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Regular price for a 3000 mAh regular Lithium battery purchased online = ~ 4 USD.

I question the quality and longevity of a 'Regular' priced Battery at $4.00 compared to Apples OEM batteries they use in their iPhones. There are a multitude of cheap batteries online, but I wouldn't trust the end result of just any "Regular" Battery.
 
I question the quality and longevity of a 'Regular' priced Battery at $4.00 compared to Apples OEM batteries they use in their iPhones. There are a multitude of cheap batteries online, but I wouldn't trust the end result of just any "Regular" Battery.
With Tim Cook at the helm, I would be surprised if Apple was paying more than $5 per iphone battery.
 
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A 3000 mAh battery Lithium battery can be bought online for around 4 USD these days. Just in case if you were wondering if the 79 USD are reasonable. Thanks.

Which means what exactly? You purchase some cheap battery thinking it will compare into the quality of Apples batteries and produce the same exact results? No. Not to mention, I would even trust the safety of a four dollar battery in my iPhone, I would rather have OEM. You get exactly what you pay for, a $4.00 battery will produce cheap results.
 
Has Apple announced the intent to make the power management options visible, with toggles so users can opt to use them or not? Put in a new battery is nice but if the same stuff comes back into play a little further down the road, wouldn't we rather have the option of flipping a toggle in iOS instead of having to then buy a new battery over and over? I would.

Proactive Note (to the defenders/apologists): such an option forces nothing on you. If Apple has it exactly right "as is" from your perspective, the OPTIONAL toggle(s) for OTHERS to flip or not flip would have zero effect on your experience.
I'm also for 'choice' and the 'toggle'. Having said that, I suspect most people would rather opt for somewhat diminished performance, than unexpected shutdowns.
 
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I question the quality and longevity of a 'Regular' priced Battery at $4.00 compared to Apples OEM batteries they use in their iPhones. There are a multitude of cheap batteries online, but I wouldn't trust the end result of just any "Regular" Battery.

And I question the quality and longevity of Apple batteries. Because why do we have this and various other threads about lawsuits and Apple throttling phones again? Oh right, because the battery degraded in a rather short time.
 
I didn't think Apple would find a way to make this worse, yet they did.
I mean, what do you expect them to do? If the phone doesn't fail battery test and has a brand new one, there shouldn't be a problem. That needs to be the policy to avoid abusers.

On a case by case basis, they can deal with someone still having issues after a fresh battery.

You people acting like this power management affects every phone and phones with working batteries are mistaken. If the software impacted phones with good batteries, every iPhone would be affected.
 
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This makes sense to me. However, after this temporary replacement thing runs out they have to come up with a new policy for people to get new batteries, regardless of some diagnostic test. A customer should be able to walk in to an Apple Store, ask for a new battery, pay for it, and get it. No tests or discussion. Apple has never minded taking my money before, I don't know why there are extra steps to giving them my cash when it comes to batteries.

There was an article about a week ago saying Apple now allows people to replace batteries regardless of test results. We don’t know if that will continue beyond 2018, but hopefully it does. Until we get to 2019 there is nothing to complain about since they are doing what you ask for. As for changing the battery without running any tests, that is stupid. They have to run the tests to check if the device is working properly so they can give it back in the same condition it came in. If they didn’t run tests and your accelerometer wasn’t working, when they gave you back your phone you could claim they broke it and need to fix it at no cost.
 
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Name another consumer products company that supports 3.5 year old stuff.

Get over it. Apple is doing what they can.
Apple was caught redhanded and was forced to do this when it went public and are now facing almost 30 lawsuits. They aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They got caught and are trying to clean up the mess.
 
Name another consumer products company that supports 3.5 year old stuff.

Get over it. Apple is doing what they can.
From anecdotes I don't know another company which builds such bad batteries into their products (sans Samsung jokes) and punishes their customers double time afterwards.

Right now I can't name another company which sells such expensive devices which work that bad after 3.5 years.
 
And I question the quality and longevity of Apple batteries.

I don't. I have had zero issues with the batteries in the 6/6s, etc. Others have differing experiences. You asserted a $4.00 battery versus a $79.00 cost , I'm saying I have zero interest in purchasing some third party battery installed with producing results that I would not trust in the sense of safety and durability. Period. I will take my chances with Apples OEM battery. But continue on with advocating a $4.00 battery. (As if Apple should charge at cost by the way is unsensical by the way.)
 
any battery offered by anyone would need replacing in 2 years. i usually figure a year before you start losing capacity.
 
Funny thing: before Apple implemented this "solution" (apparently) in iOS version 10.2.1, I don't remember thousands of posts about people's phones crashing as you imply. What changed to now make that the only outcome if Apple offered such a toggle?

I used to experience shutdowns on my iPhone 6 about a year, or so, ago. it would randomly shut down anytime after 30% battery level. When I would hook it to a charger (thinking I somehow just missed the last 30% drop) it would finally restart, after a few seconds and I'd see a charge around 29% (or right around wherever it would suddenly shut off) I knew that the battery couldn't charge that much in that short of a time and figured it was some glitch.

but then after an update that seemed to stop. I still do get a shutoff every so often, but again just figure some super glitch in a code somewhere...I'd blame an app or website.

but perhaps it is in some correlation to the weakening battery. and performance being halted and ...who knows. for $30 we are thinking of getting new batteries and hope that helps. we plan to upgrade later this year.
 
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I still don't get why apple gets to choose who can get a battery replaced and who can't. even when it was at full price they would turn people away..... shoot if I'm paying for it just replace it Apple some people don't want to wait for a crap battery to replace it and have the means to do so before then........

Me either - And if $80 isn't "enough" for them, set a full price battery replacement cost at something that works for you Apple and tell anyone they can get a new battery anytime they want at that cost.

Any other way of doing this strengthens the argument that they are pushing people to buy new iPhones when they might be perfectly happy with an existing device that might just need a new battery.

I thought this was the "green" company. Shouldn't we be trying to maximize the life of our electronics, especially if all it needs is a new battery? Especially when we ourselves would be paying the full price for it?
 
Apple was caught redhanded and was forced to do this when it went public and are now facing almost 30 lawsuits. They aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. They got caught and are trying to clean up the mess.
LOL, companies get hit with frivolous lawsuits all the time. What do you think the outcome will be from those 30? You really think Apple will be refunding the cost of phones for people who bought new ones or refunding the total cost of the throttled phone?

The right/wrong is gray here, despite how black and white you think it is.

Apple is legally covered to implement software to manage power on their phones and you agree to it in terms and conditions. Trying to understand what Apple knew, their intent, etc is a lot more difficult than you think.

Personally, I believe Apple tried to deal with an issue on a limited amount of phones and potentially miscalculated how much of an effect it would have on a larger scale. Perhaps some of the batteries were bad from the factory or the software was too aggressive in its management. I don't think trying to avoid shutdowns is a bad thing and I know Apple isn't the only company with degraded lithium batteries causing unexpected shutdowns. Just Google Android boot loop or Android shut downs.

Apple doesn't guarantee any level of performance. They are offering you a $29 fix on up to a 3.5 year old device. Pretty cool.
 
Apple was caught redhanded and was forced to do this

False. They were never "forced" to do anything beforehand. They did however respond with a statement explaining the situation, however they were in a position where they had to acknowledge the issue given the lawsuits pending, given the amount of animosity directed towards them from various media outlets asking for additional information.
 
Me either - And if $80 isn't "enough" for them, set a full price battery replacement cost at something that works for you Apple and tell anyone they can get a new battery anytime they want at that cost.

Any other way of doing this strengthens the argument that they are pushing people to buy new iPhones when they might be perfectly happy with an existing device that might just need a new battery.

I thought this was the "green" company. Shouldn't we be trying to maximize the life of our electronics, especially if all it needs is a new battery? Especially when we ourselves would be paying the full price for it?
This is spot on, thank you.


LOL, companies get hit with frivolous lawsuits all the time. What do you think the outcome will be from those 30? You really think Apple will be refunding the cost of phones for people who bought new ones or refunding the total cost of the throttled phone?

The right/wrong is gray here, despite how black and white you think it is.

Apple is legally covered to implement software to manage power on their phones and you agree to it in terms and conditions. Trying to understand what Apple knew, their intent, etc is a lot more difficult than you think.

Personally, I believe Apple tried to deal with an issue on a limited amount of phones and potentially miscalculated how much of an effect it would have on a larger scale. Perhaps some of the batteries were bad from the factory or the software was too aggressive in its management. I don't think trying to avoid shutdowns is a bad thing and I know Apple isn't the only company with degraded lithium batteries causing unexpected shutdowns. Just Google Android boot loop or Android shut downs.

Apple doesn't guarantee any level of performance. They are offering you a $29 fix on up to a 3.5 year old device. Pretty cool.
Feel better now?
 
There was an article about a week ago saying Apple now allows people to replace batteries regardless of test results. We don’t know if that will continue beyond 2018, but hopefully it does. Until we get to 2019 there is nothing to complain about since they are doing what you ask for. As for changing the battery without running any tests, that is stupid. They have to run the tests to check if the device is working properly so they can give it back in the same condition it came in. If they didn’t run tests and your accelerometer wasn’t working, when they gave you back your phone you could claim they broke it and need to fix it at no cost.
Oh come on, they are running the test on the battery to see if it’s defective. Name another product that requires you to jump through hoops to just to put a new battery in it. (Non-Apple product).
 
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