was anticipated and in place.
Yes, because we all know how important it is to Apple to meet the release date they publish to the public :D
 
2018 2.6 i7. I am content.

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That's an opinion. Sales would say you're wrong.

And let's not act like Windows machines are perfect from software, security, or hardware perspectives, lol.
Sales do not disprove what he said. Likewise I don't believe I ever saw anyone say Windows machines are perfect.
 
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