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Apple Seeds Fifth Beta of macOS Sierra to Developers [Update: PB4 Now Available for Public Beta Testers]

emm386 said:
Honestly, I have so far failed to find a OS X / macOS / whatevertheycallitnow release AFTER Snow Leopard that didn't feel like a beta version..

Every release after 10.6 was either slow or buggy or both.

Renaming the OS to macOS will, unlike thorough testing, proper coding and optimization, not help the operating system to get any better but just shows how distanced from reality Apple has - unfortunately - become.
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keysofanxiety said:
This really, really, really isn't true at all. I don't know where to start. 10.6.8 was very stable. But so was 10.9.5. So IS 10.11.6.

If there was a 'bug' in a later OS that wiped all the user data after activating a guest account, as SL had, we wouldn't hear the end of it.

Granted, the worst OS I've encountered so far was Lion. That was an utter disaster.

Regardless, I fear you may have a short memory for OS bugs, or you're wearing rose-tinted glasses.
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Agreed. I specifically experienced that bug. Now I keep backups everywhere to the point where I'm paranoid if there isn't a spare Hard Drive nearby when I working. All because of that stupid OS that everyone thinks is the pinnacle of 'perfection'
Selective memory is selective.
 
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bladerunner2000 said:
Nope. You have to play boxing with your keyboard and press ctrl+c (same as copying) and then ctrl+opt+v to paste. It's pretty stupid. No other software does it this way.
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Dude, OS X doesn't use ctrl for shortcuts. You use the command key. Cmd-C to copy and Cmd-V to paste. To move you use Cmd-Opt-V after copying. This isn't stupid at all, it's more sensible in fact, since you never leave the system in an indeterminate state. Instead you leave the decision about whether to duplicate or move the file to the last step. This avoids faffing about with things like "fading out files which are to be moved" in favor of atomic actions. Maybe think about it for a second instead of just going "waah waah it's different from what I'm used to".

(The only complaint I'd make is that moving files is less discoverable through menus, since you'd have to somehow know to hold the option key down before the menu shows the appropriate action. It wouldn't kill Apple to have all the possible actions listed, rather than making menus change depending on what keys you might be holding down. Can't figure out any logic behind that, since it makes things harder to find.)

--Eric
 
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Hi,

How to update 10.11.6 into 10.12 dev beta without making boot disk? is it possible?
 
ike1707 said:
It sounded like they maybe changed the standard commands for then. Wouldn't be the first time. 15 years ago they changed funders new folder command from command + N to
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Changing key commands for copy/paste after 32 years of command-c/command-v would be so damaging to users' efficiency, there's no chance this would happen.
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Pudlo said:
Hi,

How to update 10.11.6 into 10.12 dev beta without making boot disk? is it possible?
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Download the installer through the app store once you've redeemed it, and install, same as any other major OS upgrade.
 
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Eric5h5 said:
Cmd-C to copy and Cmd-V to paste. To move you use Cmd-Opt-V after copying. This isn't stupid at all, it's more sensible in fact, since you never leave the system in an indeterminate state. Instead you leave the decision about whether to duplicate or move the file to the last step. This avoids faffing about with things like "fading out files which are to be moved" in favor of atomic actions.
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Right on, brutha! It's about file security, and this is better practice.

I suspect all this Ctrl-C brouhaha is a subtle troll…. Either that or Windows migrants looking for consistency over thoughtful and considered development (after all, MS are the kings of legacy support, terrified to lose an inch of ground through irreversible change to the OS).
 
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I'm getting 'No update found'...
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So I've stayed away from betas since way back when, but now I have a free machine to try this out on. The first thing the installer said was "49 seconds remaining...", and it kept up the 'seconds remaining' error through the whole 15-20mins. Not encouraging.
 
Mine wont update. I click update, then confirm with "download and restart", it shows the cancel button for a few seconds then returns to "update"
 
DHagan4755 said:
A week between beta updates. How's this beta feeling? Is it feeling like it's nearing golden master?
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Things are nearing the GM as time goes on given that the GM will be released at the iPhone event that should be happening next month.
 
Seth707 said:
Mine wont update. I click update, then confirm with "download and restart", it shows the cancel button for a few seconds then returns to "update"
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Then why don't you use the direct links in apple's developer forums instead? That is what most people do when they have trouble doing it via the mac app store.
 
tywebb13 said:
Then why don't you use the direct links in apple's developer forums instead? That is what most people do when they have trouble doing it via the mac app store.
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I am in using the Pubic Beta and its happening the same..
I don't think im able to enter the developer forum with my non-developer account
And try to download from there
 
tywebb13 said:
Then why don't you use the direct links in apple's developer forums instead? That is what most people do when they have trouble doing it via the mac app store.
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Gabrielpappa said:
I am in using the Pubic Beta and its happening the same..
I don't think im able to enter the developer forum with my non-developer account
And try to download from there
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Yep, just public beta here. I restarted my apple router as a stab in the dark, even though nothing else was having an issue, and it was able to start downloading. But its going REALLY slow on my 300mb connection.
 
chrfr said:
Changing key commands for copy/paste after 32 years of command-c/command-v would be so damaging to users' efficiency, there's no chance this would happen.
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was pretty much my exact school of thought
 
Delorean2006 said:
I'm glad I wasn't the only one having a lot of issues, constant crashes and also the computer would randomly just run super hot and make the fans go right up to max by just opening notes or mail. Resetting the SMC and PRAM never helped either. Hopefully there's a lot of stability added to this beta.
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It's obviously something that you're doing. Perhaps you have a hacky utility installed as the betas are all about fixing bugs that are found this late in the development cycle. The software is generally stable and this is all about fixing stopper bugs. Hence, it's not likely that you're suffering these issues with a vanilla install.
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bladerunner2000 said:
And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?
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ctrl+x/v didn't come along until years after Apple properly defined what copy/paste should be mapped to in 1983.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?
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you just have to press alt/option to change the behaviour of the green button... ¬¬
 
adbe said:
What are you talking about? Firstly, it's CMD not CTRL, if you've been messing around with your key-mappings, probably you should start looking there first; secondly, as has been mentioned repeatedly: CMD+C CMD+V will copy and paste a file in Finder. No need for the OPT key.
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He's referring to cut (or move) not to copy. This guy was ranting about this since I started browsing this forum so there's no point trying to reason with him.
 
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coolfactor said:
Since you said "default" behaviour, then you know that Option-clicking the green button gives you the traditional Zoom (which is not always the same as Maximize) behaviour. Some apps do Maximize, others just Zoom to accommodate the content shown in the window.

Full-screen is very useful with multiple Spaces or desktops. Four fingers swipe left-and-right to switch spaces. It's a very useful workflow. Or multiple monitors to achieve the same thing. Combine that with split-screen view (each of which is always "full-screen" in its own rightful size), and you have a blend between full-screen and multiple windows in the same space.

Overall, it's a very powerful and flexible window-management feature set. Spaces used to confuse me to no end, but they really cleaned up their behaviour.
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Personally I would like to see something like this:

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bladerunner2000 said:
You're assuming desktop users have a trackpad. None of those features you mention matter at all to those who have zero desire to use them, and there are MANY people like that. The mouse is still the better pointing device on a desktop.
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It's useless to those who don't need it, but Apple enforces it without any workaround for 'choice'.
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So the 100 people in my office building are all wrong just because YOU like it? I didn't say remove the feature. I clearly said adding an OPTION to change it.
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This is what I would like to see:

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
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hojx said:
Really, are you trying to recreate your thread here?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/green-button-maximize-not-full-screen.1891942/
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This is what I would like to see:

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
[doublepost=1470806257][/doublepost]I think Apple needs to implement something like this:

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
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ppcebay said:
No but Sys preference > Dock > Double click window's title bar to set zoom ....and there you have both features green button full screen title bar for zooming....
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https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
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drumcat said:
I think it's time for the blue button.

A dedicated Full-Screen button, where the green button does its original max-window thing.

Just my 2¢
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https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
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ksnell said:
Agreed. Should be able to show or hide by default much like the dock can be changed in system preferences.
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Here is how I would fix this issue:

You get the best of all possible worlds

https://forums.macrumors.com/attachments/request-png.644132/
 
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