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Apple Says Touchscreen Macs 'Not a Particularly Useful or Appropriate Application of Multi-Touch'
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Yes, in W8.... and now it's great.
That's the horror show that Apple, sadly, still has to go through. It'll happen. Everyone knows it will happen.
As a digital artist/designer, I'm very curious about your experience with the Surface Studio. How was it? Was it like to interact with it? Have you tried the Surface Dial device?
Disclaimer: I own an iPad Pro and Wacom Intuos4 tablet so I'm only asking out of interest in relation to this new product.
Stupidest comment of the thread. Being a kernel engineer does not qualify you to make product design decisions. And secondly they programmed the Touch Bar, so they obviously had units.
What's so incredible about it? It looks cool, but seems to have some strange design decisions (no all SSD, PPI less than the iMac 5K, no USB-C or Thunderbolt). I can understand the attraction for artists, etc but I do believe a lot of people will buy it because it looks cool but then find it's not actually that special (and it's hugely expensive)
The product is excellent to use. The build quality is also excellent. I will say this for Apple, if I give their build quality a 10 for their iMac, the Surface studio also gets a 10. My Apple pencil gets a 10, the Microsoft pen gets a 9. The microsoft keyboard also gets a 10. The surface dial also gets a 10. The dial is phenomenal. No lag, very intuitive. Photoshop was not installed on the machine I tested briefly, but some other photo program was and I can say editing photos will now be easy beyond easy. One of the best features of the Dial, is that you can just pick it up and place it anywhere on the screen depending on where you need it.
I wish the Studio had a thunderbolt connection, but that is because I already use a thunderbolt, external raid for my Macs. I will need to switch to a USB 3.0 external raid. As others have pointed out, the Studio does not have absolute state-of-the art connectivity. But file transfers and backups are such a very small part of how I interact with my hardware, I don't really care if that stuff takes a few more seconds on USB versus Thunderbolt.
How I interact with the hardware is extremely important to me. And on this level, my iMac is a 7, and the Surface Studio is easily a 10 for sure.
Hope this helps.
I find fusion drives to be a great performer for the £££. I can't justify £1000 for ssd upgrade like in the new MBP . Less PPI, would you notice outside the spec sheets, no USB-C is an andvsntage at this point, and no Thunderbolt...not an issue with PC users as they used to expandability in thier PCs . Thunderbolt has very limited Uptake in the PC world, only major one being egpus, it's more received in macs, cause we get Bugger all ports. I only got a USB hub to compensate the ports my macs do not have .....not a problem with my PC desktop
That is because you are assuming the touchscreen control surface is the vertical portion. It's when you realize the power in interactive, application-specific control surfaces on the horizontal, that multitouch begins to become truly useful, paired with a high-res vertical display.
...they don't walk up to the big vertical display waving and smearing their hands around all over it on a spaceship, do they... they use detached, horizontal, interactive, application-specific control surfaces. This is what Apple should be building, in desktop/laptop form. The miniature touch strip is basically that, just in a size and position less functional, with a typewriter still attached, and a redundant trackpad.
This kind of reminds me of Apple fighting the big screen iPhone. Yes, a lot of us wanted one made by Apple and waited for them to do so. I'm not willing to wait five more years for them to decide now it's time for me to have a touch screen laptop.
I'm really leaning towards an HP Spextre x360. I just need to read some more reviews about the battery life. The Dell XPS looks nice, but it's plagued by the same coil whine as the iPhone 7s.
I'm really leaning towards an HP Spextre x360. I just need to read some more reviews about the battery life. The Dell XPS looks nice, but it's plagued by the same coil whine as the iPhone 7s.
I've got a fusion drive on my iMac and agree performance is great. However, does the surface studio operate as a fusion device or 2 separate drives? Having said that, for the cost of a surface studio, I could get an all sad iMac which is why I questioned it
IMO Unless you need the specific features of the surface studio, it's not good value for money and beyond the fancy hinge it's not exactly revolutionary either.
I'm not averse to microsoft products and have a surface book, but I just don't understand why the surface studio is being portrayed as a panacea of design and innovation
I have owned Cintiqs in the past as well. I think you will unfortunately find that Microsoft has a much better implementation for this type of product than Cintiq.
The zero gravity screen on the Studio is awesome. It truly is extremely easy to maneuver and place at the exact angle you want. The Cintiq is nice for the dedicated buttons and controls on the side . . . . . but the Surface Dial is very intuitive and easy to use.
I promise I am not trying to turn you against the Cintiq. They have been a reliable tool for me as well for many, many years.
Depending on how you look at it, Apple never fought a bigger screen iPhone. They simply needed that much time (~3 years) to ensure that it was ready for the market.
And technically, a touchscreen Apple laptop really exist in the form of the iPad Pro.
Oh, I'm sure you're right.
I'll wait until next year (when it updates to Nvidia 10, and any kinks are ironed out) but I suspect Microsoft has ended my Cintiq/Apple combo.
Apple fiddles while Microsoft burns Rome.
Depending on how you look at it, Apple never fought a bigger screen iPhone. They simply needed that much time (~3 years) to ensure that it was ready for the market.
And technically, a touchscreen Apple laptop really exist in the form of the iPad Pro.
Unfortunately, the IPad Pro cannot run Pro apps and that's why digital artists like me are on the fence about switching.
Depending on how you look at it, Apple never fought a bigger screen iPhone. They simply needed that much time (~3 years) to ensure that it was ready for the market.
And technically, a touchscreen Apple laptop really exist in the form of the iPad Pro.
Yeah, maybe for Tim Cook an iPad Pro is fine, but I can't run VMware Fusion on the iPad Pro. I need a MacBook for that.
Nothing beats my Magic Trackpad and it is way more useful than touching the screen.
It just sound as excuses to me.
Anyway I don't see much use for a touchscreen on a laptop since the angle is not optimal... but things are different on the iMac if you take an approach similar to the Surface Studio. But this is really applicable to creatives. The average user won't find much use on a touchscreen right now.
Anyway I don't see much use for a touchscreen on a laptop since the angle is not optimal... but things are different on the iMac if you take an approach similar to the Surface Studio. But this is really applicable to creatives. The average user won't find much use on a touchscreen right now.
Apple is toast in a few years if they do not fire Tim Cook and Jony Ive. What they need is a guy who is a jerk with vision like that guy who they let go a while back for the maps problems. He was just a scapegoat.
Sorry but frosted glass is a horrible UI design. They need either offer a UI that you can skin or go back to the non-flat design language. I am not suggesting AQUA but this flat stuff is so boring.
A CEO does not have to build consensus from differing points of view. He needs to create the vision and pick one implementation out of those on the table offering critique until they get it right.
Sorry but frosted glass is a horrible UI design. They need either offer a UI that you can skin or go back to the non-flat design language. I am not suggesting AQUA but this flat stuff is so boring.
A CEO does not have to build consensus from differing points of view. He needs to create the vision and pick one implementation out of those on the table offering critique until they get it right.
Solution - full convertible allowing the screen to lay flat against the 'base' or a removable screen... + pen input, of course.
That is seriously ****ed up borderline time travel ****. Best comment of the year on Apple.