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Apple Screwing its Customers Re: 16 GB
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But it's better HARDWARE! Isn't that what matters?
You've been focusing only on specs haven't you...
Because you say so? Maybe early on you'd have a point but certainly not today.
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But it's better HARDWARE! Isn't that what matters?
Please. All things being equal, more IS better than less. Especially for a cheaper price.
32 GB storage > 16 GB storage
3 GB RAM > 1 GB RAM
SD card slot > No SD card slot
So your point MUST be that Ios is worth the premium? To me that is simply asinine.
so why does the iphone with 1gb ram outperform many phones in benchmarks with 2gb or 3gb ram? isn't more always better?
Wrong.
Look at the stats only on paper:
32 GB storage > 16 GB storage
3 GB RAM > 1 GB RAM
SD card slot > No SD card slot
Look at the facts.
Well, let's see here. Literally tens of millions of people stepped up to the plate to buy the latest iphone when there are multiple higher spec and lower cost options.
Maybe there's something more than just the hardware specs that's driving those purchasing decisions. (I don't know about you, but I don't care how much horsepower a car has or how great its fuel economy might be -- if the drivers seat is a pain in the azz, I'm buying a different car.)
Some technophiles, particularly the younger ones who haven't had enough social interaction outside their close group of fellow technophiles, aren't able to grasp that there much more to a product than what's under the hood. The general population really don't give a hoot what's inside the box so long as it can do what they want and they can find a way to afford it. Granted there are some who treat a brand name as a status symbol, much as some propeller heads attach their self-identity to a particular brand, but by and large most people buy what they feel will work, with a dose of staying with what's familiar so long as it's not so limiting as to make them look elsewhere.
Network effects (not talking data communication) also have a real effect at dissuading people from switching to a different platform; but even the resistance only goes so far before people will move. Blackberry learned that one the hard way, and by the time they learned their lesson it was too late to realistically catch up.
That a small percentage of geeks is complaining is to be expected. Apple doesn't really give a crap about pleasing the 1%. Adding $1 production cost to tens of millions of phones when it only matters to a very small percentage is a big step backwards. They clearly understand they're not going to please everyone, and that it'd cost more to do so than they'd gain in additional revenue.
Get me a violin
If they're screwing you then don't buy it.
Yup. They are a business and the #1 goal of a business, make money!
They aren't burger king.
Psst. (Whispers) Burger King is also a business, (looks around and leans in) not an actual king.
I think Apple is in a bad spot with this because if they decide to up the base model, there will be literally millions of people who decide not to buy up. That means $100s of millions of dollars left on the table. Plus, most of that is profit. Apple would have a hard time reversing this decision because they always want to have the best year ever.
On the other hand, they are hurting the customer sat by people not being able to download the newest OS, and the space issue is clearly one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption is lagging. And if they can't get there customers on the laters OS, that hurts developers too.
You can't ask Apple to stop pricing things smartly to increase the ASP, that has always been their MO, but they need to find another way that doesn't hurt customers that don't pay up. This is why I think it's in everyone's best interest that Apple gets more into the fashion business. Then they can prove things based on the materials and build, but the internals are all the same, like the Apple Watch.
I would love to see Apple decide to charge up for materials like gold, and leave the inside the same, that way everybody's happy. The people that buy the aluminum don't have their experience crippled.
On the other hand, they are hurting the customer sat by people not being able to download the newest OS, and the space issue is clearly one of the reasons why iOS 8 adoption is lagging. And if they can't get there customers on the laters OS, that hurts developers too.
You can't ask Apple to stop pricing things smartly to increase the ASP, that has always been their MO, but they need to find another way that doesn't hurt customers that don't pay up. This is why I think it's in everyone's best interest that Apple gets more into the fashion business. Then they can prove things based on the materials and build, but the internals are all the same, like the Apple Watch.
I would love to see Apple decide to charge up for materials like gold, and leave the inside the same, that way everybody's happy. The people that buy the aluminum don't have their experience crippled.
3) People with unlimited data plans (e.g., Sprint customers with the iPhone for Life plan), large data buckets or who spend most of their time connected to Wi-Fi. Those make it practical to store most of their photos, music, etc. in the cloud.
If you want a premium product, you pay a premium price. I paid full price for my iPhone 6 128gb and iPad mini 64gb
This could also be so that the 6S will have more appeal if they decide to go 32/64/128 next year. I think they should go 16/64/256 for those prices though.
Like dude said above though, they're in this to make money, and they're very good at it considering they're back and forth being the most profitable company on the planet.
Like dude said above though, they're in this to make money, and they're very good at it considering they're back and forth being the most profitable company on the planet.
Lol
Exactly, even though you can have it your way at burger king they are still in the business to make a profit.
Because benchmarks don't typically use a whole lot of RAM. A 1GB and 2GB phone will perform the same until you use more than 1GB memory
Right. Well I would disagree that an iphone a premium product
And I think many on this board would disagree with you. Depending on how you identify a premium product. Is a premium product one that sells out as soon as they get them in? Is a premium product one that people line up for and even camp out for? What is your definition?
You'd define an iPhone as a premium product? I dunno, something about a Chinese mass produced consumer electronic built buy the same people that make competing smartphones filled with the competing companies parts (Samsung) and/or parts they use doesn't ring premium for me personally.
Of course it is premium. These phone LITERALLY COME IN GOLD. If thats not premium no phone is.
Think about just relative to its own market competitors.
A "non-premium" phone is something like this:
On a larger scale, how else would you consider anything premium? If its not Gucci or Prada or Rolls Royce? Then no electronics are premium by that measure. Nor MacBooks, iPads, Samsung, anything. Maybe some HiDef Home sound equipment or a $20K Sony 4K projector?
You can even get premium burgers at Burger King, relative to a regular burger.
Think about that. Premium can be in anything.
Maybe you guys are confusing "premium" with "luxurious."
But even for that it would have to be something custom made beyond the scope of regular consumers if its gonna be better than an iPhone 6 Plus. There is nothing on the market more premium than that.
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"But Apple is not a short-term business. They're a long-term business, built on a relationship of trust with repeat customers."
1) no MBP with upgrade able RAM, nor a realistic upgrade of Storage.
2) makes the iMac too thin, and removes user upgradeability on base model.
3) makes the nMP a total departure from prior version, removing a lot of useability customers loved, in order to make an IVE designed trash can.
4) keeps ALL iOS devices at 16 gigs base.
5) "updates" the mini by removing quad-core option, locking up the case, soldering in the RAM, and limiting storage.
Sorry, Apple has been ruining the relationship of trust with it's repeat customers for a while now. They are entirely a short-term and planned obsolescence company now.
1) no MBP with upgrade able RAM, nor a realistic upgrade of Storage.
2) makes the iMac too thin, and removes user upgradeability on base model.
3) makes the nMP a total departure from prior version, removing a lot of useability customers loved, in order to make an IVE designed trash can.
4) keeps ALL iOS devices at 16 gigs base.
5) "updates" the mini by removing quad-core option, locking up the case, soldering in the RAM, and limiting storage.
Sorry, Apple has been ruining the relationship of trust with it's repeat customers for a while now. They are entirely a short-term and planned obsolescence company now.
Your conclusion is overblown but to respond to the points, they are all just a list of things poor people used to do to bypass the costs of upgrades.
And even as that was a benefit in a time when Apple had less market share, now we are in a place where we don't and shouldn't think about messing with our computers in the old school way anymore, just like you wouldn't treat your phone like a hot rod and put mods and stuff on it.
It was always cheating in a way to do that anyway but it was necessary to "compete" price wise when there was still the stigma of closed system by people who didn't fully embrace it.
By now we are ready to let go of all that and just buy what we need and have the whole lifecycle of it be based on what we get out of the box as a tool for productivity.
It's cleaner this way and the majority of the masses never modded their laptops anyway so it's only natural to do this.
The last thing that was worth it was dual drives in uMBPs and getting more ram in the days when it wasn't at 16 by default.
Now it's a lot to ask due to how thin the devices are anyway.
This doesn't diminish trust and is a reasonable and expected evolution that only a handful of us are even aware of as a lost option.