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This is why Steve tried to perpetuate a pro model and a non-pro model of the Mac.
The Mac Pro and MacBook Air both ran the same software. There wasn't really anything more or less pro about either one except for the specs.
I think another user on this thread had a good idea: make them an optional install for those who use them. Why bog down your phone with features you don't use?
Because you need a minimum user base to make them work.

It's the same logic as how I can airdrop files or share notes with another iOS user, without needing to first check if they have said feature installed. Saves on a ton of unnecessary assumption and guesswork, which in turn helps ensure that said feature gets used more.

How is asking how a particular gadget or feature beneficial the wrong question? It's a practical question one should ask before investing in a piece of equipment, particularly at Apple's prices.
I find I can't really give a short answer to your question. I thought it was fairly straightforward, but the more I tried to verbalise my thoughts, the more convoluted it got. Here goes.

Terms like "beneficial" mean different things to different people.

You used the terms "efficient" and "more productive", which while being tangential with "beneficial", isn't necessarily analogous. You want your device to do more, and don't mind incurring more complexity for it. Apple makes it so that users can do more with less, or at least do the same thing with less.

Let's compare Pages and Word as an example. Pages has maybe like 10% of the features that Word has, but those are the 10% I really ever use. What I get in exchange for less functionality is a streamlined interface which is easier to navigate and more aesthetically pleasing. Now, "It just looks better" isn't a benefit which I can quantify into a numerical value the same way you argue "my app has 10 features over your 5", but it's one which has a positive impact on the way I use said app.

In addition, I find I don't experience many of the problems I traditionally faced with Word, such as formatting and alignment problems. I generally spend less time fighting Page's interface compared to Word, which results in less time wasted and improved productivity overall. I voluntarily gave up more functionality in exchange for fewer problems and headaches.

The end result is that while Word undeniably lets me "do more", I still find myself gravitating towards Pages whenever I can because it's what I prefer and what I am comfortable with. What Apple has done here is decide on a streamlined list of features which they feel are the most important to the end user and dump the rest. Unlike Microsoft who just dumps everything into their software and leave it to the consumer to sift through everything and figure them out on their own.

That's what I pay Apple to do - make the hard decisions for me as to what (they think) I need and don't need so I don't need to. Does Apple always make the right call? Not always, but they get it right enough times than not that I am content to sit back and let them call the shots in this regard.

Pick your poison, because you can't have both.
 
Where is the 4k+ on single core and 10k+ on multicore in real usage? I thought that the games wll start faster at least

Youtube test... Good grief. Wait for an actual review. Any "test" (sic) on Youtube can be gamed 20 different ways, including in picking the "real world" test (arbitrary real world is more precise).

If there is a network dependency to those things, no matter what speed you get you'll get the same result. That's why those tests are useless to the max and just made to gets clicks.

Your actual usage is most important to how it goes than any of those tests, but at least tests from reputable sources, like Anandtech, try to be bias free.
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I think your sentiment is shared by many here. Sadly, I think Apple is now getting their ideas by putting a bunch of 50 something men into a room and white boarding "what are all the kids into these days?" as a way to come up with ideas for their iOS updates. :-(

Or maybe they're following the unicode standard... And you should complain to those people and not Apple.
 
Don't understand the point of these incremental updates where they put 5-10 new emojis every time. They coulda easily put an "emoji package" into Appstore free to download and left it to user's choice.

It's what apple focuses on these days, emoji. We might joke, but people could care less about performance improvements etc, tell them an update has new emoji, they get excited and update. The iPhone is turning into a giant emoji communication platform
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We don't care about emoji's we want messages in the cloud!

Tell me about it. It's a joke that in 2017 loose your messages if you do a restore.
 
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Where is the 4k+ on single core and 10k+ on multicore in real usage? I thought that the games wll start faster at least

i8 has 2GB ram , pixel 2 has 4 , do the math on which is more efficient/optimised. also on that test the results are very close, you cannot say that the iphone is slow.
 
So now people have had the weekend to play around with it is the battery drain issue improved? Probably the single (non intentional) issue I have with 11
 
Where is the 4k+ on single core and 10k+ on multicore in real usage? I thought that the games wll start faster at least
Stopped watching after this guy took a picture with the camera and didn’t turn off the front flash on the iPhone and then said the pixel was faster.
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I think your sentiment is shared by many here. Sadly, I think Apple is now getting their ideas by putting a bunch of 50 something men into a room and white boarding "what are all the kids into these days?" as a way to come up with ideas for their iOS updates. :-(
Statement is not applicable to me. I like new emojis and it’s my educated opinion apple resources are such it’s not new emojis OR bug fixes. However some people (maybe not all) want a device that can be used in fun ways.
 
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Clearly their beta program is not working out for Apple.

I mean sure, if you are an app developer you want to know if the next update breaks your app and so you can write a fix for it, but rolling out a Beta and blog sites reporting about all the new emoji is part of the problem with this program. It's full of vapid users trying to get access to the absolute latest Apple features before everyone else, and then failing to test or report even the most trivial of issues that are introduced with every iOS release.

If the program moved away from people just wanting to see what Apple is doing next and focused more on quality beta testing, then perhaps every major iOS rollout would stop being a complete disaster for many users.
I have been thinking this too. I also think they arnt doing usablitly testing. I teach seniors how to use Apple products in my own company and it’s getting harder and harder. It’s not intuitive to them any more. Used to be you would put an iPhone down in front of a senior they would pick it up and know what to do.
 
Yeah sure, that would be a great headline.

“Apple breaks up Unicode - makes users download it in portions”

Also, what’s to suggest there isn’t a huge swath of updates in the code outside the most obvious ones? I just installed it last night and I noticed already huge improvements in portrait mode and lighting. So who knows what’s going on under the hood.
 
Where is the 4k+ on single core and 10k+ on multicore in real usage? I thought that the games wll start faster at least
Another proof that Apple has lost the speed crown in real live usage. Also scrolling on the iPhone seems like scrolling through mud. Notice the stutter... something definitely shouldn’t happen with a flagship phone. Also the brightness looks darken and not vibrant. This is what Tim Cook is meaning with ‘best’.
 
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Clearly their beta program is not working out for Apple.

I mean sure, if you are an app developer you want to know if the next update breaks your app and so you can write a fix for it, but rolling out a Beta and blog sites reporting about all the new emoji is part of the problem with this program. It's full of vapid users trying to get access to the absolute latest Apple features before everyone else, and then failing to test or report even the most trivial of issues that are introduced with every iOS release.

If the program moved away from people just wanting to see what Apple is doing next and focused more on quality beta testing, then perhaps every major iOS rollout would stop being a complete disaster for many users.

You should be annoyed at how the paid beta testers are doing their job. Public, unpaid beta testers dont owe anything back.
 
When I downloaded and installed this beta, it deleted all my pics. Now it's re-downloading them....
 
Another proof that Apple has lost the speed crown in real live usage. Also scrolling on the iPhone seems like scrolling through mud. Notice the stutter... something definitely shouldn’t happen with a flagship phone. Also the brightness looks darken and not vibrant. This is what Tim Cook is meaning with ‘best’.
It’s actually proof the Youtuber doesn’t know what he’s doing. Stopped watching after he said pixel was faster but left the iPhone flash on. Real life usage the iPhone 8 is still miles ahead of the competition, but nice spin.
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Clearly their beta program is not working out for Apple.

I mean sure, if you are an app developer you want to know if the next update breaks your app and so you can write a fix for it, but rolling out a Beta and blog sites reporting about all the new emoji is part of the problem with this program. It's full of vapid users trying to get access to the absolute latest Apple features before everyone else, and then failing to test or report even the most trivial of issues that are introduced with every iOS release.

If the program moved away from people just wanting to see what Apple is doing next and focused more on quality beta testing, then perhaps every major iOS rollout would stop being a complete disaster for many users.
Nice rhetoric but no substance behind this post.
 
These emojis within the system update is a total joke, which says something about how far Apple has gone lost

More representative of your state whinytude... But, hey, just my opinion.. About your whining.
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i8 has 2GB ram , pixel 2 has 4 , do the math on which is more efficient/optimised. also on that test the results are very close, you cannot say that the iphone is slow.

4 or 2 is not relevant, the "test" (sic) is pure garbage as are 99% of Youtube so called reviews.
Nothing you see on youtube like that should be taken at face value, and in particular when it comes to Apple.
 
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I really hope they fix the battery life with this. So far one charge cycle later it seems slightly better and the phone is less warm. But definitely warmer than the last iOS 10 release.

My iPhone 5’s juice is drained within 60 minutes. 10 minute podcast listening=5% battery gone... IOS 11 sucks big time.
 
These emojis within the system update is a total joke, which says something about how far Apple has gone lost
It says that different things get updated in updates. Doesn't really say anything more than that.
 
We don't care about emoji's we want messages in the cloud!
No, I want Pro emojies so I can effectively communicate with other professional Mac users from my iPhone.

Because now I feel like I got swindled since my Mac Pro and MacBook Pro use the same emojis as my consumer iPhone.

The iPhone X will also need Pro emojis.

Don't eff this up, Apple. We're counting on you to focus on what matters!
 
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It's what apple focuses on these days, emoji. We might joke, but people could care less about performance improvements etc, tell them an update has new emoji, they get excited and update. The iPhone is turning into a giant emoji communication platform
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Tell me about it. It's a joke that in 2017 loose your messages if you do a restore.
Yeah, it's not like there anything else in updates aside from emojis.
 
The Mac Pro and MacBook Air both ran the same software. There wasn't really anything more or less pro about either one except for the specs.

Because you need a minimum user base to make them work.

It's the same logic as how I can airdrop files or share notes with another iOS user, without needing to first check if they have said feature installed. Saves on a ton of unnecessary assumption and guesswork, which in turn helps ensure that said feature gets used more.


I find I can't really give a short answer to your question. I thought it was fairly straightforward, but the more I tried to verbalise my thoughts, the more convoluted it got. Here goes.

Terms like "beneficial" mean different things to different people.

You used the terms "efficient" and "more productive", which while being tangential with "beneficial", isn't necessarily analogous. You want your device to do more, and don't mind incurring more complexity for it. Apple makes it so that users can do more with less, or at least do the same thing with less.

Let's compare Pages and Word as an example. Pages has maybe like 10% of the features that Word has, but those are the 10% I really ever use. What I get in exchange for less functionality is a streamlined interface which is easier to navigate and more aesthetically pleasing. Now, "It just looks better" isn't a benefit which I can quantify into a numerical value the same way you argue "my app has 10 features over your 5", but it's one which has a positive impact on the way I use said app.

In addition, I find I don't experience many of the problems I traditionally faced with Word, such as formatting and alignment problems. I generally spend less time fighting Page's interface compared to Word, which results in less time wasted and improved productivity overall. I voluntarily gave up more functionality in exchange for fewer problems and headaches.

The end result is that while Word undeniably lets me "do more", I still find myself gravitating towards Pages whenever I can because it's what I prefer and what I am comfortable with. What Apple has done here is decide on a streamlined list of features which they feel are the most important to the end user and dump the rest. Unlike Microsoft who just dumps everything into their software and leave it to the consumer to sift through everything and figure them out on their own.

That's what I pay Apple to do - make the hard decisions for me as to what (they think) I need and don't need so I don't need to. Does Apple always make the right call? Not always, but they get it right enough times than not that I am content to sit back and let them call the shots in this regard.

Pick your poison, because you can't have both.
Well said.
 
Don't understand the point of these incremental updates where they put 5-10 new emojis every time. They coulda easily put an "emoji package" into Appstore free to download and left it to user's choice.

For compatibility reasons.
 
Feedback was still in my iPhone 7 after installing the latest beta... it disappear after remove the beta profile (just remove the profile, no reboot needed)
You must be on the public channel. It works differently between DEV and PB for whatever reason. PB, remove profile and Feebback goes away. Dev, it automatically goes away when the GM build is installed.
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You should be annoyed at how the paid beta testers are doing their job. Public, unpaid beta testers dont owe anything back.
Why do you guys keep assuming the devs and testers are doing a poor job? All they can do is find the bugs and report them. If Apple chooses to ignore them for 17 updates or never act on them at all, then that's on them not the folks who reported the issues for 17 versions. Lets put the blame where it belongs, squarely on Apple.
 
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