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When I initially switched many years ago, like many ex-Windows users, two of the most frustrating differences were not being able to Cut, and not being able to full-screen maximise simply. I was told to stick with it, adapt, and I'd eventually appreciate Apple's design choices. I'm sorry but I still miss both features (the double-click titlebar to maximise the most - those little coloured buttons are so annoyingly small, and I still feel that a full-maximise would be so much more productive for me - I can instantly snap into the use of an application with no distractions on the screen). It's been many years, and I sometimes feel now that the designers at Apple Inc won't include these features out downright stubbornness - they don't want to admit that in the two small but important UI features, they were wrong and M$ were right. How could it really hurt to include them?

Having never even seen a mac until I was 18, I am definitely no Mac fanatic, and have pretty much used windows all my life. I switched a couple of years ago, and one of the first things that I really loved was the lack of maximize. With windows, you are expected to work in a maximize environment, and that is how programs are designed. This makes it terribly difficult to use 2 programs at once. For example, I often want to convert a tree diagram on the internet into an omnigraffle graph. On windows, I would be Alt-Tabbing all the time. On my mac, having the image on the side is natural, and makes things far easier.

Also, you realize that most documents are meant to be longer (height) than wide, and so maximize is useless, since the edges are really of no use at all. I will agree that there are times maximize could be useful, however, I still would not want Apple to adopt a maximize button because developers would start making apps assuming that people only want their application on the screen at any one time.
 
Actually I think the fast bootcamp switching you guys are referring to was never mentioned by Steve but was leaked onto Apple's website ofter WWDC with the new leopard pages in the bootcamp section. It mentioned a fast bootcamp switching feature where the current os would go into sleep mode or hibernate so the other os could resume from hibernation. It was pulled shortly after when people started to notice it was there because it had never been mentioned before. I'm guessing it was a planned feature but was pulled for some reason like the home on ipod feature that was leaked with the panther site but pulled shortly after. I really want both of those features to be bought back.

Yeah it was listed on the site about a week ago. It's gone now, so I assume they have removed that feature. We'll see in the final release.
 
And where might it say that?
-Chasen

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Originally Posted by powderblue17 View Post
Actually I think the fast bootcamp switching you guys are referring to was never mentioned by Steve but was leaked onto Apple's website ofter WWDC with the new leopard pages in the bootcamp section. It mentioned a fast bootcamp switching feature where the current os would go into sleep mode or hibernate so the other os could resume from hibernation. It was pulled shortly after when people started to notice it was there because it had never been mentioned before. I'm guessing it was a planned feature but was pulled for some reason like the home on ipod feature that was leaked with the panther site but pulled shortly after. I really want both of those features to be bought back.
 
This is exactly the kind of Apple arrogance that made me not want to switch in the first place. Just because it's the Jobs way, doesn't always mean it's the best way.

I could point out countless other examples of seeming inconsistencies in either OS, not the least of which is the fact that we can use 'Copy' and 'Paste' for files in exactly the same way as with text etc., and yet for some reason you say Cut is different. Not only that, but your other reasoning is flawed, that the file needs to be copied in order to be cut, when in fact Windows simply memorises the path and only moves the file at Paste time (if it's on the same drive no copying is involved at all). Just like drag and drop.

I can't follow your reasoning at all, and feel you are just jumping to defend your misplaced Apple pride. Apple is not perfect, and, despite a great deal of Windows' success being stolen from Mac OS (ok, almost all), there are things to learn from the competition.

When I initially switched many years ago, like many ex-Windows users, two of the most frustrating differences were not being able to Cut, and not being able to full-screen maximise simply. I was told to stick with it, adapt, and I'd eventually appreciate Apple's design choices. I'm sorry but I still miss both features (the double-click titlebar to maximise the most - those little coloured buttons are so annoyingly small, and I still feel that a full-maximise would be so much more productive for me - I can instantly snap into the use of an application with no distractions on the screen). It's been many years, and I sometimes feel now that the designers at Apple Inc won't include these features out downright stubbornness - they don't want to admit that in the two small but important UI features, they were wrong and M$ were right. How could it really hurt to include them?

I am in no way a M$ fan, and do not buy any of their products any more, but sometimes these simple features made me feel like I had more control in my day-to-day work, instead of endlessly waiting for spring-loaded folders or repositioning Finder windows to drag, quite often dropping the file on an application or the desktop by mistake instead, and the endless, tedious resizing of windows to fill the screen so I can concentrate on my work.

As a Windows user and a Mac user since 1992, I agree with you on "Cut" and disagree strongly on the Maximize. I hate that in Windows, though sometimes its necessary with MDI windows. Its never necessary on the Mac.
 
The only problem with making an iLife folder like you did is that iLife applications wouldn't update for me when they weren't in the apps folder.

You can still make an iLife folder and put aliases of the applications into it.
 
Edit controls???

Anyone with this new Leopard build know what ever happened to basic editing controls in Preview??? I remember that being a new feature a while ago and looks like it is gone now :( And why do these buttons not match anything else in the UI???

P.S. Seriously what is the select for? What does it do???
 

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Originally Posted by powderblue17 View Post
Actually I think the fast bootcamp switching you guys are referring to was never mentioned by Steve but was leaked onto Apple's website ofter WWDC with the new leopard pages in the bootcamp section. It mentioned a fast bootcamp switching feature where the current os would go into sleep mode or hibernate so the other os could resume from hibernation. It was pulled shortly after when people started to notice it was there because it had never been mentioned before. I'm guessing it was a planned feature but was pulled for some reason like the home on ipod feature that was leaked with the panther site but pulled shortly after. I really want both of those features to be bought back.

I had to register just to correct you. Jobs did mention the feature during his keynote. He pulled down the dropdown menu under the Apple logo and it showed "Switch to Windows..." as a menu item. Some of the audience cheered, others laughed.

The item hasn't been available in any of the betas presumably because there's no compatible or stable version of Boot Camp that supports the fast switching feature. Also, "Switch to Windows..." would need to be reworded. Not exactly what you want users switching to Macs to read.

The feature could have been pulled or will reappear. There's no notice to developers.
 
Anyone with this new Leopard build know what ever happened to basic editing controls in Preview??? I remember that being a new feature a while ago and looks like it is gone now :( And why do these buttons not match anything else in the UI???

P.S. Seriously what is the select for? What does it do???

Ive been a staunch defender of Leopards UI, but the Preview toolbar is atrocious.
 
Where? They're all dead topics, I've tried but nothing recent. Plus I figured with the release of Leopard they might be releasing new Displays as there has been talk about incorporating certain features with the displays, such as an IR sensor for Front Row on the Mac Pro's and built in iSights, and what better a place to ask than the Leopard thread. No harm, no foul =).

Hmm... not entirely sure I would agree - I would have thrown this into a sub forum on displays. Anyway, no harm done. You're right, after all this is a Leopard thread. :)
 
Ive been a staunch defender of Leopards UI, but the Preview toolbar is atrocious.

I'm not sure about it either. I think that those bubbles around the icons don't really look that great. I thought Apple was trying to be consistent - couldn't they go with the same theme they are going with for Safari and Finder?
 
Warp?

I have to say I like the new intro video, but the very end with the X where the stars go into warp speed is cheesy as hell LOL, that part needs to go!!!
 
iChat screen sharing?

Can someone with this build of Leopard please officially confirm that iChat does NOT have the screen sharing feature anymore??? The last screen shots I saw of iChat still had the button for it.... I hope it does so bad :eek:
 
TubeTV

If it's up on YouTube, just go to YouTube, play it, then in Safari go to Window-->activity. Find the Youtube section. Now look through the list of files until you find the biggest one. this is 99 times out of 100 the movie. Double click and it will download. Now find the file, and rename it to whatever you want with an *.flv extension. Now it will play in VLC (and maybe Quicktime, not sure).

Or you could just download TubeTV :) i LOVE that program :) Google it!
 
Mac OS X minimize expands the window to fit the respective content being displayed, as opposed to the screen. This behavior is in my opinion, much better than how windows handles maximizing windows.
 
I had to register just to correct you. Jobs did mention the feature during his keynote. He pulled down the dropdown menu under the Apple logo and it showed "Switch to Windows..." as a menu item. Some of the audience cheered, others laughed.

The item hasn't been available in any of the betas presumably because there's no compatible or stable version of Boot Camp that supports the fast switching feature. Also, "Switch to Windows..." would need to be reworded. Not exactly what you want users switching to Macs to read.

The feature could have been pulled or will reappear. There's no notice to developers.

Which keynote? When does this happen? Any chance you can provide a screen grab - i cant find it !
 
I think still having the gray(on top of safari) is boring looking. I like how with firefox you can change it anyway you want.
 
As for Cut, I'm sorry but IT IS BROKEN. I filed a bug report with Apple and they even said they're working on it. It's an actual option in the Finder, but it doesn't work. Try this on Tiger, select a file or folder and now go to Edit, you will see that the second option is grayed out and reads "Cut Command icon - X." However, the feature itself and the keyboard shortcut do not do anything. Cut is an essential feature and dragging and dropping is not the answer. One does not replace the other. Cut is a lot faster and gives free navigation without having to rely on spring loaded folders. I like OS X, but I will not ignore its flaws and Apple needs to fix Cut. When I review Leopard I will definitely mention this if it is still in this state. It doesn't take 6 releases to implement a feature that we've relied on for close to a decade.

It would be even nicer if they added cut and paste to the right click... I didn't even know it was an option because it is not in right click lol.
 
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Did anyone notice that Dashboard is gone in the system preferences.

While in X.4 it says: "Dashboard & Expose"
in X.5 it says: "Expose & Spaces".

So, where is Dashboard :)

I think they just renamed it to make more sense. And I think it does, after all it never really had to do with Dashboard but with your Hot Corners. Dashboard was an option for the Hot Corners but it wasn't like that menu gave you any real Dashboard or Widget options. So I think it makes sense!
 
But doesn't the perspective have to 'wrong' because none of the icons will be in perspective relative to their location on the dock?

Many icons are tilted (like Preview), so the perspective is a bit more forgiving. The Abbey Road divider, however lives on the same plane as the dock floor. If they wanted to, the divider could be drawn in code and the angles changed based on its position in the dock. This would be a nice effect and shouldn't be too hard to program.
 
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