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The accusers should have to provide some unequivocal proof for us that this is actually true before anyone starts to point fingers.

I find it highly unlikely that Apple (because they aren't just some small unknown outfit of a company) would do this. They can't downgrade the main feature of the phone and then deny it. Not least of all because they have marketed it to the world already. If any changes made were to alter the products ability in any meaningful way it would be fraudulent.

Exactly the point I was making. Lying in such a specific way would lead to many many legal issues.
 
Well I guess the question is, how would we know whether they did or did not lower the standards?

A random reddit user made a post yesterday with images, they got to play with an X. They're also the person who shared a short video of the swipe gesture to go between apps, and how fluid it is. They commented that FaceID never failed them, and was fast to recognize.
 
If Apple could be taken to court and sued for a vast amount of money, why is the same not true for what Bloomberg did by falsely accusing Apple? (I am truly asking, not being a smart aleck)
The article makes no claims of its own, it just cites what other, anonymous, people have said. Very different from Apple making an official statement.
 
i can't imagine apple could make a supply change decision a month before a new product is about to launch - if any changes were made they'd have to be done so months ago.
 
i can't imagine apple could make a supply change decision a month before a new product is about to launch - if any changes were made they'd have to be done so months ago.

I bet that if anything in that story is true is that the “next” iPhone will have a less efficient FaceID. By next they probably mean the iPhone 8S or whatever it will be called, the lower-tier iPhone, while the iPhone XB will have the best of the best.
Someone must’ve heard the rumor and thought that by “next” they meant the X.
 
The accusers should have to provide some unequivocal proof for us that this is actually true before anyone starts to point fingers.

I find it highly unlikely that Apple (because they aren't just some small unknown outfit of a company) would do this. They can't downgrade the main feature of the phone and then deny it. Not least of all because they have marketed it to the world already. If any changes made were to alter the products ability in any meaningful way it would be fraudulent.
True, but do they really have to show proof? Really the only people they have to show proof to would be Apple and in court of law if a lawsuit were to take place. The whole thing is crazy over a phone.. it's a phone! It's laughable that this is what society is taking their time to finger point at... laughable actually isn't right.. downright SAD is what it really is.
 
The article makes no claims of its own, it just cites what other, anonymous, people have said. Very different from Apple making an official statement.

It just seems overwhelmingly constant the more time goes on. "Oh! An anonymous source told us x, y, and z" (even if there was no source at all to begin with. What starts out as click-bait, I believe, truly becomes defamatory and even sways people's opinions into not making a certain purchase or going elsewhere with their business.

Not like Mashable or Snapchat Cover Stories are a gold standard for credible news, but it is viewed by several thousand (and potentially millions) of people and those stories are mostly straight-up lies.
 
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True, but do they really have to show proof? Really the only people they have to show proof to would be Apple and in court of law if a lawsuit were to take place. The whole thing is crazy over a phone.. it's a phone! It's laughable that this is what society is taking their time to finger point at... laughable actually isn't right.. downright SAD is what it really is.

It’s a bit more than a phone. It’s a portable device, used by millions of people, that directly moves and impact a multi-billion (if not trillion) dollar sub-economy and several other companies.
 
It’s a bit more than a phone. It’s a portable device, used by millions of people, that directly moves and impact a multi-billion (if not trillion) dollar sub-economy and several other companies.
It's a phone.
 
Apple made lies many times before, no point to believe what Apple claimed now.
Yup. Like my Santa Rosa mbp didn't have a defective nvidia gpu. When every other company that used them said they were bad. Apple would never lie about anything.
 
I just do not understand - why is this not considered libel? Is Bloomberg or any other news outlet allowed to write an article about anything that comes to mind and there not be repercussions?

Because it’s not libel to say that someone said something. If that person said something it’s fine to print even if that person is a liar.
 
Props to Apple for quickly setting the record straight. Still a day one buy for me.
I'm kinda mixed about this. I mean about Apple "setting the record straight". I'm not sure if they should be responding to claims such as this otherwise, they will have to respond to every single stupid claim that is put out there and if they don't, then all will think, "Well they didn't respond, so it MUST be true" type thing. I don't think anyone who really knows Apple believed this for a moment. I wish they hadn't responded.
 
I was highly suspect of this claim too because you don't just "decrease accuracy" of an electronic component like that. Not to mention people would figure it out in no time.

Not saying they did, but yes of course you can change accuracy specs. And no, it would not be immediately figured out if say, all 30,000 dots were not aligned with sub-micron precision.

In any case, Apples statement was, as always, written carefully in order to avoid answering all questions.

It said NOTHING about whether or not production test specs were changed to speed up production.

It only claimed that it still worked just as accurately. Which is all that matters to most people.
 
Apple has been found to speak misstruths before. I am not making any claims about this being true or not, but the number of "Apple wouldn't lie" folks is, for lack of better words, concerning.

I have learned my lesson, even with Apple. If something doesn't perform at or above my expectations within the return window, it goes back. No waiting for bug fixes and etc. I have been burned before, sadly.
 
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The reading comprehension of everyone has failed here. There is no timeline of events. The Face ID proves one of the hardest components to manufacturer based on multiple sources. To ramp up production, there is a possibility Apple reduced the acceptable dot yield to 50%. If 50% is highly accurate, then the rumor is plausible. Whether it's true or false is unknown and likely will never be known unless there's an audio clip of Jeff Williams or Tim Cook reporting its truth.
 
People still believe 5.8" iPhone X has more view-able real estate than iPhone Plus 5.5" screen.. just because Apple claims it does. But just working in X-code will tell you that isn't the case at all... again it's not a lie.. it's a marketing tactic. They have shareholders.

Would I give a flying monkey? Personally of course not. I would take a smaller form factor device with a larger screen to body ration anytime instead of a large brick with a decade old style bezels. Reason I never got the plus version of iPhone is the ridiculous size of the overall device. Far to large to go in a guys pocket!
 
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