Apple Says iOS is Safer Than Android Because Sideloading Apps Isn't Allowed

[toobravetosave]

If the App store becomes fragmented by allowing alternative stores you are actually forcing everyone to choose between the app and sideloading, funny how no one wants to acknowledge this!

if that didn't happen on android which many of you think of as a lawless wasteland of fragmentation why do you think that would happen on ios?

 

[vipergts2207]

Wait, so you actually agree with Apple’s concern then, that sideloading can bring problems like malware….

I don't think anyone said it couldn't. Two things mitigate that fact. First, we shouldn't reduce everything the least common denominator. I've been using computers for decades now, I can manage my own risk. I don't need Apple to do it for me. I already do it on my Mac. Second, you're free to not sideload and open yourself up to that risk in the first place by staying within Apple's walls.

 

[jz0309]

Almost as sad as big tech forcing people into consuming content they deem right

You do not have to buy anything from any big tech company you don’t like … politicians you’re typically stuck with for 4 years

 

[Wildkraut]

Looks like MR is advertising dangerous malware sideloading downloads 😱https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-on-macs-optimized-for-apple-silicon.2316767/

 

[vipergts2207]

If the App store becomes fragmented by allowing alternative stores you are actually forcing everyone to choose between the app and sideloading, funny how no one wants to acknowledge this!

We don't acknowledge it because if that were the case, that reality would exist on Android already. So far, nobody has shown that it does.

 

[Michael Scrip]

plenty of malware and scams in the appstore already

And there will be plenty more malware and scams on websites if you can download directly from them.

Just wait... it'll be open season on the iPhone. The scammers are already licking their chops.

When my friend clicks an Instagram link to "xyzgamez.com" to download and sideload some new game... and the game is actually designed to siphon all your contacts for spamming purposes because the developer is a douchebag... and my contact info is now compromised...

Yeah I'm not looking forward to that.

But freedom, right?

 

[toobravetosave]

All of these

And there will be plenty more malware and scams on websites if you can download directly from them.

Just wait... it'll be open season on the iPhone. The scammers are already licking their chops.

When my friend clicks an Instagram link to "xyzgamez.com" to download and sideload some new game... and the game is actually designed to siphon all your contacts for spamming purposes because the developer is a douchebag... and my contact info is now compromised...

Yeah I'm not looking forward to that.

But freedom, right?

you clearly don't know how sideloading even works on android you need to not only allow very specific permissions but multiple prompts to actually install a foreign program and it would probably require even more hoops on ios

relax with your doomsday pearl clutching

 

[I7guy]

Thank you for recognizing that this analogy of yours was bad. You're right, ECU tuning is akin to jailbreaking and we're not asking for the ability to jailbreak.


I'll say it again, many factors outweigh the ability to sideload apps when deciding on a smartphone. As such, many others and I will continue to advocate for changes we'd like to see to the products we use. There are many differences between iOS and Android outside of the ability to sideload.

I agree with you. We should advocate for changes we want to see..or not see. But the government should keeps out business model issues, unless there is some issue with product safety or other harm or violates some law. As of now, in the US the app store does not violate any laws, except for one finding that is being appealed.

 

[Dustman]

I bet this has a lot to do with jailbreaking, as that’s as simple as side-loading an app and being on the right iOS version.

 

[icanhazmac]

if that didn't happen on android which many of you think of as a lawless wasteland of fragmentation why do you think that would happen on ios?

I can't say that it hasn't, is it your claim that 100% of apps available for "sideloading" in the android world are also available on the Android equivalent of the Apple App store? I would find that very hard to believe. I am willing to be wrong about this but I don't think I am.

 

[toobravetosave]

I can't say that it hasn't, is it your claim that 100% of apps available for "sideloading" in the android world are also available on the Andriod equivalent of the Apple App store? I would find that very hard to believe. I am willing to be wrong about this but I don't think I am.

There are some apps you cannot get on legit app stores such as youtube vanced which blocks ads or the f-droid open source app store which has some things not on app stores but most things seem to be available on all stores but I couldn't possibly tell you anything is absolutely 100% of anything

 

[toobravetosave]

If you don't want to sideload then don't just like 99.9% of people on android don't sideload neither will most apple users but don't pretend the availability of the option will somehow spell literal doom of the entire ios ecosystem

 

[IG88]

Apple said if it were forced to allow sideloading (LIKE ALL VERSIONS OF MAC OS HAVE ALLOWED FROM THE BEGINNING OF ITS EXISTENCE),

FIFY

 

[toobravetosave]

side loading used to just be called installing applications

 

[Michael Scrip]

If almost nobody sideloads... then why offer it at all?

Is it really necessary to please that last 0.1% of users?

 

[vipergts2207]

I agree with you. We should advocate for changes we want to see..or not see. But the government should keeps out business model issues, unless there is some issue with product safety or other harm or violates some law. As of now, in the US the app store does not violate any laws, except for one finding that is being appealed.

Umm, I think that's exactly the intent behind this legislation in the EU. The regulations on the books are woefully ill-equipped to deal with the issues of today's digital age and the EU sees the need to setup some new laws to regulate it. In the U.S. the major antitrust laws are the Sherman Act of 1890, the Clayton Act of 1914, and the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914. All of them are from long before the first computer was was invented and the first was even before vacuum tubes had been invented. So I disagree when you say government should keep out of this. The relevant laws are over a century old and I'm all for passing new ones rather than rely on laws passed by those who's grandchildren are even probably dead by now.

 

[icanhazmac]

There are some apps you cannot get on legit app stores such as youtube vanced which blocks ads or the f-droid open source app store which has some things not on app stores but most things seem to be available on all stores but I couldn't possibly tell you anything is absolutely 100% of anything

Ok and fair enough. I would offer this as a possible reason for why fragmentation has not happened en masse: Again, take Epic, why invest in your own mobile app store and payment systems for just the Android users, why not wait until Apple is forced to accept alternate stores and payment processing and then launch a mobile gaming store. Epic pays Google too and it not happy with them either.

 

[JimmyHook]

If Apple is required to allow sideloading of apps, they should refuse service for anyone who does. Void that warranty. Why should they be responsible for idiotic behavior they have no control over?

 

[I7guy]

Umm, I think that's exactly the intent behind this legislation in the EU. The regulations on the books are woefully ill-equipped to deal with the issues of today's digital age and the EU sees the need to setup some new laws to regulate it. In the U.S. the major antitrust laws are the Sherman Act of 1890, the Clayton Act of 1914, and the Federal Trade Commission Act of 1914. All of them are from long before the first computer was was invented and the first was even before vacuum tubes had been invented. So I disagree when you say government should keep out of this. The relevant laws are over a century old and I'm all for passing new ones rather than rely on laws passed by those who's grandchildren are even probably dead by now.

The US court in California has said that Apple did not violate any laws; thus validating Apples business model in the US. That doesn't mean in the US that congress can't pass some other Monday morning quarterback laws to force Apple to alter a business practice. But that would likely be challenged to the Supreme Court. What happens in the EU remains to be seen. IMO, government in the US should keep it's nose out of this type of micro-managing. So yeah, I'm against passing laws to force change of business practices, unless they are currently illegal. Vote with ones' dollars instead.

 

[toobravetosave]

Ok and fair enough. I would offer this as a possible reason for why fragmentation has not happened en masse: Again, take Epic, why invest in your own mobile app store and payment systems for just the Android users, why not wait until Apple is forced to accept alternate stores and payment processing and then launch a mobile gaming store. Epic pays Google too and it not happy with them either.

Most people are going to use the regular app store for everything. However some things are banned for no reason other than greed such as emulators and game stream services because apple won't get their 30% cut and yes fortnite too for the same reason. Programs that block ads like youtube vanced are also banned because...you guessed it...ads make money.

There will not be some epidemic of malware and hackings from sideloading just like there isn't on android where most malware and issues stem from the actual app store same as apple. It is literally pure greed to deny sideloading and everyone has bought apple's fear mongering marketing hook line and sinker

 

[HarryDevlin]

I, and many others if you look around, want this restrictions for just the reasons mentioned, and want to keep them.

Also, I can install my own apps through xcode.

Maybe they should have an option to allow other sources, but it should be optional to allow that.

That's what it's like on Android. You can't load apps from other than the Google Play Store without explicitly granting permission.

 

[I7guy]

Most people are going to use the regular app store for everything. However some things are banned for no reason other than greed such as emulators and game stream services because apple won't get their 30% cut and yes fortnite too for the same reason.

Apple doesn't their cut when there is no IAP.

Programs that block ads like youtube vanced are also banned because...you guessed it...ads make money.

Or because it goes against some terms of service.

There will not be some epidemic of malware and hackings from sideloading just like there isn't on android where most malware and issues stem from the actual app store same as apple. It is literally pure greed to deny sideloading and everyone has bought apple's fear mongering marketing hook line and sinker

You can't know that and the part about greed is purely speculative.

 

[Michael Scrip]

In one breath you say most people won't sideload...

But in the next breath you say Apple is greedy for not allowing it...

It doesn't sound like it will affect Apple or developers since hardly anyone sideloads.

So what's the big deal?

There's all this talk saying "Apple MUST allow sideloading" and it's followed by "but no one sideloads anyway"

Oh right... emulators. The billion-dollar business that is being destroyed by Apple's lack of sideloading abilities...

 

[toobravetosave]

In one breath you say most people won't sideload...

But in the next breath you say Apple is greedy for not allowing it...

It doesn't sound like it will affect Apple or developers since hardly anyone sideloads.

So what's the big deal?

There's all this talk saying "Apple MUST allow sideloading" and it's followed by "but no one sideloads anyway"

Oh right... emulators. The billion-dollar business that is being destroyed by Apple's lack of sideloading abilities...

If that's all true then why not let such a small minority of people do so?

 

[tann]

We live in a scary world where people (yes, people, not companies) will try to take advantage of any weakness that exists. It happens all the time. We saw this with Windows endlessly and then Android. Apple's position may seem restrictive and self-serving in one light, but the outcome is the same — a safery, saner user experience. This is 100% Apple's choice to build into their products and services because it's ... drumroll please ... theirs, top-to-bottom. Consumers have a choice to use an alternative platform. Simple as that.

I can see you have drank the cool aid, moving between platform is a weak argument argument in 2021. Apple drive platform lock in harder than any other company. Google and Apple both need serious regulation for what they can and can not prevent users to do freely on their platforms.

The fact you think people are the problem and companies don’t take advantage of people only shows how much they have a hold on you.