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Apple Seeds Fifth Beta of iOS 10 to Developers [Update: Also Available for Public Beta Testers]

HJM.NL said:
I'm already using whatsapp. It's cross platform. I don't know why Apple is putting that much effort in a messaging app only few people use. I'm very happy that they do, don't get me wrong but there are so much other apps that need attention more. Unless they make iMessage cross platform :)
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By "Few people use" did you mean the few 10's of millions of people that use it?

Side note: I don't live in the US.
 
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HJM.NL said:
I'm already using whatsapp. It's cross platform. I don't know why Apple is putting that much effort in a messaging app only few people use. I'm very happy that they do, don't get me wrong but there are so much other apps that need attention more. Unless they make iMessage cross platform :)
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The vast majority of iPhone users have no idea what WhatsApp is.
 
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So what's with the 'either/or' approach to iMessage? I use it with a host of families/friends in the states, but also use whatsapp in Central America where I travel frequently. Both have their places, and both are useful.
 
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rdlink said:
Your statement makes an assumption that's not true. Hundreds of millions of people use Messages on their iOS devices and Macs. And there is no way that Apple is ever going cross platform with it. Why would they give up one of the main draws to their hardware?

FYI: I have a friend who is a total Android geek. He recently, within the last 5 months or so started using an iPhone in addition to his Nexus. He is not shy at all about criticizing iOS, but one of the things he told me the other day was that the thing he really misses when he's using his Android is Messages.
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I like iMessages, the only problem I have here is that 9 out of 10 people are on Android. Even friends who have an iPhone use whatsapp. Only becease they can speak to the rest of the country.
 
Jakexb said:
The vast majority of iPhone users have no idea what WhatsApp is.
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As I said before... When you don't live in the US 9 out of 10 users are on android. Propably even more. So as much as I like messages it's useless unless you'll use it as sms.
 
Jesse1414 said:
By "Few people use" did you mean the few 10's of millions of people that use it?

Side note: I don't live in the US.
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Well you have to adept to what the majority is using if you want to communicate. If that was messages, I would use it as my primary message platform. Unfortunately 9 out of 10 are on android over here and that makes messages quite useless unless you'll use it as a sms service.
 
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Based on what?
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Exactly. WhatApp is the most popular app for messaging. As of february 2016 it has 1 billion users. One of the main reasons is that SMS remains too expensive. I´d love to use iMessage, but everyone I know (including people who own iPhones, which represent the majority of my friends and acquaintances) use WhatsApp.
 
Where do you live? In Sweden at least 50% use iPhone. I would say 90% of my friends use iPhone and 75% of my colleagues use iPhone.

HJM.NL said:
I'm already using whatsapp. It's cross platform. I don't know why Apple is putting that much effort in a messaging app only few people use. I'm very happy that they do, don't get me wrong but there are so much other apps that need attention more. Unless they make iMessage cross platform :)
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Is everyones (who has a 6s) messages features working? When you force touch that blue arrow to send a message, you get the options to send it with effects, etc.

No matter how hard I force touched, the sub menu does not pop up for me. I thought it was just beta 4 that somehow disabled it but it still doesn't work in beta 5.
 
lucasrant said:
Exactly. WhatApp is the most popular app for messaging. As of february 2016 it has 1 billion users. One of the main reasons is that SMS remains too expensive. I´d love to use iMessage, but everyone I know (including people who own iPhones, which represent the majority of my friends and acquaintances) use WhatsApp.
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Apple doesn’t get nearly enough credit for the way iMessage basically forced carriers in the U.S. to drop the cost of SMS to almost nothing, or nothing. And the way FaceTime made it possible to communicate with people in other countries without paying crazy high fees. (Yes, I know Skype and others did it too, but it wasn’t built in and didn’t have much mobile traction. There is a huge advantage when things are built into the OS). Before iMessage came along, SMS plans were way too expensive here as well.

And you can add Canada to the list of countries in which plenty of people use iMessage. All of my family does. Bottom line: lots of the world prefers cheaper Android devices and uses WhatsApp. Millions of iPhone users prefer the built-in Messages app. We can all get along. I’m sure of it.
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OKBatman said:
You can add song to Play Next, but I still don't see star rating accessibility.
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I really hope Apple restores this. Surely I’m not the only one who uses star ratings extensively to create playlists. A binary like/don’t like doesn’t really help in that regard. I get that they’re trying to emulate the simplicity of social media apps like Facebook and whatever, but this is not that kind of app. Trying to emulate social media functionality is a category error.
 
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They moved the app icons about on the home screen.
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nurban1992 said:
Based on previous OSs, GM probably won't be until the last week of August or the first week or September. Usually, it's very close to when they have their keynote.
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The GM I think is the same day as the keynote.
 
OKBatman said:
You can add song to Play Next, but I still don't see star rating accessibility.
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yeah... but in the iOS9 version, after adding a song to "play next", you could put another song after that one (at the end of the "play next" queue) with an option that said "add to play next", which was removed. Now you only have the option to press the "play next" option again, which adds the song to the before to the previous one (at the top of the list), which is annoying.
 
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Updating now. 298.5 MB moving from Beta 4 on a 6S.
After finally eliminating the horrible battery draw issues I was having by performing a fresh install instead of OTA update from 9.3.3, the only thing I'm really not loving is the loss of "Swipe to Unlock" from the lock screen. Because of the way I use my phone, I can't always unlock with Touch ID, so swiping left and then tapping in my passcode has become second nature. Now when I swipe left, however, it opens up the camera instead and I have to stop and think about how to unlock now. This is needlessly frustrating and I wish Apple would just go back to swiping up from the left corner to open the Camera app, and swiping left to unlock with passcode. Why they felt this needed to be changed is beyond me, but there it is.
 
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