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Apple Seeds Mac OS X Leopard (9A527/9A528a)

I just noticed a verrrry tiny detail:

The Apple in the menubar is now slighty transparent in the bottom half. In former builds this has been a lighter gray to give the apple a little reflection.

The new transparency makes the apple seem reflecting the colors from the wallpaper. I like it.
I noticed this with the clownfish background and the Tiger-Aqua one. Those two make a pretty good comparison :)
 
I can't believe how many people on here are whining about the desktop background. You do realize it can be changed...right?:confused:
 
koobcamuk said:
The final build will have a solid menu bar.
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Considering that none of the latest internal builds after 9A527 (the builds after the seed being commented on here) have a solid menu bar, there's no way you could know this without being an engineer working on the coding itself.

The desktop background is a non-issue. If you don't like it (and chances are you might not), change it. Its that simple. Apple will pick something that they think appeals to a good portion of consumers and potential switchers and that gives Leopard an identity of its own. There's no conceivable way Apple could come up with a default background that every single user would like; everyone's tastes are different.

Other user interface concerns are addressed by slight variations of the above argument. Everyone will have different opinions, and unless something looks downright tacky there isn't much that's going to influence Apple's design decisions besides what the appropriate people decide and, rarely, the overwhelming opinion of employees and/or the public user base.

People need to focus less on the superficial elements of Leopard ("how it looks") as if it was just another Microsoft operating system and more on the actual performance improvements between it and Tiger. Leopard isn't going to earn its merit based on how it looks except from a relatively small portion of home users, but rather on actual in improvements in ease of use, computing power, overall system stability, etc etc. This is where we need to be focusing our attention on Leopard; how it actually works, not how it looks.
 
Mgkwho said:
Yeah, those new folder icons have to go. There are much better options out there...Apple can do much better.

-=|Mgkwho
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I tend to agree. Up close they are kind of cool, there is a paper like quality to them with the specs and grain. However, they seem to be harder to distinguish between each other than Tiger's 10.4 icons.

One thing I don't like, in build 9A499/500 is that the downloads and other stacks that I have in my dock (such as my Applications folder), show the first item in the stack on the dock rather than the folder icon. I have my folder arranged by "name", and as such it displays the first item in the folder on the dock instead of the "Applications" folder icon. Is there any way in the new build to keep the dock folder icon as the only icon that appears until opened? I haven't found one yet...
 
I have been thinking about the logical reasoning behind the new dock and think that the new 3D look was a necessary change. Stacks are presented with suggestion of 3D for good reason - they convey the chronological order of files through their ordering from the viewer's eye. I can't think of a better way to show this on a 2D surface. This suggestion of 3D here necessistates the 3D dock IMHO.

My only wish is that the interface designers at Apple would gain an understanding of 1-point-perspective and correct the Abbey Road divider. It might not be a bad idea to rethink the whole perspective of the dock while they are at it. As an icon designer myself, I can't imagine redesigning a suite of icons because Apple chose a viewing angle inconsistent with many of their own icons.
 
lucasgladding said:
My only wish is that the interface designers at Apple would gain an understanding of 1-point-perspective and correct the Abbey Road divider. It might not be a bad idea to rethink the whole perspective of the dock while they are at it. As an icon designer myself, I can't imagine redesigning a suite of icons because Apple chose a viewing angle inconsistent with many of their own icons.
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But doesn't the perspective have to 'wrong' because none of the icons will be in perspective relative to their location on the dock?
 
vandlism said:
Fast user switching into Windows on Boot Camp would be nice. That way it doesn't require a reboot, but simply a wake from sleep/hibernation.
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Maybe you didn't phrase this right, but this makes no sense at all to me. BootCamp works on rebooting by design. If you are talking about loading both virtual machines simultaneously under different users or workspaces, then you are talking about something completely different from BootCamp. Perhaps you are thinking of Paralellls?
 
Sbrocket said:
People need to focus less on the superficial elements of Leopard ("how it looks") as if it was just another Microsoft operating system and more on the actual performance improvements between it and Tiger. Leopard isn't going to earn its merit based on how it looks except from a relatively small portion of home users, but rather on actual in improvements in ease of use, computing power, overall system stability, etc etc. This is where we need to be focusing our attention on Leopard; how it actually works, not how it looks.
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Amen!! I want a stable, well conceived OS. Not some flashy crap!
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
Maybe you didn't phrase this right, but this makes no sense at all to me. BootCamp works on rebooting by design. If you are talking about loading both virtual machines simultaneously under different users or workspaces, then you are talking about something completely different from BootCamp. Perhaps you are thinking of Paralellls?
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Actually according to the Apple site, the final release of Boot Camp will have the non reboot feature. We shall see.
 
Virgil-TB2 said:
Maybe you didn't phrase this right, but this makes no sense at all to me. BootCamp works on rebooting by design. If you are talking about loading both virtual machines simultaneously under different users or workspaces, then you are talking about something completely different from BootCamp. Perhaps you are thinking of Paralellls?
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Hmmm, I think what he meant was a feature that Jobs once described but then mentioned was not going to be in the final OS. I forget exactly how it was described, but it basically was a cross bet virtual machine and Boot Camp. Ok, that is not EXACTLY what I meant lol (someone bail me out here).
 
rychencop said:
Actually according to the Apple site, the final release of Boot Camp will have the non reboot feature. We shall see.
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OOoooo really?! I didn't see that, I remembered something about it not making it, but that will be AWESOME.
 
koobcamuk said:
I can't prove it, but I would just like to say that is what I think will be the case.
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Sorry to be an ass, but you really should be clear when you're stating an opinion on this forum.

rychencop said:
Actually according to the Apple site, the final release of Boot Camp will have the non reboot feature. We shall see.
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And where might it say that?
-Chasen
 
Fast Bootcamp Switching

Actually I think the fast bootcamp switching you guys are referring to was never mentioned by Steve but was leaked onto Apple's website ofter WWDC with the new leopard pages in the bootcamp section. It mentioned a fast bootcamp switching feature where the current os would go into sleep mode or hibernate so the other os could resume from hibernation. It was pulled shortly after when people started to notice it was there because it had never been mentioned before. I'm guessing it was a planned feature but was pulled for some reason like the home on ipod feature that was leaked with the panther site but pulled shortly after. I really want both of those features to be bought back.
 
powderblue17 said:
Actually I think the fast bootcamp switching you guys are referring to was never mentioned by Steve but was leaked onto Apple's website ofter WWDC with the new leopard pages in the bootcamp section. It mentioned a fast bootcamp switching feature where the current os would go into sleep mode or hibernate so the other os could resume from hibernation. It was pulled shortly after when people started to notice it was there because it had never been mentioned before. I'm guessing it was a planned feature but was pulled for some reason like the home on ipod feature that was leaked with the panther site but pulled shortly after. I really want both of those features to be bought back.
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That's it, thanks. Odd though that they would pull those features just because they were leaked. I would love to see the fast OS switching as I need to use Windows for AutoCAD, it would come in handy...
 
Hey, not to get off topic here, but does any one have any info on new Cinema Displays? I need to replace my 23" but I don't want to until I know if there will be new ones as Apple hasn't refreshed their display line since 2004...
 
Since the little blue orbs under the icons on the dock are just a png file in the dock app, couldn't you just change the png to something different if the orbs annoyed you?
 
CJD2112 said:
Hey, not to get off topic here...
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What? That is exactly what you are doing? There are many threads talking about cinema displays...

Back on topic... :rolleyes:

I still think that stacks are going to change the way that I work and time machine is just something that I will use occasionally.
 
ChaosBleeds44 said:
Since the little blue orbs under the icons on the dock are just a png file in the dock app, couldn't you just change the png to something different if the orbs annoyed you?
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Hmmm, where would that be? In the contents folder for the dock? If so, I might experiment with that...
 
koobcamuk said:
What? That is exactly what you are doing? There are many threads talking about cinema displays...

Back on topic... :rolleyes:

I still think that stacks are going to change the way that I work and time machine is just something that I will use occasionally.
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Where? They're all dead topics, I've tried but nothing recent. Plus I figured with the release of Leopard they might be releasing new Displays as there has been talk about incorporating certain features with the displays, such as an IR sensor for Front Row on the Mac Pro's and built in iSights, and what better a place to ask than the Leopard thread. No harm, no foul =).
 
Reposting this only because I haven't seen anyone else mention it.

I thought that in previous builds you were able to have Spring-Loaded folders in the Dock. I've heard that in this build (9a527), that has been taken out. Can anyone confirm this?? Or know wtf is going on? This feature would have been awesome!
 
dopeasy said:
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but you can just create a normal folder inside the Applications directory, and just drag your favorite applications. What I did was create three additional stacks to the downloads one. One is all my user installed applications, the other is all the iApps and safari ect.., and the last one is an iLife stack. <snip>
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The only problem with making an iLife folder like you did is that iLife applications wouldn't update for me when they weren't in the apps folder.
 
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