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Only if the battery being removed is already at EOL. Otherwise, the only thing that will change is capacity. The reason lithium ion is so popular is because of how predictable it is for voltage prior to the need for replacement.

EOL is an arbitrary number that is spec'd differently from manufacturer to manufacturer. Batteries are in a constant state of decline that is fairly linear. The 80% capacity cutoff is what Apple chose as their EOL. In other industries, 70% and 60% can be common EOL parameters. Other companies use the internal resistance of the battery to determine EOL as this is what affects the voltage drop under heavy loads.

I've done hybrid battery testing at work and race scale electric vehicles in my free time. It's rare I go more than a week without testing some sort of battery to see how healthy it is. Trust me. Lithium batteries don't all of a sudden lose their ability to hold their voltage under load once they lose 20% of their original capacity. It's a gradual decline. The point is that 80% capacity retention isn't a magic number.

This is what makes my blood boil: That Apple is writing this off as a battery age issue and they were willing to offer us a "fix" by throttling the processor. No. Either they made an engineering mistake in sizing the battery and the selection of the chemistry or they had a huge quality control issue. Either way, the customer shouldn't have to pay to get it fixed.
 
Cool, no bother. Will still be recommending to everyone they replace their batteries during this window, and as late in the window as possible. e.g. my partner's SE will be 18 months by December. Still a very usable phone, but a good time to get a new battery to last another 18 months, or more :)
 
Right but if they change the battery regardless of the test results, who cares if they run the test? It takes 5 minutes at most. If the battery is defective and under warranty it is replaced for free. I don’t see the problem here. There was a problem before when they only replaced failing batteries, now they change it regardless of test results.
I agree with the new way. But isn’t this $29 thing temporary? I don’t mind the test if I can get a new battery regardless of the result.
 
Dang!

within a 50 mile radius there are no available appointments for one week...for any Genius service!!
 
so, coconut battery shows 83%, and geekbench4 shows 1600 out of 2500 single-core score.
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the **** yes it is too much, its a 15minute job with a 5$ part, give me a break.

its not too much on iphone 7 forward which are sealed, but on all previous phones its waaaay too much.

Cool then don’t buy or buy. Apple has spoken and there is nothing You or anyone else on Mac Rumors can do about it. I’ll play the worlds smallest violin for you though!
 
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I agree with the new way. But isn’t this $29 thing temporary? I don’t mind the test if I can get a new battery regardless of the result.

Yes the price is temporary, but we don’t know if the new policy for replacing batteries despite tests results is temporary or permanent. I hope the second.
 
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A 3000 mAh battery Lithium battery can be bought online for around 4 USD these days. Just in case if you were wondering if the 79 USD are reasonable. Thanks.

Alright, time to explain why a final product costs more than the actual parts. If you just sell it for the cost of parts, you make how much profit? $0 or -$X. The product needs to be developed/invented, then the tooling to produce it needs to be made, then it needs to be shipped to wherever it needs to go, then it needs to be marketed (semi-optional) and then there will be some sort of labor whether it be a sales person or a technician.
 
Say what? The only folks who have this worse are those who want a lifetime of battery replacements or free stuff.

I think it’s awesome they are replacing the batteries but to expect this year after year is silly and if it has to be replaced every year that means your phone has other issues going on.

I bet violin sales are going to skyrocket this year!
If Apple doesn’t improve on their battery management this will be yearly. Don’t make a chip that can’t be powered properly.
 
A 3000 mAh battery Lithium battery can be bought online for around 4 USD these days. Just in case if you were wondering if the 79 USD are reasonable. Thanks.
I have always wanted to change my iPhone battery without tools or materials. Thanks!
BTW, I have changed myself the battery for my 3GS, 4S and 5S. No iPhone battery that lasts will cost online to the consumer $4...
 
Has Apple announced the intent to make the power management options visible, with toggles so users can opt to use them or not? Put in a new battery is nice but if the same stuff comes back into play a little further down the road, wouldn't we rather have the option of flipping a toggle in iOS instead of having to then buy a new battery over and over? I would.

Proactive Note (to the defenders/apologists): such an option forces nothing on you. If Apple has it exactly right "as is" from your perspective, the OPTIONAL toggle(s) for OTHERS to flip or not flip would have zero effect on your experience.

But the optional trigger would be "throttle phone under load" or "have phone restart"

That's not really an option, why would you want the phone to freeze and restart?
 
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How could you have possibly assumed this is what they meant when Apple clearly stated this is a one time per phone deal? Pretty sure they're referring to the "if it passes the diagnostic" thing ... which is quite crap. Batteries that pass the diagnostic can still have issues. They have even refused to replace the full price battery for customers that "passed" the diagnostic. If a customer wants to pay for a battery replacement, regardless of the reason, they should be allowed to do so because they are paying for it. This is supposed to be patching up their f*** up ... and their patch has guidelines. Apple just doesn't seem to get the problem here.

Then why don’t you escalate to Apple instead of on this board no one here can help you.

You really think Tim Cook is just going to stroll on over to your post and say “it’s handled” like Olivia pope or something?

I swear this forum which used to be has become a bunch of cry babies over every single from the naming convention of iPhone to “feeling priced out of iPhone X” and many other things.

You folks have fun with your stress. There’s going to be a whole bunch of you with high blood pressure and over something as simple as a phone?

Look around the world and now that’s something to get stressed about instead of some object that’s already outdated as soon as you get it. Priorities and some people’s children geez!
 
This is getting ridiculous. As long as there is a mismatch between the genius diagnostic and the ios data (that causes the throttling) the customer should get a replacement, especially when he is paying for it. I really hope one of the lawsuits reveals Apple throttling mechanism and battery design in detail. There is something fishy about this whole thing. Apple says it's not permanent, but nearly every user report i read so far suggests it is rather permanent and disappears with a new battery.

I agree. Apple has never come to such a quick "deal" for everyone, and that alone makes it fishy. Remember, "you are holding it wrong"? I believe the real issue is a design problem, and the resolution probably should be a recall. Devices should not become unstable when the battery ages. I've never seen an electronic device behave that way... the battery life just gets shorter. This $29 thing is an attempt to appease people to back off the lawsuits.
 
Yes the price is temporary, but we don’t know if the new policy for replacing batteries despite tests results is temporary or permanent. I hope the second.
Right. And that’s exactly what I said in my first post.
 
Cool then don’t buy or buy. Apple has spoken and there is nothing You or anyone else on Mac Rumors can do about it. I’ll play the worlds smallest violin for you though!

well yes it can be done, this should be a free replacement /recall since it should be considered a design flaw.

It's happening right now in the automotive industry:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ate-volkswagen-uk-motorists-class-action-suit

and yes, if there's enough people involved we indeed can do something about it.

I dont know what was your point...
 
Then why don’t you escalate to Apple instead of on this board no one here can help you.

You really think Tim Cook is just going to stroll on over to your post and say “it’s handled” like Olivia pope or something?

I swear this forum which used to be has become a bunch of cry babies over every single from the naming convention of iPhone to “feeling priced out of iPhone X” and many other things.

You folks have fun with your stress. There’s going to be a whole bunch of you with high blood pressure and over something as simple as a phone?

Look around the world and now that’s something to get stressed about instead of some object that’s already outdated as soon as you get it. Priorities and some people’s children geez!
I'm not talking about my personal issues. I'm not having battery issues, but I still recognize the problem others are having (my mother being one of them, but she's getting her battery replaced soon). Your "this isn't a problem to me so I don't see why it's a problem to others" mentality is not helping anyone. It's just silly. And calling people you don't agree with children just makes you sound childish. It's possible to have a discussion without resorting to that.
 
well yes it can be done, this should be a free replacement /recall since it should be considered a design flaw.

It's happening right now in the automotive industry:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ate-volkswagen-uk-motorists-class-action-suit

and yes, if there's enough people involved we indeed can do something about it.

I dont know what was your point...

Well it’s not free and not going to be. So complain to Apple because no on this board can change it.
 
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