Apple Says CarPlay Now Available in Over 800 Vehicle Models as GM Plans to Phase Out Support in EVs

Phogro said:
How long until Apple starts complaining they want 3rd party access to car manufacturer entertainment software? How the turns have been tabled.
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This won't happen because there are other options for vehicles that offer entertainment systems with 3rd party options, and if the comments are anything to go by, people are willing to not buy GM because of the lack of 3rd party options. Its almost as if there are another choices, and that 3rd party options are important to users, they will switch platforms, strange.
 
torontotim said:
My 2015 GMC Canyon doesn't have CarPlay and I don't really miss it. I've driven/rented loads of cars with it, connected my phone etc. and it's nice to have, but I have my iPhone on a dash mount and frankly am not limited by the CarPlay UI.

It's certainly not a must-have and if you're daft enough to base the purchase of a vehicle on whether or not it has CarPlay, well I guess you can just be daft. It's about the least important factor when making a vehicle decision.
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Something I interact with regularly whenever I am in the car is definitely a big factor for me. Its not like we’re talking about ambient lighting.
 
james2538 said:
I really wish the model list on Apple's website would specify which vehicles come with Wireless CarPlay.

Also annoyed at how long the rollout for Apple Car Keys has taken. So far it's just BMW (of course not the X1 or X3 I could afford) and a few Hyundai/Kia models. Hopefully 2024 brings a wider release along with next gen CarPlay.
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Getting wireless CarPlay on a wired CarPlay car is not difficult at all. I've done it on my Honda Clarity.
 
siddavis said:
Didn't GM see this play out at Toyota already?
It's as if they operate in their own little world. One where they think people will buy their crap because they slap Americana all over ads.
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I am "Americana" and won't buy anything that has a GM badge on it. We've owned Ford's and looking at getting another but are turned off from all their politicking and virtue signalling. I've been a VW owner for decades but with their commitment to EV's you have to wonder how long they'll be a viable company.

Toyota seems to be one of the few to see the error of their ways and make a course correction.
 
centauratlas said:
I still don't see how GM thinks this is a good move. Everyone we know who has CarPlay in the car loves it. GM is shooting themselves in the foot. I wouldn't buy a car without it - unless there were no other options.
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Same here. CarPlay is not a deal-breaker for me but it is for a lot of people I know, it is convenient. What is the purpose behind this? Why GM thinks this is a good move? Is it data collection maybe?? I don't know, but I am sure people won't be happy.
 
My mom had an '87 Taurus. It overheated in a snowstorm...

My dad had an '89 Lincoln Continental... it burned to the ground in his office parking lot. Piece of **** had a digital speedo stuck at 0MPH, two doors that wouldn't open from the outside, and the garish navy blue "cop car interior" was falling apart by its 2nd year.

They've been on Lexus since the OG LS400. I've only owned European and Japanese brands myself. It's been an excellent lifelong decision. American auto manufacturers suck. Give me a Toyota/Honda for reliability any day. Give me a European brand for fun any day.
 
GeoStructural said:
Same here. CarPlay is not a deal-breaker for me but it is for a lot of people I know, it is convenient. What is the purpose behind this? Why GM thinks this is a good move? Is it data collection maybe?? I don't know, but I am sure people won't be happy.
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The purpose is to sell subscriptions for the services your phone does for free. And also sell your location and usage data To 3rd parties. There is nothing customer friendly about this decision.
 
Good luck, GM with eliminating CarPlay. If Apple is building a car, I feel like I saw this movie in 2006:

'Responding to questions from New York Times correspondent John Markoff at a Churchill Club breakfast gathering Thursday morning, (Palm CEO) Colligan laughed off the idea that any company — including the wildly popular Apple Computer — could easily win customers in the finicky smart-phone sector.

“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”'
 
GeoStructural said:
Same here. CarPlay is not a deal-breaker for me but it is for a lot of people I know, it is convenient. What is the purpose behind this? Why GM thinks this is a good move? Is it data collection maybe?? I don't know, but I am sure people won't be happy.
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I would imagine they have all the data they need through their OnStar division
 
moabal said:
GM can get bent. This will backfire on them greatly if they stick to their plans.
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Not if they do it right!
The real reason so many people like CarPlay is due to the horrible alternatives the auto-makers have given people.

Apple provided a work-around for poor touchscreen UI's in vehicles and the added benefit that it's a UI already familiar to any iOS user. The fact it's gotten so popular is just a testament to how bad most auto-makers are at doing their own. (I had Cadillac's first attempt before they released "Cue" and it was pretty bad. I've heard "Cue" had a lot of problems as well. Also used Ford Sync in a 2022 Bronco Sport and it wasn't anything special either.)
 
torontotim said:
My 2015 GMC Canyon doesn't have CarPlay and I don't really miss it. I've driven/rented loads of cars with it, connected my phone etc. and it's nice to have, but I have my iPhone on a dash mount and frankly am not limited by the CarPlay UI.

It's certainly not a must-have and if you're daft enough to base the purchase of a vehicle on whether or not it has CarPlay, well I guess you can just be daft. It's about the least important factor when making a vehicle decision.
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I agree. I just picked up my new Chevy Silverado and CarPlay wasn't even on my mind when I bought it. I installed an aftermarket stereo with CarPlay in my last vehicle, a Chevy Tahoe, and honestly, I hated it. Having Maps on a big screen was nice, but selecting music is such a chore. I still grabbed the iPhone for making music selections and a few other things. The CarPlay UI is so slow, clunky and counterintuitive since it doesn't really support multitouch.

My new Silverado has a huge widescreen display and a bunch of Google services built in (in addition to CarPlay support). CarPlay can't take advantage of the wide screen, but built-in Google Maps takes advantage of it and is far more responsive than the CarPlay UI. I generally expect the worst from factory infotainment systems, but so far I'm more impressed with Chevy's homegrown/Google solution than with CarPlay.
 
People want to extend what‘s on their phones to the car display - email, messages, contacts, playlists, etc. I don’t see how any car manufacturer can make a convenient system that exceeds phone integration. It will be a huge mess that eliminates user choice and flexibility.
 
GMShadow said:
Because they want to make their solution a subscription, just like how they’ve been tacking on more charges for OnStar recently.
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kingtj1971 said:
Not if they do it right!
The real reason so many people like CarPlay is due to the horrible alternatives the auto-makers have given people.

Apple provided a work-around for poor touchscreen UI's in vehicles and the added benefit that it's a UI already familiar to any iOS user. The fact it's gotten so popular is just a testament to how bad most auto-makers are at doing their own. (I had Cadillac's first attempt before they released "Cue" and it was pretty bad. I've heard "Cue" had a lot of problems as well. Also used Ford Sync in a 2022 Bronco Sport and it wasn't anything special either.)
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its how well it works with my phone that I carry everywhere that has all my things on it. I don’t carry my car everywhere I don’t want an app just to connect my car to my phone. They can’t do it right as far as I am concerned.
 
Talk about not knowing your customers, this is a colossal mistake on GM's part. The fact that they announced this so early shows that they know this will be unpopular and are trying to get the bad press out beforehand, so it doesn't overshadow their EV launches. Their doubling down on this despite the push-back pants a very bleak picture for GM's future because it shows that engineering and marketing no longer have any say in an electrified GM. This is 100% a C level MBA's idea to turn their infotainment system into a revenue stream and monetize on every aspect of the car which will prove to be a privacy nightmare. Prepare yourself for subscriptions, advertising and notifications everywhere.

A much better alternative would be to build an experience that makes Android Auto and CarPlay redundant or even inferior to the point where even though it's available a majority of people don't use it. But that would be too hard because it would require actual innovation; so their only option would be to force it onto the user. This points to this being a horrible experience which is something GM knows because they've done focus groups and those groups would have told them two things, their infotainment system is average at best and they would use CarPlay or Android Auto over it.
 
GMShadow said:
Because they want to make their solution a subscription, just like how they’ve been tacking on more charges for OnStar recently.
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This is probably a huge factor. OnStar used to be a major GM feature. Now everyone has cell phones.

And with iPhone now having crash detection and satellite connectivity, what does OnStar have left to sell?
 
mattopotamus said:
Tesla is the only car manufacture proven to have a competent in house UI. Outside of them, I wouldn't want a new car without CarPlay until the performance and consistent updates are proven.
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You have to use a button buried in a touchscreen menu to open the glove box on a Tesla. That is the opposite of a good UI
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The reality is that GM is doing this for [yet another] subscription service. You want the in-dash apps? Pay the $10/month for it (if you're lucky it will be that "low").

Likewise, GM and a lot of other manufacturers used to sell drivers updates to their navigation maps at something close to $200/update. It would arrive on a USB drive that would only work on the specific car it was purchased for (ie, can't buy one USB update and use it on two cars, even if they're the same make/model/year). This would replace your 5-year old maps with 2-year old maps. This revenue stream dried up when everyone started using Android Auto/CarPlay with better map software. I'm sure whether a subscription or physical drive, updates won't be free. It could be included in the subscription, sold separately, or both.
 
Razorpit said:
I am "Americana" and won't buy anything that has a GM badge on it. We've owned Ford's and looking at getting another but are turned off from all their politicking and virtue signalling. I've been a VW owner for decades but with their commitment to EV's you have to wonder how long they'll be a viable company.

Toyota seems to be one of the few to see the error of their ways and make a course correction.
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California is just pitching too much EV desires without factoring population growth and limited power grid capacity no matter how much sun we get which lately flooded out large sections of this state. The EU recognizing that cleaner fuels as still means of to an end are more pragmatic towards multiple approaches to getting there. I hope GM fumbles with this anti-consumer ploy against car play.
 
Realityck said:
California is just pitching too much EV desires without factoring population growth and limited power grid capacity no matter how much sun we get which lately flooded out large sections of this state. The EU recognizing that cleaner fuels as still means of to an end are more pragmatic towards multiple approaches to getting there. I hope GM fumbles with this anti-consumer ploy.
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California allows for Hybrids and Plug-In Hybrids in addition to EVs.
 
GM is doing this in EVs, a market that’s already a difficult sell for a lot of people. This just gives car shoppers one more reason to look at a gas car. Way to go, I guess?
 
Not just removing CarPlay, but Android Auto too. This system is being developed by Google too, guess the temptation for more nickel and dime subscription tactics is strong. I think GM will be surprised how many people might pass on their vehicles just so they can sync up their phone via CarPlay or Android Auto.
 
Realityck said:
California is just pitching too much EV desires without factoring population growth and limited power grid capacity no matter how much sun we get which lately flooded out large sections of this state. The EU recognizing that cleaner fuels as still means of to an end are more pragmatic towards multiple approaches to getting there. I hope GM fumbles with this anti-consumer ploy.
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Charging is why I went with another gas guzzler for my new vehicle. Look at what has happened in recent years with power grids nearly failing multiple times due to weather events - and that's with a tiny percentage of cars being electric. How is everyone going to charge their cars if 10% of vehicles are electric? 50%? We're going to need a solar farm at every corner. The writing is also on the wall with electricity prices. They just keep going up, up, up.
 
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