Apple Seeds Fifth Beta of macOS Sierra to Developers [Update: PB4 Now Available for Public Beta Testers]

[brainkilla]

Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

Just press Alt and you can expand the window, I don't find it a very hard thing to do

 

[coolfactor]

Look, I don't use it and neither do the 100 people in my office use it and many other people on this forum. Nobody needs nor wants it. I'm asking to simply add the OPTION of changing the green button behaviour to make windows maximize without hiding the dock and file menu up top because they are NEEDED.

Sounds to me like Windows or Linux might be better operating system for you? They have the Maximize button that you are looking for.

It's always been considered that power users find keyboard interaction more efficient than mouse and trackpad, and yet you stated in your other thread that you don't want to have to touch the keyboard when pressing the green button. So where is your left (or right) hand while the other one is on the mouse? I'm genuinely curious because maybe that's some good feedback for Apple?

Let me ask you these:

• Do you use the Application Switcher? (Cmd-Tab)
• Do you know that the Dock appears when you move your mouse to the edge of the screen in Full-Screen mode?
• Do you believe that no keyboard interaction should be needed to navigate around the operating system?
• Do you ever press the Esc key? I ask this because it's an immensely useful key to "cancel" your last action. It's been this way for 30+ years, but many non-power users don't even know what it does. So knowing if you use it in your day-to-day computing will go a long way to helping us understand your interactions with the computer, and why you find the mouse pointer to be so important.

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Which is why said there needs to be an OPTION.

I don't understand why I keep have to repeat myself, are you guys even reading the full post? Just add an OPTION to change the behaviour in system preferences... maybe like this:

We hear you, but but we also see the strong bias AGAINST something so simple as holding down the Option key. For those of us used to this very simple action (because our hands are always on the keyboard already), we are puzzled about your passion.

Have you sent this feedback to Apple? www.apple.com/feedback/ or via the Feedback Assistant app?

 

[TMRJIJ]

Which is why said there needs to be an OPTION.

I don't understand why I keep have to repeat myself, are you guys even reading the full post? Just add an OPTION to change the behaviour in system preferences... maybe like this:

We're not in anyway implying that there shouldn't be an option to change this button. You were just being really subjective over such a small thing as holding down the Option key. We all have our preferences for how we work and you have to respect that.

 

[thermodynamic]

Honestly I feel so relieved about this. Because since beta 4 I've been having more issues than with beta 3. Three crashes already since last week (compared to none with beta 3). Pretty bad. Of course I know it's a beta, so 'I shouldn't complain'. But the fact that beta 3 seemed more stable than beta 4... That's not good, right?

Hope this one fixes those issues.

Apple says "You're welcome for the free labor you give us".

 

[Thunderhawks]

I still don't understand their icon design... an icon should be symbolic, easy to identify in black-and-white. The Siri icon is not that. Why not a simple microphone? Do they think that people will confuse it with something else?

And why not be consistent?

For the aTV there is also only a microphone on the remote.
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Because Siri is not a microphone

Siri is also not ocean waves as in that icon, but a microphone is clearly telling you to speak.

May just write SIRI on that icon?

 

[leman]

Face it, nobody is going to support Vulkan.

1st, only AMD is supporting it, meaning only about 50% of the Windows market.

Vulkan is fully supported by AMD, Nvidia and Intel, on both Windows and Linux.

However, Metal makes more sense for OS X. I hope that Apple will release more tools that make it easier to port between Vulkan and OS X (e.g. SPIR-V support).

 

[anymouse617]

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

Doesn't this already exist? Command + x and Command + v

 

[bladerunner2000]

Doesn't this already exist? Command + x and Command + v

Nope. You have to play boxing with your keyboard and press ctrl+c (same as copying) and then ctrl+opt+v to paste. It's pretty stupid. No other software does it this way.

 

[Ener Ji]

Metal is the way.

Face it, nobody is going to support Vulkan.

1st, only AMD is supporting it, meaning only about 50% of the Windows market.

2nd, DirectX 12 will be the standard on Windows PC's and Xbox.

Telling developers that Vulkan is okay is a shot in the foot, will rule out future nVidia cards, which the majority would prefer, and currently are better for laptops.

Why do you think no one will support Vulkan? It seems to be well supported by Nvidia, in addition to AMD and Intel. Look at Nvidia extolling how much work they have put into Vulkan:

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/02/16/vulkan-graphics-api/

Could you elaborate on why supporting Vulkan would limit Apple's options for future GPU support?

 

[anymouse617]

Nope. You have to play boxing with your keyboard and press ctrl+c (same as copying) and then ctrl+opt+v to paste. It's pretty stupid. No other software does it this way.

This isn't right. I'm literally using it in Finder right now.

 

[Zirel]

Vulkan is fully supported by AMD, Nvidia and Intel, on both Windows and Linux.

However, Metal makes more sense for OS X. I hope that Apple will release more tools that make it easier to port between Vulkan and OS X (e.g. SPIR-V support).

They'll dump it once DirectX 12 wins.

 

[bbeagle]

Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

What are you talking about? I have 2 large screens in my office and make most things full screen.

It's a lot easier to have 3 full-screen programming editors, and to swipe left and right through each screen than open/close and move around windows.

 

[RamGuy]

Hmm.. After upgrading my girlfriend's MacBook 12-inch from Mac OS X El Capitan 10.11.6 to macOS Sierra 10.12 Dev BETA5 it prompted and told me that I need to disable the use of iCloud password as the login password on her Mac.

All I have to ask.. Why? I'm running macOS Sierra Dev BETA5 on my MacBook 12-inch as well and I'm using iCloud password for login and have never gotten this prompt?

We do like to have our iCloud Password and Mac passwords linked. I can't see any reason why Apple would suddenly require this to be disabled? I'm not able to re-activate it on her Mac either, the option does not show when trying to change password in the System Preferences.


Meanwhile on my Mac I'm still using the iCloud Password option and I still see the option when I go to my System Preferences. Awkward..

 

[bladerunner2000]

What are you talking about? I have 2 large screens in my office and make most things full screen.

It's a lot easier to have 3 full-screen programming editors, and to swipe left and right through each screen than open/close and move around windows.

That's nice. Some of us use hot corners for Mission Control. Again, I'm asking for an option that will never affect you.

 

[Ener Ji]

They'll dump it once DirectX 12 wins.

DirectX 12 is not cross-platform. There is a need for a low-level graphics API on Android, on desktop Linux, etc. Developers who plan cross-platform applications (including games) can benefit from using the same API across all platforms. Seems likely that it's going to be here to stay.

 

[emm386]

Honestly, I have so far failed to find a OS X / macOS / whatevertheycallitnow release AFTER Snow Leopard that didn't feel like a beta version..

Every release after 10.6 was either slow or buggy or both.

Renaming the OS to macOS will, unlike thorough testing, proper coding and optimization, not help the operating system to get any better but just shows how distanced from reality Apple has - unfortunately - become.

 

[Ener Ji]

I'm curious whether APFS has been updated since the first developer preview, or if anyone has been testing APFS extensively since the first preview. Anyone know of any sites or bloggers that are delving deep into APFS on an ongoing basis? I read a few technical deep-dives published soon after APFS was released in beta, so I'm looking for ongoing real-world experience.

 

[CarpalMac]

Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

Yes, Yes, Yes. I thought I was alone with wanting both of these, particularly the maximise button.

 

[djcode24]

still installing after at least an hour...think it froze

 

[bbfc]

Honestly, I have so far failed to find a OS X / macOS / whatevertheycallitnow release AFTER Snow Leopard that didn't feel like a beta version..

Every release after 10.6 was either slow or buggy or both.

Renaming the OS to macOS will, unlike thorough testing, proper coding and optimization, not help the operating system to get any better but just shows how distanced from reality Apple has - unfortunately - become.

Mavericks was pretty solid for me. By far the best performing OS X version on my MBP.

 

[keysofanxiety]

Honestly, I have so far failed to find a OS X / macOS / whatevertheycallitnow release AFTER Snow Leopard that didn't feel like a beta version..

Every release after 10.6 was either slow or buggy or both

This really, really, really isn't true at all. I don't know where to start. 10.6.8 was very stable. But so was 10.9.5. So IS 10.11.6.

If there was a 'bug' in a later OS that wiped all the user data after activating a guest account, as SL had, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Granted, the worst OS I've encountered so far was Lion. That was an utter disaster.

Regardless, I fear you may have a short memory for OS bugs, or you're wearing rose-tinted glasses.

 

[Supertaff]

Updated to new beta and seems initially to be more stable and little bit more responsive. One thing I've noticed is that Siri didn't work very well on Beta 4 for me, this seems to be much better now and the whole side bar interactions and voice recognition seems better.

Early days, but no crashes or instability so far for me on a 2015 MacBook 12.

 

[S G]

Option key makes the fullscreen button the maximum instead....

The option key + green button is not a solution: it does not maximize the window in Safari, only makes it shrink to the lower left corner or to fill half the screen; and it doesn't work in Excel either, where you have to double click the ribbon instead, which only works partially in Word. It was much easier before, and much more consistent.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Mavericks was pretty solid for me. By far the best performing OS X version on my MBP.

Same here. I wish I could go back.

 

[32828870]

I still don't understand their icon design... an icon should be symbolic, easy to identify in black-and-white. The Siri icon is not that. Why not a simple microphone? Do they think that people will confuse it with something else?

I've hated OS X icons sine 10.7. In fact, I now disable SIP after upgrades and replace 95% of the icons with ones I've used since 10.7, especially that vibrant blue folder icon. They're all over the place.