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Covid 19 is really creating some unanticipated windfalls for some companies.
Worldwide, the bilionaires of the world have increased their wealth 25% since covid started.

Here in Australia, companies have had yet another record year of profits, while workers real incomes have declined, we have racked up $1T in debt, and the country is in it's first recession in decades.

We didn't go into recession during the GFC, due to some very clever targeted stimulus, and thus $250B debt, which some would scorn at as socialism.

This time we have a different government, and the stimulus has been very cleverly targeted mostly towards rich people, which some would scorn at as corporate welfare.
 
That doesn't always work from my experience.

For example, goto images.google.com. How do you CMD OPTION V to paste in the image file to do a reverse image search?
I generally just drag and drop the screenshot onto the "Choose File" button and it automatically uploads


And sometimes requires *slightly* more work. For example if you have Photos.app open and want to import a file to a particular album. Doing it the CMD C is as follows (From Photos.app):
1. Show Desktop (via five finger "expand" swipe)
2. Click on the file
3. CMD C
4. Show Photos again (via five finger "shrink" swipe)
5. Click on particular album
6. CMD V

Doing it the dragging way is as follows (From Photos.app):
1. CMD + Mission Control (show desktop)
2. Click and hold file
3. CMD + Mission Control (show Photos again)
4. Drop onto particular album

I know it's just couple of steps less, but every little time shaved off helps.
Wow, now I got it, you don't need the Mission Control button to access the Mission Control, you need it because you use it with the CMD key to access the desktop? I didn't even know about that key combination!

When I need to show the desktop I just... tap the Show Desktop button! I added it to the Touch Bar! The Mission Control button can be deleted because is accessible via swipe up with three fingers.
 
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because it was overblown. if enough people say it's bad when it really isn't and it causes a decline in sales, Apple had to provide extra assurance for the keyboard.

Apple never stated those "design adjustments" were to address any of the the "issues" that you're talking about. The 2018 "membrane" in the switches was never publicly announced to prevent any issues. it was overblown by the media and now you're taking it as a fact. you're kind of proving my point here. say it enough times and it becomes true in people's minds.

and you don't need to accuse me of being a shill. i've already stated the touchbar is problematic. why do you accuse everyone that disagrees with you of being shills?

Even if was not admitted publicly by Apple the membrane was to address failing keyboards it was admitted in there own internal document that it was to prevent dust debris from doing so. It was all over the web in 2018, including here on Macrumors: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/19/apple-confirms-2018-mbp-keyboard-prevents-debris/
 
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Wow, now I got it, you don't need the Mission Control button to access the Mission Control, you need it because you use it with the CMD key to access the desktop? I didn't even know about that key combination!

When I need to show the desktop I just... tap the Show Desktop button! I added it to the Touch Bar! The Mission Control button can be deleted because is accessible via swipe up with three fingers.

i mean that was just one example. i could grab a photo from my photos app and drop it onto a particular chrome window (which I usually have 10 open at the same time, so CMD+TAB isn't feasible). doesn't have to be from desktop.

i can't swipe up with three fingers when that hand is also holding on to dragged files.
 
30% and repeated failures after it is “fixed” is not overblown. You’re simply in denial.

Did you even read what you linked? Or do you just read headlines and don't even bother to check the details?

"after undertaking a survey of 47 staff using MacBooks at the company."
47? Stat101 suggests sample size is way too small. Say 99% confidence level with 50 million macs sold with butterfly switches, 47 people will have a margin of error of 19%. A 10% failure rate would still be far less compared with other manufacturers defect rate such as Dell and HP.

"Of the 1,590 votes cast at the time of writing this article, 50 percent indicated they hard an issue with their MacBook keyboards,"

Twitter polls are hardly credible as mentioned the article: "his strictly non-scientific approach". David Hansson has been extremely critical of Apple and his follower base will follow suit. Ask the same question to a Twitter account that praises Apple and you'll find the opposite outcome. I even tweeted out, as an experiment, on a spare 1-follower Twitter account "Who won the debate" and got 80+ votes for you-know-who after 1 hour.

Not to mention David Hansson hasn't been quite honest about their whole App Store fiasco with Hey, so I'd take his perspective to be extremely biased.

So it's evidence of nothing really.
 
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Even if was not admitted publicly by Apple the membrane was to address failing keyboards it was admitted in there own internal document that it was to prevent dust debris from doing so. It was all over the web in 2018, including here on Macrumors: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/07/19/apple-confirms-2018-mbp-keyboard-prevents-debris/

It says "prevent debris from entering the butterfly mechanism". Where does it say it fixes any issue?

If Apple found it fixes the issue, they would have said it publicly. That's why they didn't say it because it doesn't fix anything.
 
Did you even read what you linked? Or do you just read headlines and don't even bother to check the details?

"after undertaking a survey of 47 staff using MacBooks at the company."
47? Stat101 suggests sample size is way too small. Say 99% confidence level with 50 million macs sold with butterfly switches, 47 people will have a margin of error of 19%. A 10% failure rate would still be far less compared with other manufacturers defect rate such as Dell and HP.

"Of the 1,590 votes cast at the time of writing this article, 50 percent indicated they hard an issue with their MacBook keyboards,"

Twitter polls are hardly credible as mentioned the article: "his strictly non-scientific approach". David Hansson has been extremely critical of Apple and his follower base will follow suit. Ask the same question to a Twitter account that praises Apple and you'll find the opposite outcome. I even tweeted out, as an experiment, on a spare 1-follower Twitter account "Who won the debate" and got 80+ votes for you-know-who after 1 hour.

Not to mention David Hansson hasn't been quite honest about their whole App Store fiasco with Hey, so I'd take his perspective to be extremely biased.

So it's evidence of nothing really.
The guy who keeps crying about other peoples data and sources refuses to post any sources that support his own claims. You keep ignoring other people asking you to prove your claims and it hasn’t gone unnoticed.

It’s time for you to put up.
 
The guy who keeps crying about other peoples data and sources refuses to post any sources that support of his own claims.

It’s time for you to put up.

Go search David Hansson's twitter account and search for the term "Apple". Read through his BS.

Talk about denial. You'd believe anything that goes with whatever you're arguing for even if the data is unreliable. That's hilarious.

Sounds like you're biased and you're unwilling to accept the facts, so I'm going to end it here with you. Have a good one.
 
Sounds like you're biased and you're unwilling to accept the facts, so I'm going to end it here with you. Have a good one.
This is how he usually ends things when he is through stirring the pot, a key personality trait of the common bridge dweller. He knows there is no data to support any side as Apple does not release the data. Any reasonable person would acknowledge that the butterfly keyboard has/had a higher that normal failure rate, hence the need for the repair program. Apple is not in the habit of giving anything away for free so a blanket 4 year replacement program is all the evidence needed to know there was/is a problem. If there was no problem Apple would have handled it under the normal warranty.
 
Makes you wonder what percentage of those sales are so people will have a new legacy machine to work with when the ARM-based machines come along. I'm tempted but $4000 for a loaded machine makes me think twice particularly because you can't upgrade anything in it.
 
the keyboard was fine. butterfly issues were overblown i think and unnecessarily scared potential customers away. interestingly the post above me proved my point. as Steve Jobs once said about the enterprise market: "the people that make those decisions sometimes are confused".

i have more of an issue with the touchbar IMO. if I tapped on the mission control button too hard where my finger slightly slid on the touch bar, touchbar cancels mission control. annoying.
"The keyboard was fine". Tell that to the more than two dozen computers I've had to deal with for almost a year as an IT Technician at my current job. I've seen spacebars broken, random keys like "T" or "S" not working, etc. It's a mess and I still have to deal with them if they break down again because they're still in the office. Hell, I was still using a 2013 13" MBP until this May because I didn't want to own a computer with that crappy butterfly design. People I knew outside of work had problems with it too.
 
"The keyboard was fine". Tell that to the more than two dozen computers I've had to deal with for almost a year as an IT Technician at my current job. I've seen spacebars broken, random keys like "T" or "S" not working, etc. It's a mess and I still have to deal with them if they break down again because they're still in the office. Hell, I was still using a 2013 13" MBP until this May because I didn't want to own a computer with that crappy butterfly design. People I knew outside of work had problems with it too.
that's a small sample size. not definitive in proving there's widespread issue.

when i said "fine" i was talking in context of the comfort in typing. people hated it, but i think it's fine typing.

issues are overblown IMO.
 
the keyboard was fine. butterfly issues were overblown i think and unnecessarily scared potential customers away. interestingly the post above me proved my point. as Steve Jobs once said about the enterprise market: "the people that make those decisions sometimes are confused".

i have more of an issue with the touchbar IMO. if I tapped on the mission control button too hard where my finger slightly slid on the touch bar, touchbar cancels mission control. annoying.
2 of our 3 laptop keyboards failed.
 
Click and hold the file. Swipe up with three fingers.
doesn't work.

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it *seems* to work when i hold the files with index finger, then use middle, ring and pinky to swipe up, but for some reason it requires a wide swipe from bottom of trackpad to the top to make mission control appear. and when I cancel my mission control, my drag pointer is no longer able to move.

that's not really feasible to do IMO.
 
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selling my 2019 MBP 16” very soon. A windows laptop will replace it.
will be an early adopter of an AS lightweight laptop for my consumer needs and media.
 
The issues are clearly overblown even though the following happened from Apple:

1. Keyboard repair program
2. Switching keyboards in 2019

Your opinion contradicts actions Apple took 😉

No.

If I was CEO and an overblown issue was causing a decline in sales, I'd launch a repair program to ease any worries of reliability issues for potential customers and eventually switch keyboards back. Any CEO would do the same.

If you were to think objectively, you'd might see other possibilities. 😉
 
No.

If I was CEO and an overblown issue was causing a decline in sales, I'd launch a repair program to ease any worries of reliability issues for potential customers and eventually switch keyboards back. Any CEO would do the same.

If you were to think objectively, you'd might see other possibilities. 😉
Let's try to think objectively:
  • There is quite a lot of anecdotal evidence that the issue was widespread. I personally had to replace the keyboard 3 times and know many that had to replace the keyboard too. Even the Service guy told me it was a relatively common problem. Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything, but is still information worth of being considered.
  • Apple did issue a repair program: the reason which makes more sense is that the keyboard needed repairs due to lack of reliability. Trying to "ease any worries of reliability" by launching a repair program would be completely backwards: in fact the announcement was interpreted as Apple tacitly admitting the keyboard was unreliable.
  • Apple modified the design of the keyboard, claiming it was to make the keyboard more quiet but effectively preventing more dust from entering the keys, alleviating the issue. Teardowns did actually verify this. Apple ultimately ditched the design entirely and reverted to the previous one.
So, although only Apple knows the true scope of the issue, there are quite a few telltale signs that point at the issue being relatively widespread instead of merely overblown.
 
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