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Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen?

No but Sys preference > Dock > Double click window's title bar to set zoom ....and there you have both features green button full screen title bar for zooming....
 
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Do you mean the commands for copy/cut/paste? They're still there.
It sounded like they maybe changed the standard commands for then. Wouldn't be the first time. 15 years ago they changed funders new folder command from command + N to
 
Nope. You have to play boxing with your keyboard and press ctrl+c (same as copying) and then ctrl+opt+v to paste. It's pretty stupid. No other software does it this way.

What are you talking about? Firstly, it's CMD not CTRL, if you've been messing around with your key-mappings, probably you should start looking there first; secondly, as has been mentioned repeatedly: CMD+C CMD+V will copy and paste a file in Finder. No need for the OPT key.
 
Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

Tldr: here are some conscient Apple design decisions that I will bash for now and if they change, I'll accuse them of copying Windows.
 
They'll dump it once DirectX 12 wins.

Says who? Do you have any credible information on this? Vulkan has been designed by the industry to be the contemporary successor to OpenGL. It propose is much wider than games on Windows. It replaces OpenGL/OpenGL on wide variety of platform and OSes and is strongly backed by both the hardware manufacturers, software clients and large platform providers such as Valve. Nobody ever dumped OpenGL and it was in truly sorry state. Why should they dump Vulkan which is so much easier for IHV's to implement and maintain?
 
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Says who? Do you have any credible information on this? Vulkan has been designed by the industry to be the contemporary successor to OpenGL. It propose is much wider than games on Windows. It replaces OpenGL/OpenGL on wide variety of platform and OSes and is strongly backed by both the hardware manufacturers, software clients and large platform providers such as Valve. Nobody ever dumped OpenGL and it was in truly sorry state. Why should they dump Vulkan which is so much easier for IHV's to implement and maintain?

Nobody says.

I'm telling you.
 
Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

I think it's time for the blue button.

A dedicated Full-Screen button, where the green button does its original max-window thing.

Just my 2¢
 
Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

That is possible by cmd+c & cmd+option+v ;)
 
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You're assuming desktop users have a trackpad. None of those features you mention matter at all to those who have zero desire to use them, and there are MANY people like that. The mouse is still the better pointing device on a desktop.
Couldn't disagree more with you. On my iMac it is the Magic Trackpad 2 and it's gestures that make OS X a pleasure to use.
But, each to his own.
 
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Have they finally given the option to change the default behaviour of the green button to expand to maximum instead of going fullscreen? I have 100 people in my office building and nobody uses fullscreen on a laptop or desktop, they all hate it. There's NO point in fullscreen on a large screen.

And what about a proper cut/paste command (ctl+x / ctrl+v) in Finder? Is System Integrity Protection still screwing over developers like TotalFinder?

If you hold alt/option, the green button expands the windows rather than full screen. Not sure when it was implemented, but I'm running 10.11.6.
 
This really, really, really isn't true at all. I don't know where to start.
Perhaps I can assist. My GF upgraded her MBP to El Capitan. Told her not to, but who am I tell her what to do... ;-)
Ever since, this is the new situation:

- Her MacBook doesn't go to sleep. Ever. It will suspend to disk, yes. But then it takes about a minute or more to wake back up. Sleep though it will not. Unfixed by Apple. Yes, there ARE a couple of SUDO-terminal commands that claim to solve the situation for one person or another, but really now?

- "Exposé" takes literally 3 seconds to comply on a cluttered screen with many windows. Not always, but very often. I reboot and it's gone...for a while. But it comes back...Really now? Frequent reboots?

- El Cap eats her RAM for breakfast. More that 2 GB on a idle desktop. For what? If the OS offloads into RAM to speed things up, I would be fine. But it doesn't.

- Disk Utility used to be a swiss army knife that I LOVED to use to mount, modify or create images of the most broken, non-standard volume or disks in SL. As of El Capitan, its ABSOLUTELY useless. Yes, I am aware that there are SUDO DISKUTIL - terminal commands... But really now?

If there was a 'bug' in a later OS that wiped all the user data after activating a guest account, as SL had, we wouldn't hear the end of it.
I had it. Wasn't aware of it until it happened. Very, very bad, first hand experience. But when I recall correctly, it was fixed, wasn't it?
 
I like fullscreen, but I have another issue with it - I hate that the menu bar disappears. I'd love an option for the menu bar to be "always on". For crying out loud - many of us have have enormous size monitors, hiding the menu bar gives negligible vertical pixels, but so much annoyance when you just want to glance the time, change some setting fast etc.


Agreed. Should be able to show or hide by default much like the dock can be changed in system preferences.
 
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This.

Has the advantage of being consistent with the behavior on Microsoft Windows as well.

Except that Mac OS is inconsistent across the board;
  • sometimes the green button expands to maximum
  • sometimes it expands to full screen
  • other times it expands to the max required based on content
  • other times it expands but not to maximum or full screen and DOES NOT display all the content
It's a problem and Apple doesn't care to fix it.
 
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Except that Mac OS is inconsistent across the board;
  • sometimes the green button expands to maximum
  • sometimes it expands to full screen
  • other times it expands to the max required based on content
  • other times it expands but not to maximum or full screen and DOES NOT display all the content
It's a problem and Apple doesn't care to fix it.
If only all developers followed Apple's guidelines....(but then again even Apple doesn't sometimes).

It is hardly Apple's fault if a 3rd party does not comply though!
 
Has anyone had any success getting Junos Pulse working yet? It's the one thing stopping me from moving to Sierra as a primary-yet-test machine.
 
Sounds to me like Windows or Linux might be better operating system for you? They have the Maximize button that you are looking for.

It's always been considered that power users find keyboard interaction more efficient than mouse and trackpad, and yet you stated in your other thread that you don't want to have to touch the keyboard when pressing the green button. So where is your left (or right) hand while the other one is on the mouse? I'm genuinely curious because maybe that's some good feedback for Apple?

Let me ask you these:
  • Do you use the Application Switcher? (Cmd-Tab)
  • Do you know that the Dock appears when you move your mouse to the edge of the screen in Full-Screen mode?
  • Do you believe that no keyboard interaction should be needed to navigate around the operating system?
  • Do you ever press the Esc key? I ask this because it's an immensely useful key to "cancel" your last action. It's been this way for 30+ years, but many non-power users don't even know what it does. So knowing if you use it in your day-to-day computing will go a long way to helping us understand your interactions with the computer, and why you find the mouse pointer to be so important.
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I'd love to see some stats about that thing

What people do the most on that specific button

CMD + Click or just click ?

If more people do the CMD+Click then why not invert them? 1 HW press instead of 2 for what you do the most

I don't know if i sounded clear, my english is weak
 
Perhaps I can assist. My GF upgraded her MBP to El Capitan. Told her not to, but who am I tell her what to do... ;-)
Ever since, this is the new situation:

- Her MacBook doesn't go to sleep. Ever. It will suspend to disk, yes. But then it takes about a minute or more to wake back up. Sleep though it will not. Unfixed by Apple. Yes, there ARE a couple of SUDO-terminal commands that claim to solve the situation for one person or another, but really now?

- "Exposé" takes literally 3 seconds to comply on a cluttered screen with many windows. Not always, but very often. I reboot and it's gone...for a while. But it comes back...Really now? Frequent reboots?

- El Cap eats her RAM for breakfast. More that 2 GB on a idle desktop. For what? If the OS offloads into RAM to speed things up, I would be fine. But it doesn't.

- Disk Utility used to be a swiss army knife that I LOVED to use to mount, modify or create images of the most broken, non-standard volume or disks in SL. As of El Capitan, its ABSOLUTELY useless. Yes, I am aware that there are SUDO DISKUTIL - terminal commands... But really now?


I had it. Wasn't aware of it until it happened. Very, very bad, first hand experience. But when I recall correctly, it was fixed, wasn't it?

Does your girlfriend have an SSD in her Mac? Sounds like almost all the issues would be fixed by that.

If they do have an SSD, I'd be curious to see what their uptime is. Very curious, in fact. Even if 'reopen windows' is disabled on their machine. What you've described is far from synonymous with daily drivers.

RAM usage on OS X has been covered time and time again. The more RAM the computer has, the more OS X will try to utilise in order to prevent paging to disk. "Idle" RAM will mean recently used apps open quicker. Just because it shows as being 'used' doesn't mean the OS is a resource hog. That's fundamentally misinterpreting how OS X works.

It's far more frustrating on Windows when you have ample free RAM, but it will continue to use the page file for every single application, as its memory management is absolute crap. It just doesn't adapt to the amount of resources you have.
 
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