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Well Match is back up and running for me, and guess what?

Its still crap.

It doesn't work any better than it did during the first beta.

Oh and as a bonus, battery life (I'm NOT one of those affected by poor life on the 4S) is absolute garbage. I listened to about 10 songs from 10 AM to 1 PM and went from 100% to 35%.

Absolutely worthless product.
Those musta been hella long songs.



Michael
 
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This is what I get when I completed iTunes Match. Nothing in my library has a Cloud icon next to it.
 
I think you might be on to something. I had no idea that "free" track was only at 48kbps but that is what it is.

I would reencode at 128 but it would only be to see if bitrate is a determining factor in being ineligible.

Before I do... does anyone else have any not eligible tracks and if so are they below 128 kbps?



Michael

All of my ineligible tracks were either voice memos or mp3's with a bitrate of 80kbps or less.
 
I had about 600 songs that needed uploading our of a total of about 7,500. And those tracks were ones you'd expect to be absent from the iTunes store.

I also have the issue on a few albums where all the songs will match except for one.

The one thing I don't understand is how they choose to match an Explicit song and a Clean song. I didn't think about this until Gwen Stefani - The Sweet Escape matched the clean version when I have the regular version.
 
I was only able to see the cloud icon when viewing songs on my iPhone. Only a few tracks on my MBP shows a cloud.

I enabled iTunes Match on my iPad and everything is there. In the previous Beta the Cloud icon appeared in the iTunes library. Seems to work well thus far. Not entirely sure if all songs matched or were uploaded. Some songs on my iPad have the Cloud Icon and others don't.

UPDATE: As far as the songs not showing the Cloud icon I had some music synced on my iPad prior.
 
apple needs to come out with a program that goes through your music and changes the meta data for you so that it can match correctly with what's in the store.
 
You really get a different perspective on iTunes Match when you actually use it. Before I did, I've been thinking the main thing I wanted to do is go in and fix some of my tracks on my hard drive to better quality iTunes Plus versions, when in reality, after the scan, I can just delete everything and just have it run off the cloud.

Well not yet until after the beta, but you know what I mean.

My entire iTunes Library on my 64GB Macbook Air will be pretty damn cool.
 
You really get a different perspective on iTunes Match when you actually use it. Before I did, I've been thinking the main thing I wanted to do is go in and fix some of my tracks on my hard drive to better quality iTunes Plus versions, when in reality, after the scan, I can just delete everything and just have it run off the cloud.

Well not yet until after the beta, but you know what I mean.

My entire iTunes Library on my 64GB Macbook Air will be pretty damn cool.

IN theory that's a good idea, but despite Apple's prowess, I wouldn't trust them to not lose your stuff.

I mean, the likelihood of that is basically zero, but I wouldn't "delete" my music because "Apple won't lose it."

Nomsayin?
 
I wouldn't delete everything and trust the cloud.

I do digital photography and my motto is "Unless I want to loose it, keep it in two places" Almost everything is backed up, in additional to sitting on a mirrored RAID network drive.

Does the cloud lose everything if it rains? lol
 
IN theory that's a good idea, but despite Apple's prowess, I wouldn't trust them to not lose your stuff.

I mean, the likelihood of that is basically zero, but I wouldn't "delete" my music because "Apple won't lose it."

Nomsayin?
I don't think anyone with an IQ above room temperature would delete their music collection and Apple even tells you to be sure not to.

I don't even look at it like Apple CAN lose anything as they never really took anything in the first place.



Michael
 
I wouldn't delete everything and trust the cloud.

I do digital photography and my motto is "Unless I want to loose it, keep it in two places" Almost everything is backed up, in additional to sitting on a mirrored RAID network drive.

I keep at least 5 copies of everything.

  • The home server drive is mirrored - two copies
  • The home server is backed up to a RAID-5 array - effectively two more copies
  • I have a pair of 3 TB external drives that I keep off-site - each week I backup everything and swap with the other off-site copy (at most points in time - the off-site copy is this week's mirror, and the other is last week's mirror)

For important stuff (banking records, tax returns, ...) each week a ZIP file is made of the "financial" and "personal" trees - and saved on the server drive. This means 5 copies of the state of each week's state.

There's also a nightly incremental backup of every system in the house (PCs, laptops, the HTPC, ...). These have a backup policy of:
save nightly backups for 8 weeks
save weekly backups for 6 months
save monthly backups for 10 years​

Note that some of the backups address the issue of "what if drive X fails today", and others address the very different issue of "what if I discover today that I accidentally overwrote or deleted my 2009 tax return sometime in the last 11 months".
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It's not a question of "if" your disk drives will fail, it's simply a matter of "when".

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I don't think anyone with an IQ above room temperature would delete their music collection and Apple even tells you to be sure not to.

You're assuming Fahrenheit, there are lots of people with "computer IQs" in the Celsius scale. (20 is room temperature in Celsius)
 
Backups are really important. I have had several HDDs fail over the years. Never trust anything with your data. Always be redundant in backing up critical data. My iPhone Library I have backed up 3 times. My pictures of my kids and family are priceless. Music I left Time Machine handle, I can always acquire my music back if I needed to.

I am not sure that I would let Apple store all my music in the offset chance the data is lost or what happens when your subscription is over and you don't renew does the data wipe itself...
 
What I am saying is that it looks like you can basically backup your iTunes library file and match data and be fine. It's matched. Unless Apple somehow loses their entire iTunes store then yes, you would be screwed.

You would still want to backup your uploaded (unmatched) music of course.
 
What's the procedure to add music to your library after the initial match? Seems most all of the discussion I've seen centers on performing the initial scan of your music library... a certain number of songs will be matched and the rest will be uploaded.

So what happens when a month later I buy a CD and want to add it to my library? I use XLD to rip my albums so assume I've already gotten that far and ripped the new album to a folder of properly-tagged mp3 or aac files. Prior to iTunes Match, what I would then do is drag and drop the folder onto the iTunes window->Music library and that was it--it was in my library.

But with iTunes Match turned on I somehow doubt it's still that easy. I know Apple is expecting I will just buy all future music from the iTunes store. But unless they start selling albums in lossless format then I will keep buying CDs as long as I can. I probably buy at least 20 to 30 new CDs every year so I really hope it's not too much of a chore to add those to an already-matched library. I don't relish the thought of having to re-scan 20K tracks just to add an album or two.

So can anyone shed some light on that? Thanks!
 
Well under the store menu, there is a selection for "Update iTunes Match" Also on a windows machine, you can right click and choose "Add to iCloud" What I don't know if the update Match causes it to rescan everything like the initial scan. I hope not because step 2 was giving me grief yesterday. I saw stalling issues mentioned about the previous beta (I didn't have any on that one strangely enough)

I want to try out the adding to the cloud after the initial scan but I am having a stalling issue in the newest Beta. Was stalling at step 2 yesterday and them got where it keeps stalling at step 3. 18k tracks might be the blame, my internet which goes wireless for over a mile, or the beta itself. I had one cd my computer never would rip right and I ripped it on my wife's machine. Once I get everything uploaded, then I plan on testing updating the cloud.

It appears that everything it is uploading is artwork right now. I have 10k tracks that are matched and the other 8k say waiting. I only have two that say uploaded. Guess I will wait and find out how many of those 8k are matched or uploaded. Seems very slow if it is just artwork since it is uploading less than 20 per minute and the items waiting to download is 5,700. If any of those are songs, I will have a long wait still...
 
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I think you might be on to something. I had no idea that "free" track was only at 48kbps but that is what it is.

I would reencode at 128 but it would only be to see if bitrate is a determining factor in being ineligible.

Before I do... does anyone else have any not eligible tracks and if so are they below 128 kbps?



Michael

From iTunes Store Terms and Conditions:

"iTunes Match works with libraries that contain up to 25,000 songs which are either (i) not currently available on the iTunes Service, or (ii) not purchased from the iTunes Service with your Account. Songs with quality less than 96 kbps or that are not authorized for your computer are not eligible for iTunes Match." (Emphasis mine).

Does that explain some of the behavior you've been seeing? I'm curious how this works.

Edit: No, I didn't read it, I just searched it. ;)
 
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So my theory about bitrate was right. I remember reading the 25k limit but probably ignored the bitrate of 96 because I didn't think I had anything that small. That takes care of Tin's Avril track but I wonder why someone else got ineligible tracks when they had 256 bitrate tracks.

I will try re-encoding one of the tracks before I delete them just to see it it can get matched.
 
Maybe those songs were bought from an iTunes account that has not been authorized on the computer? Or maybe it's just an error.

Wasn't purchased music, and even if it was, at 256k, it obviously wasn't an old drm'ed track so authorizing is a moot point.
 
I guess it is why it's a beta still. At least we know what we were getting into, unlike the Siri beta on the new iPhone 4s...lol
 
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