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I can't imagine Stage Manager is that big of an overhaul to command a month delayed release vs. iOS? Must be due to new hardware launching in October.

I guess September will be Phone, Watch, accessory (AirPods?) and Home (Apple TV, HomePod?) related, and we'll see iPads and Mac sin October.
Besides an upscaled weather app there's literally nothing else in it. The 'major' iOS16 feature (lockscreen) doesn't even make it to iPadOS!
 
Will there be a public beta? I don't want to keep my iPad on 16.0!!

Do I need to do anything to get 16.1? Will I get a software update if i'm on 16.0 Public Beta or do I need to download a new profile?
 
Only for M1 models.

Because Apple cares so much about user experience and Apple knows better because we are not engineers, so if Apple says something we must all accept it and shut up, according to macrumors users on here.

And “not accepting it” will do what?
 
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I wonder if any Beta testers out there can guesstimate which issue(s) are the big hold up in Stage Manager or elsewhere? I for one want a the most stable, official, release possible. If Apple hamstrings my M1 iPadPro under the new release I guess I'll have to buy the M2 iPad ;)

Check out Steve's twitter thread here:

There's few people on the planet that have as much insight into actually how all of this works, let alone how to fix it. People might not agree with him all the time, but one thing he's better than most at is explaining why something works or doesn't. Outside of folks that work at Apple, there's few that can dig into specific code to see (and sometimes fix!) the issue.

iPadOS 16.1 comes with Safari 16.1. I would expect iPadOS 16.1 and iOS 16.1 to be released at the same time in October with the same build number.

The today's Xcode release doesn't come with a new macOS SDK, which, to me indicates that there won't be a new macOS Ventura beta this week as well. Although less likely, I won't be surprised if the official release is 13.1, instead of 13.

I would wager to guess that the iPad's Stage Manager issues are bleeding over to the macOS side of things. And then probably with so many folks working on Stage Manager (for both iPadOS & macOS), they're probably glossing over some other issues that need to be addressed, at least from what I've seen. I expect beta issues while running a beta, but the macOS betas have gone from 'alright' to worse to bad to 'better' and then back again.
 
Apple’s never had a fear of cannibalization of a product. In fact, the iPad is ALREADY cannibalizing the MacBook Air because a lot of folks with simple use cases are buying iPads (2 to 1 over Macs).

Well they didn’t used to have that fear under Jobs. Cook seems a lot more afraid of it. And there’s an argument to be made that the people buying those iPads were not choosing between that or a Mac. As much as Apple keeps wanting to say they are, they are not comparable.
 
Only for M1 models.

Because Apple cares so much about user experience and Apple knows better because we are not engineers, so if Apple says something we must all accept it and shut up, according to macrumors users on here.
Ok then, why don’t you go and get stage manager running on an older iPad and prove it doesn’t run badly?
 
Well they didn’t used to have that fear under Jobs. Cook seems a lot more afraid of it. And there’s an argument to be made that the people buying those iPads were not choosing between that or a Mac. As much as Apple keeps wanting to say they are, they are not comparable.
Yet, Here we are!
iPad!
Cannibalizing the MacBooks!

That’s the thing, they likely weren’t choosing between that and a Mac because most people in the world don’t want a Mac. They actively buy systems that are NOT Macs.
 
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Well they didn’t used to have that fear under Jobs. Cook seems a lot more afraid of it. And there’s an argument to be made that the people buying those iPads were not choosing between that or a Mac. As much as Apple keeps wanting to say they are, they are not comparable.
Uh no. Cook has specifically said that he feels the iPad Pro is a laptop and desktop replacement.


"I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Cook told The Telegraph in an interview. "No really, why would you buy one?"

Cook insisted that "the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people" who will "start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phone."
 
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Uh no. Cook has specifically said that he feels the iPad Pro is a laptop and desktop replacement.


"I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" Cook told The Telegraph in an interview. "No really, why would you buy one?"

Cook insisted that "the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people" who will "start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phone."

Yeah I know he says that. And for his line of work it's probably even true. It's not true for the vast majority of people who do computer work. Not yet. We may be headed in that direction but we are far, far from there. We're about as close to that as we are the paperless office.
 
Can we give Apple a break? Obviously, this is the result of the WFH transition and every industry is affected by it to some degree, Apple notwithstanding...
Push back the release date then. The WFH transition is a lame excuse why they can't properly release their new OS. They have numerous bugs all the time so not like they release a perfect OS anytime anymore.
 
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Really wish Apple wouldn't reinvent the wheel here. Just bring Mac-like multitasking to the iPad.
 
Really wish Apple wouldn't reinvent the wheel here. Just bring Mac-like multitasking to the iPad.
Or...go one step further and just open-up the bootloader to dual-boot and allow users to dual-boot between macOS and iPadOS....boot into macOS for the multi-tasking and mult-window support, and boot into iPadOS for the portability aspect....

Best of both worlds, and we all know this can be done since both OSes now support AS....so the architecture isn't an issue...
 
Or...go one step further and just open-up the bootloader to dual-boot and allow users to dual-boot between macOS and iPadOS....boot into macOS for the multi-tasking and mult-window support, and boot into iPadOS for the portability aspect....

Best of both worlds, and we all know this can be done since both OSes now support AS....so the architecture isn't an issue...

I'd personally love that. The issue is that Apple doesn't want iPad to eat into their Macbook sales. Apple makes more money when you buy both. Apple didn't become the world's richest company by having their own products eat into their own sales.
 
Apple didn't become the world's richest company by having their own products eat into their own sales.
I would disagree. I believe it was Steve Jobs or some other C-suite executive who said that they prefer that their products cannibalize each other rather than having an outsider do it to them.

Hence why, the iPhone ate into the iPod sales and eventually dominated and overtook it.

Phil Schiller on 60 minutes:
"You need each of these products to try to fight for their space, their time with you." "It's not a danger, it's almost by design.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-on-cannibalization-2015-12
 
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I would disagree. I believe it was Steve Jobs or some other C-suite executive who said that they prefer that their products cannibalize each other rather than having an outsider do it to them.

Hence why, the iPhone ate into the iPod sales and eventually dominated and overtook it.

Phil Schiller on 60 minutes:

Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-on-cannibalization-2015-12

That was Jobs' Apple. Cook is a different kind of leader. He's about maximizing value, not about changing the world.
 
That was Jobs' Apple. Cook is a different kind of leader. He's about maximizing value, not about changing the world.

I assure you Jobs wouldn't have been into the idea of having an iPad that dual-boots. He set them up as two different platforms in the first place.

He could've done a tablet Mac. He didn't.
 
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