I think you fail to understand that people do in fact understand this and still don’t want it.
If it were important to me I would have bought an Android phone.
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If it were important to me I would have bought an Android phone.
They don’t do the same thing, and even if they did, why does that somehow vindicate Apple. I can buy my Xbox and PlayStation games from 100’s of places and I can choose numerous ways to pay for them (and I can sell them). Microsoft and Sony also pay $100M’s in advance to get some of these games developed. Despite having 100’s of places to buy, neither Xbox nor PlayStation is a privacy or security nightmare that Apple claim opening up the App Store would be.
For balance I’m no fan of the gaming console business methods either but for entirely different reasons (I’m a PC gamer), but this whole “others being terrible means it’s fine for me to be terrible“ argument is BS
and clearly everyone commenting on here is doing it on the basis of some bias.
Even if you assume that none of the implied security issues exist, you may end up having to flip that switch just to use an App that you or your job needs.
Let's say you need to use apps from Google, Microsoft, Adobe and Autodesk, and all these companies (and other big players) have shunned the App Store and now whatever mobile versions of their apps now go through their own installers, which updates apps in the background, manages installs, etc. Are you happy that there are now several installer apps perpetually running apps in the background?
What if they also decide they need to increase revenue by showing ads in your notifications?
What if by default, they install McAfee Antivirus, Google Ad tracker or some other "helpful" app, and you can only uninstall it if you opted out by going through the menus before installation?
If it's installed, because they don't have to go through any sort of app guidelines, what's going to stop them from having something running in the background that occasionally pops up on your notifications as "Hey, we missed you so here's a 50% discount on McAfee Trojan Protection for iOS!"
These are all what-ifs, of course.
These are all good and valid questions:
- I totally second we shouldn't defend any of these organizations: after all they operate for profit with no other relevant motives. So, in principle they can sue each other into the ground for all we should care, unless we're stock owners.
- What we should care about is the security of the devices we choose to use. Sideloading will - basic software security methodology and math suffice to prove this - open IOS for additional exploits and avenues for attack making IOS inherently less secure. Even the inclusion if a, pr. default off, switch to allow sideloading is potentially exploitable.
I really really wish Apple loses. Greediest company on earth.
This sort of stuff should be banned in games anyway, virtual currency for cash that’s targeting kids. It’s just legal gold farming.You can buy Fortnite V-Bucks gift cards at your local grocery store.
So clearly Epic has already figured out this "outside the App Store" thing...
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You only have to read stories on Macrumors over the last few weeks to see that the App Store is rife with fake apps stealing information and money from users. I guess you probably haven’t heard about malware on the Mac either despite it being as open as android.
and yet there are literally 1000’s (if not 10’s of) of these games on iOS, but thats Ok because the common denominator is hard cash from the user that Apple gets its 30% cut of.
I can't even imagine how a customer would want multiple app stores.
Want an Adobe App? Get the Adobe App Store first
Want a Microsoft App? Get the Microsoft App Store first
Want a certain game? Was this game on the Steam App Store, the Epic Games App Store or the GOG.com App Store?
Nex thing you know we'll have a Galaxy App Store and a Google Play Store on iOS, no thank you Tim Sweeney. I want the App store and nothing else, stop trying to change our ecosystem.
Want an Adobe App? Get the Adobe App Store first
Want a Microsoft App? Get the Microsoft App Store first
Want a certain game? Was this game on the Steam App Store, the Epic Games App Store or the GOG.com App Store?
Nex thing you know we'll have a Galaxy App Store and a Google Play Store on iOS, no thank you Tim Sweeney. I want the App store and nothing else, stop trying to change our ecosystem.
I want Fortnight on my Commodore 64 but Epic (who used to release games on that platform) steadfastly refuse.
They have a monopoly on the game and wont open it up to all hardware users...
Monopoly works both ways.
If you want to play it, buy hardware they will support. And payment methods they are happy to use.
I do not want backdoor, side loading apps on Apple devices.
Those who choose to jailbreak (is that even a thing anymore or have we all moved on to more productive wastes of time?) can forego Apple support and do whatever with their hardware.
They have a monopoly on the game and wont open it up to all hardware users...
Monopoly works both ways.
If you want to play it, buy hardware they will support. And payment methods they are happy to use.
I do not want backdoor, side loading apps on Apple devices.
Those who choose to jailbreak (is that even a thing anymore or have we all moved on to more productive wastes of time?) can forego Apple support and do whatever with their hardware.
No they don't. Personally I wish more software was available through the Mac AppStore instead of spread out all over the 'net with all the various payment systems we have to take a chance on. But I also use my Mac for very different things than I use my phone for.
If every other major OS does what you want it to do, then why not use one of those rather than work to eliminate the only alternative?
Wait... There's nothing radical about loading apps from the Internet and every other OS allows it but most people aren't aware that it's possible?
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Considering the volume, and type, of sensitive data I have stored on the other side of the wall, I have zero interest in a door, a window or even a crack in said wall. Nope. None. Thanks.
For those that don’t care about their digital footprint, there are plenty of “free” services, experiences, and shiny options out there for you. Knock yourselves out. For those of us that do, we also have an option.
So how about you chose and use what you like, and I’ll do the same. And if they’re different, who cares? I know…Crazy concept.
If you look at the MacOS model, there are a lot of Apps that I would prefer to buy from the AppStore but can't because developers don't offer them there. They don't offer them there because they have a door.
I can't have a walled garden on Mac because there are too many doors.
You can't install Epic's games right now because Epic is a deceitful company that refuses to remove illegal code from their apps. It has nothing to do with iOS.
As a user, I paid my iPhone, which covers the cost of the AppStore. I don't see why I have to pay the AppStore when buying the iPhone and then again when bying an application and again when buying a subscription to a service that Apple doesn't provide or help in any way. Does Apple help my local newspaper provide subscriptions? Does it help Netflix or Spotify providing payment options? No, not only Apple doesn't help them, but they force them to support another kind of payment on top of their existing infrastructure, increasing therefore the costs. Costs I'm paying as a user.
So I pay for the AppStore:
1. iPhone
2. Buying the app
3. Buying the subscription
4. Cost reported to the users due to the money the company needs to invest to adapt to the Apple rules on subscriptions.
So not only many companies looses money because of Apple monopolistic rules, but the users are even in a worst position than content providers since they pay the price for the AppStore 3 times if not 4.
But I know, many Apple users are like fanatic religious people. No critic agains their religion is accepted. Not a single one. Several times Apple did some very **** moves against users and yet, those didn't notice a thing even though the prices increased suddenly by 20-30% only due to how a product was renamed...
In the case of the AppStore, the user is the biggest looser.
Um. I’m sorry what exactly is the benefit for you of buying the same software from within the App Store as directly from the devs website? That’s like being forced to buy gas from the dealership instead of any gas station you choose, so I don’t see the benefit.
Actually, they are demanding the right to add as many doors as they want without any actual specifications, for whoever to enter and leave as they please, with complete disregard for the overall aesthetic of the walls and the garden and they want Apple to keep footing the bill for the groundskeeper.
What do you call code that was knowingly added in direct violation of contractual agreement?
I seriously wonder how each side manages to get their opponent's internal emails. I mean, Apple obviously wouldn't just give their internal emails to Epic.
Trusted payment systems, consolidated update system, the ability to centrally remove compromised apps, a centralized user review system, oversight of data privacy, ease of discovery, standardized terms around family sharing, etc, etc, etc...