People would buy iMacs in the past because they were the most powerful macs you could get besides the MP, power users are smart enough to stay away from AIO's. The market for desktops is getting smaller and with current technology a laptop with a monitor is just as powerful and also as elegant as an AIO.
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Apple Says There Won't Be a 27-Inch iMac With Apple Silicon
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People would buy iMacs in the past because they were the most powerful macs you could get besides the MP, power users are smart enough to stay away from AIO's. The market for desktops is getting smaller and with current technology a laptop with a monitor is just as powerful and also as elegant as an AIO.
Well, you can't get more power user than me, and I like AiO's. (well spec'd ones anyway!). That HP was a 13900K with a good GPU. I have laptops too, but for a desk, I still buy desktops, no battery to puff up if it's plugged in all the time and less port plugs and unplugs so they last longer..
Obviously, but it's the way the industry is going unless you buy or build a traditional PC desktop. Even ThinkPads are shipping with soldered RAM these days. It is what it is.
There are some computers sold with soldered RAM. Some. Less than it was 5 years ago.
It's getting better, not worse. The only major manufacturer who does this for all their computers is Apple.
Who of course doesn't stop on RAM, but goes with SSD too.
This is what it is.
Very pro wanting to rock with a 27" 1080p monitor HP AIO. As for the the plugs, you do know you can easily get a set up that only requires one cable. Now for the wear and tear on the plugs, sounds like you need a laptop since you want to disconnect and reconnect it all the time. For the battery puffing up, you can set the battery to only charge to 50%, problem solved.
Why? Because Apple makes big money on those BTO Configs. That extra 8GB of RAM to go to 16GB might cost them a few bucks but they charge you $200.
I confined my statistics and comments to the Mac Desktop division and its performance and profitability. Which should not be confused or conflated with the profitability and performance of the entire company.
As a follow up, Tim Cook will be wanting concrete answers and solutions from the Mac Team and its PR wing on how to stop the sales hemorrhaging and the how the company can provide product solutions for its 27" iMac AIO user base. Clearly, as my posted data shows, 24" iMac, Studio and Mini are not the product solutions for those customers.
Moving forward, the clock is ticking for both the Mac Team and its PR wing...in three months time the next (Holiday) quarterly desktop sales numbers will get reported, anything other than a return to profitability and growth in the Mac Desktop Division will warrant and initiate executive action. In fact, Tim will know these numbers by the time he's sipping his New Year's Eve champagne and I cannot imagine any scenario where he'll be cheerily chortling "Ho, ho, ho!" over his holiday unit sales of Studios and Minis! LOL
And, I'll take this a step further, I'm sure Tim already has folks working on larger iMac chassis and they're already busy sourcing various-sized display panels, it's what CEO's do. (Which, as an aside, raises the question as to whether Apple's new 32" XDR panel slated for iMac is anywhere near production-ready yet?)
The PR Team's "no 27" iMac" "please buy our Studio instead" presser is, in corporate terms, nothing more than a prayer for marketplace redemption and a signal to everyone inside (and to the competition) that change will be coming to the Mac line-up.
My expectation, based on the failed "floaty cuff" release for Studio/Studio Display and an impending failed holiday Mac Desktop sales report, that iMac reemerges as the flagship Mac desktop next year in a variety of display sizes and chip configurations for the masses and that the stand-alone Minis and Studios become relegated to the custom-setup, er, crowd.
As my information shows, the PC world loves the AIO-model that Steve Jobs brought to market and Tim, I feel certain, is more than tired of them stealing his lunch.
My read on the corporate news.
Apple is trying reeeeaaaaally hard to push everyone who wants/needs a larger screen towards a Studio Display + Mac (studio) solution. As, even in the base Mini combination they'd be making more money.
They're not catering to demand but to shareholders. Simple as that.
And they're trying a tad too hard to rationalize it and convince us. I literally cringed during the recent Keynote when they really tried to sell the new 24" as a great replacement for those still hanging onto their 27"... like, HUH?!? Are you (aka Apple) actually SERIOUS right now?!? Such a facepalm moment.
27" is extremely widespread in academia. So they're just really trying to milk the cow to the extreme by pushing that huge market to the more expensive Studio Display solutions. Because, what choice do they currently have?
I like colors, green would be my choice
I've been missing colors ever since Apple tried a bit too hard to become "serious". I actually rejoiced when the 24" iMacs not only came out in colors, but included a WHITE option. I've been hating that grey and black iMac ever since I switched from my 2006 white one. It's such an iconic color for Apple. The black and grey just looks like every other desktop. I'd been really hoping for more colors for the MBA, but can live with the Midnight, as I like blue in all shades.
34" 5K actually, and it would have been one of many computers that I use at home.
Of course, I use a doc for my laptops at my desks, but that's still a plug and an unplug.
I have laptops like I said, I have desktops too. And I don't unplug my laptop all that much, but I have had port failures anyway. Never had a port failure on a desktop...
And have half the battery life, yeah, right. I actually have mine set to charge to 80% these days. It didn't help the last Macbook Pro I had (2017), but I think that was a bad battery to begin with.
Please do list those great display alternatives. Last time I researched this topic, there were *none* that came close in quality, never mind actually being cheaper.
MacOS renders differently.
Having worked on a 5k Retina display for so many years, and having to use non-mac Displays at the office, this is a quality criterium I'm not willing to compromise on and am willing to pay the premium.
You're going to be told something like the Odyssey G9 which is 5,120 x 1,440 is just as good (or better) like I was told earlier in here.
I tried to explain how the Studio Display at 5,120 x 2880 is infinitely better but it fell on deaf ears so I gave up.
Yep. This argument, that you *could* buy an off-brand display, that you don't *need* to buy the Studio Display, comes up in these threads every single time without fail. It's such a theoretical argument that has zero real world support.
It's quite amazing how frequently people parrot statements just because they want them to be true.
Yes. I didn't say they do this just because they are dicks about it. Obviously they do it for money reasons. Obviously, which is my main point, they don't do this for performance issues.
OMG, What is the battery life on an iMac, do you want a desktop or a laptop, sounds like you just move goalposts.
What model # is it, I looked on HP website and they only have 12 Gen with the 34" display
you said you almost bought this
"Well, you can't get more power user than me, and I like AiO's. (well spec'd ones anyway!). That HP was a 13900K with a good GPU."
From what I have seen on the HP website is the only AIO with a 13900K has a 27" 1080P,
No you said 5120 x 1440 was not 5K, that was incorrect. A 5120 x 1440 is better for some things and a 5120 x 2880 is better for others, it depends on your use case. I do agree that comparing the two is kinda silly since they have completely different target audiences.
"Zero world support"? Are you kidding me, look at all the threads on this website discussing third party monitors.
Which is exactly what I did. Not because I wanted to. Because I had no choice.
I asked you specifically to name some of those great alternatives.
People choose third party displays all the time. They might even genuinely be happy with it. But the truth is, they *are* quality compromises. Some people are willing to live with that. Others aren't. But no amount of sweet-talking it will change the fact that for macOS there is no* actual alternative that offers the same quality at a markedly cheaper price-point.
(*last time I've researched the topic, not sure what's up with that Samsung 5k monitor that came out recently)
"Yep. This argument, that you *could* buy an off-brand display, that you don't *need* to buy the Studio Display, comes up in these threads every single time without fail. It's such a theoretical argument that has zero real world support.
It's quite amazing how frequently people parrot statements just because they want them to be true"
This was a conversation with another person, what you said is false, there are many people that buy third party monitors.
As for your question to me, if YOUR requirement is 5120 x 2880 then there are not many options besides the Apple Studio Display. If your requirements are not a 5120x 2280 display, there are many options. I work with large spreadsheets and use 2 34" displays, that works for me. I don't care too much about pixel density, I need as much Horizontal real estate that I can get.
What are you even talking about, an iMac doesn't have that kind of battery and never did. We were mainly talking about iMac's in this thread, but in your zeal to say I wasn't a pro and belittle my desire for an AiO, I brought up other machines I own and use in addition to the iMac. The battery comment was just about one of the foibles of owning just a laptop, even if you have an external monitor. (that and the ports wearing out)
Can't find it now, I must have misremembered, but even a 12th gen would be an upgrade from anything else I have as long as I got enough RAM with it. But like I said, I didn't buy it, though it's interesting with a 5K monitor and i9 available. I really want smaller than a 34" screen.
Ask yourself why you are talking about battery life when we are talking about a Laptop which will be connected to power 24/7. If you will also be using the Mac without "mains power" then an iMac is the worst possible computer. The only reason I mentioned keeping the power at 50% was so that the battery does not degrade which was one of your concerns.