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Buying a phone on a contract isn't a sale, it's more like a lease. I genuinely hope you're just being difficult and don't really believe what you're arguing.
Not arguing the merits of buying phones on contract or not, as that is an individual judgement call. All I am suggesting is the based on t&c the phone can be for the price stated above.
 
well if you are right about airpower, the answer to not being able design it so a phone could be dropped anywhere on it, is to use magnets and ensure you can only put it in one plac
Precisely my point. Thanks.
 
Not arguing the merits of buying phones on contract or not, as that is an individual judgement call. All I am suggesting is the based on t&c the phone can be for the price stated above.
So if I offered you a phone for $1 upfront that locked you into a $1000/day contract for 50 years, you'd still say the phone could be bought for a dollar?

The point I'm making isn't that phones subsidized by contracts are evil or that people who buy them are idiots, I'm just saying that you can't consider the upfront carrier price without taking into account the rest of the deal.
 
So if I offered you a phone for $1 that locked you into a $1000/day contract for 50 years, you'd still say the phone could be bought for a dollar?

The point I'm making isn't that phone contracts are evil or people who but them are idiots, I'm just saying that you can't consider the upfront carrier price without taking into account the rest of the deal.
Except that not is even close to the stated situation.
 
Except that not is even close to the stated situation.
It's an exaggerated example to prove a point. While the numbers are more extreme, the factors to consider are essentially the same; a lower initial price paid for by guaranteed future income that more than exceeds the upfront discount. This is the fundamental formula of carrier subsidies and it's exactly why buying phones on a contract is usually more expensive than buying a device and service separately.
 
To be fair:

- We don’t know what the charging speed will be like for the mini yet vs it’s battery capacity. This could more than fine.
- The mini is (likely) aimed at people who don’t spend 6+ a day in their phones (umm that’s probably all of us here 😂) ie they just want a small modern phone that they can carry and forget about. Therefore charging overnight and/or a quick drip charge will likely be fine.
 
Buying a phone on a contract isn't a sale, it's more like a lease. I genuinely hope you're just being difficult and don't really believe what you're arguing.

You aren't locked into contracts anymore. Verizon lets you unlock a phone after 60 days, as long as the phone is paid off and you aren't past due on your bill. Not sure what the other's policies are but probably similar.
 
You aren't locked into contracts anymore. Verizon lets you unlock a phone after 60 days, as long as the phone is paid off and you aren't past due on your bill. Not sure what the other's policies are but probably similar.
I'm not sure I follow - do they let you unlock your phone to accept other SIMs, or do they release you from your contract (i.e., you can throw away your SIM and not pay them a cent more after 60 days).
 
thanks for the link, direct quote from it:

"While this is impressive to say the least, real-world speeds will likely vary slightly. It’s also worth noting that no currently available Oppo smartphones — or other OEM devices for that matter — will be able to take advantage of the crazy fast charge speeds. "
 
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It's an exaggerated example to prove a point. While the numbers are more extreme, the factors to consider are essentially the same; a lower initial price paid for by guaranteed future income that more than exceeds the upfront discount. This is the fundamental formula of carrier subsidies and it's exactly why buying phones on a contract is usually more expensive than buying a device and service separately.
There are many variables and unless one does an all-in inclusive analysis over a few years, one won't know. Want to volunteer?
 
There are many variables and unless one does an all-in inclusive analysis over a few years, one won't know. Want to volunteer?
Volunteer what? I'm not going to hold your hand because you don't understand why carriers offer discounts. You can look into the numbers yourself, it's fairly easy math.

EDIT: just out of interest, I went through the process with Verizon, the lowest amount I can pay upfront to get an iPhone 12 from them $861. They charge $20 just to activate the phone (and that's half-off, it's usually $40), and then the cheapest plan I could while adding to cart find was $80/month. So if we're going with your a sale is a sale is a sale logic, the numbers aren't on your side.
 
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thanks for the link, direct quote from it:

"While this is impressive to say the least, real-world speeds will likely vary slightly. It’s also worth noting that no currently available Oppo smartphones — or other OEM devices for that matter — will be able to take advantage of the crazy fast charge speeds. "
Also...

"There is also the question of heat, higher charge speeds mean heat is a big problem. To help mitigate the heat generation, Oppo has added 10 temperature sensors to the 125W power brick for in-depth monitoring during the charging process."
 
For sure not easily. On the other hand, I was blessed being born with two hands, making plugging in a Lightning cable into my iPhone trivial.
‘We’ve calculated that plugging in a lightening cable to an iPhone burns an extra 0.095 kilocalories compared to using MagSafe.

So if you think of all of the energy that is being saved by us all not having to go to the extra effort of plugging in lightening cables, MagSafe is actually helping to save the planet!’

<<< What Tim Cook should’ve said the other week.
 
I'm not sure I follow - do they let you unlock your phone to accept other SIMs, or do they release you from your contract (i.e., you can throw away your SIM and not pay them a cent more after 60 days).
For example, you can by a Verizon iPhone 12 for $799, pay for two months of service through Verizon, and then get it unlocked and cancel service with Verizon. You are then free to use it with the wireless provider of your choice.
 
The single most specious argument against MagSafe.
true, they said now they are more or less same


 
Volunteer what? I'm not going to hold your hand because you don't understand why carriers offer discounts. You can look into the numbers yourself, it's fairly easy math.
In other words, what you said are just some generalities and until you can't really prove your original statement unless an analysis is completed. And additionally is does not appear you actually researched all of the facts.
 
In other words, what you said are just some generalities and until you can't really prove your original statement unless an analysis is completed. And additionally is does not appear you actually researched all of the facts.
You can say whatever you like, it won't make you right.
 
Have you heard of lighting cables having issues? Because the magsafe charger has the same attachment as the lightning charger. It's going to be bent because people will put their hands between the cable and the phone.

For me MagSafe solves the problem that eventually the lighting contacts stop working, but it retains the poor connection that is susceptible to issues when it bends.
I think the MagSafe charger uses USB C. I would be surprised if it was lightning especially since it requires a USB C power delivery charger. Even so Ive never heard of anyone personally bending the lightning connector, usually when people have lightning issues its the cable pulling out of the connector due to improper handling.

EDIT:

Looks like I was wrong, it is going to connect over USB C to Lightning.
 
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