Apple Seeds Ninth Beta of macOS High Sierra to Developers

[Sharkoneau]

Samsung 850 EVO without question.
It'll just work with no fuss.
Sure, you can get Crucials for cheaper perhaps but they are hit and miss.
Do a search of their forums and you'll see what I mean.

Thanks! I keep seeing numerous recommendations for exactly that, and reviews are stellar as well. Doesn’t seem like there’s any other choice really.
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Yes, my brother’s machine was becoming unusable. He thought it was a different computer when I gave it back to him as he was ready to upgrade.

I have a Crucial M4 which is old tech, they make faster ones now and I think you can find a 256GB for around $100, maybe less. The price for SSDs has come down dramatically the past couple years.

I have a late 2011 13” MacBook Pro with the i5 and 8 gigs of ram and that thing flies, much faster than day one.

Thanks! From what I’ve gathered it’s between Crucial and Samsung Evo, which seems madly popular. Looks like I have some research to do.

Also, I think we have the exact same setup

 

[762999]

I've heard this is really buggy and people are speculating it won't ship in September. Odd, for a "catch-up" on the fundamentals release.

Any views from people who have used the betas?

I can't imagine this will ship in September! In the first 30 minutes I had 5 crashes. I was doing things in Affinity Photo : retouching, scanning images.. and the whole thing crashed, not only the application but it kick me out to the login screen. I have to login again, it starts a new session and have to redo everything again. Unless you only surf the net, not impressive.

 

[ke-iron]

Just as 100 other people say “No thanks, I’ll stick with Snow Leopard”

Why would you stick with snow leopard? Are you one of those people that do not want to upgrade because your illegally owned apps will no longer work? Just asking because I have a friend that refuses to upgrade for that reason. If he upgrades it won't work because of some kind of verification feature built into the newer OS over the recent years. Aside from that, there is no real advantage to remaining on an older Mac OS.

 

[MrGimper]

Why would you stick with snow leopard? Are you one of those people that do not want to upgrade because your illegally owned apps will no longer work? Just asking because I have a friend that refuses to upgrade for that reason. If he upgrades it won't work because of some kind of verification feature built into the newer OS over the recent years. Aside from that, there is no real advantage to remaining on an older Mac OS.

No idea, I’m not one of those people. I live on the edge.

 

[rumormiller]

I can't imagine this will ship in September! In the first 30 minutes I had 5 crashes. I was doing things in Affinity Photo : retouching, scanning images.. and the whole thing crashed, not only the application but it kick me out to the login screen. I have to login again, it starts a new session and have to redo everything again. Unless you only surf the net, not impressive.

This ninth beta is the first I've risked installing on my late 2013 iMac GT 750m with Fusion 1TB drive. High Sierra doesn't convert fusion to APFS. Everything seems to be working very well including Affinity Photo. I've retouched photos and acquired an image from a scanner just to be sure. Logic X and Final Cut X both work fine as well. Might be something corrupted on your system?

 

[ke-iron]

This is probably the last update till 12th September

Nope, september 12th is an iPhone event, not Mac or Mac OS event. Mac OS will still have a few more betas before release as the GM for this Mac OS will not be released on the same day as the GM for iOS.

 

[cylack]

Contacts on MacOS is still not syncing with icloud. I’ve reported it multiple times to Apple via feedback assistant on the last three betas. Have tried logging out of icloud and logging back in and still no sync. Also, the keyboard pref of “turn keyboard backlight off after x seconds of inactivity” keeps getting unchecked after restart.

 

[ke-iron]

No idea, I’m not one of those people. I live on the edge.

Not sure what you consider living on the edge if you're still using snow leopard lol

 

[MaskAndWig]

Why would you stick with snow leopard...there is no real advantage to remaining on an older Mac OS.

There are lots of legitimate reasons to stick with an older OS. In my case, I do a lot of audio work on my Mac. I have several high-end FireWire-based audio interfaces that weren't cheap and still work flawlessly. I use them every day. With Yosemite, Apple decided -- for whatever reason -- to eliminate support for FireWire audio. I'm running Mavericks now because I don't feel like dropping another $2,000 on new USB or Thunderbolt interfaces. (Not yet, anyway.) At this point, if I upgrade the OS, my FireWire audio devices will become instant paperweights. (And no, getting a FW-to-USB converter won't solve the problem.) I'm sure plenty of other pros and semi-pros with significant investments in external components have good reasons to stick with older operating systems as long as is feasible.

 

[ke-iron]

There are lots of legitimate reasons to stick with an older OS. In my case, I do a lot of audio work on my Mac. I have several high-end FireWire-based audio interfaces that weren't cheap and still work flawlessly. I use them every day. With Yosemite, Apple decided -- for whatever reason -- to eliminate support for FireWire audio. I'm running Mavericks now because I don't feel like dropping another $2,000 on new USB or Thunderbolt interfaces. (Not yet, anyway.) At this point, if I upgrade the OS, my FireWire audio devices will become instant paperweights. (And no, getting a FW-to-USB converter won't solve the problem.) I'm sure plenty of other pros and semi-pros with significant investments in external components have good reasons to stick with older operating systems as long as is feasible.

So what you're saying is if you upgrade your OS, even though you still physically have the same computer with older ports you can't use those ports? That's really odd for Apple, it's like going from one extreme to the other.

 

[MaskAndWig]

So what you're saying is if you upgrade your OS, even though you still physically have the same computer with older ports you can't use those ports? That's really odd for Apple, it's like going from one extreme to the other.

Exactly. (Minor correction: Apple discontinued FireWire core audio driver support in El Capitan, not Yosemite as I said.) I've read reports that some people have been able to continue using FireWire audio components in El Cap, but I've also heard that operation can be flaky. Because audio is 80% of what I do on my computer, I don't want to take the chance. For now, it has made more sense to stick with Mavericks and "let sleeping dogs lie." In a few years when I'm ready for a new computer, I'll have to bite the bullet and invest in new audio interfaces as well.

 

[macintoshmac]

its not showing for my MacBook pro

Sending out an impromptu apology for making the comment I made that hurt you.

 

[ke-iron]

Exactly. (Minor correction: Apple discontinued FireWire core audio driver support in El Capitan, not Yosemite as I said.) I've read reports that some people have been able to continue using FireWire audio components in El Cap, but I've also heard that operation can be flaky. Because audio is 80% of what I do on my computer, I don't want to take the chance. For now, it has made more sense to stick with Mavericks and "let sleeping dogs lie." In a few years when I'm ready for a new computer, I'll have to bite the bullet and invest in new audio interfaces as well.

Ah I see. It's one of those situations where you'd really have to run your devices till they don't work anymore or till it's not really efficient so you can justify the cost of upgrading.

 

[heretiq]

Snappiness. Seriously. It is boggling to click Finder from the dock and watch it present itself before you can blink. Hardware? MacBook Pro 15, Early 2006. The OS snappiness could put 10.11 to shame, including 10.12, on my MBP 15 Late 2011 with dGPU.

It is only with High Sierra 10.13 that I feel the OS snappiness to be very good. But, the entire OS could do with a little less animations so that the snappiness factor can be retained/ maintained.

I can appreciate that. Speed affects everything. And for those who view the new OS improvements as trivial, I can understand the conclusion that the tradeoff is unacceptable.

That's not been my experience though: I find iCloud, iCloud Keychain, handoff, continuity, unlock with Apple Watch, Metal, APFS and other new features and under the hood security and performance improvements to be consequential -- and without any perceived adverse performance impact.

 

[MaskAndWig]

Ah I see. It's one of those situations where you'd really have to run your devices till they don't work anymore or till it's not really efficient so you can justify the cost of upgrading.

Yeah. I'd like to upgrade to a newer OS -- I don't necessarily enjoy having an outdated version of Safari (among other things) -- but for the ways in which I use my computer, it's easier and more cost-effective overall to stick with what I have. I know some other audio guys and video editors who have similar reasons for not upgrading.

 

[macintoshmac]

I can appreciate that. Speed affects everything. And for those who view the new OS improvements as trivial, I can understand the conclusion that the tradeoff is unacceptable.

That's not been my experience though: I find iCloud, iCloud Keychain, handoff, continuity, unlock with Apple Watch, Metal, APFS and other new features and under the hood security and performance improvements to be consequential -- and without any perceived adverse performance impact.

True. Just this week, I have organised and uploaded my entire library of photos to iCloud after taking a 200GB rental. Now I have access to all my photos everywhere, and including my family's. It feels good. So long as something does not go bust here, it feels really good with regards to photo access everywhere. iCloud keychain rocks for me. Handoff and Continuity not quite working as expected under High Sierra betas - as I type this, I should be able to continue typing this on any device - that does not happen, I can only come to the page and there will be the quote ready but not my response. APFS is a very good step forward. Do not have a Watch so can't say. Truly, these features are a genuine and remarkable step forward in terms of user experience.

 

[dc73pdsgt]

This update broke my new iMac. Circle with line through it on the display when booting. Ran disk utility and found the APFS section was corrupted. I have the fusion drive and yes I read about APFS not working with that. Beta 8 was fine but 9 caused me to have to restore Sierra and restore my backup. Hope this is resolved when it’s released. Or Apple acknowledges it doesn’t work on HDDs and decides to give me a free SSD upgrade (yea right!)

 

[Sevendaymelee]

Does High Sierra sound like Cheech or Chong when you call Siri?

 

[n-evo]

Not sure what you consider living on the edge if you're still using snow leopard lol

This is the second time you fail to understand what he's actually saying. He isn't using Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

 

[JamesMay82]

I always get caught up with upgrading day one to the latest software and always find myself after 5 mins saying it's pretty much the same with minor tweaks and I got excited for nothing.

I'm gonna try and hold out till we get a couple versions in before I upgrade.

I do that with new phone models as well.. there never seem to be any drastic leaps with hardware or software which is a shame..

always seemed to be bigger leaps when I was a kid early 90's computing etc

 

[Type4O]

I'm yet to install beta 9 but on beta 8 I've noticed that the brightness turns down when booting, even if you had it at full when turning off.

My goodness, that had started happening to me and I thought my iMac was freezing. Never even thought it wasn’t just the brightness.

 

[IG88]

Wow, an 8 year old iMac still crankin ehh? "I just installed Windows 10 on my 2010 Dell desktop" said noone ever. LOL

I'll bet there are alot of Sandy Bridge 2600K / 2500K CPUs (circa 2011) out there alive and well. I know mine is.

I got a Dell XPS in 2010, swapped out the mobo and CPU for a i7-2600K in 2011. Upgraded to a SSD shortly after that.

A few weeks ago I migrated most of the parts over to a new case. New fans, new PSU, new water cooler, and new fan controller. Only parts from the original XPS left are the HDD and the optical drives.

I know this isn't much of a retort considering how little of the Dell is left, but even had I left the XPS stock it would be fine to install Win 10 on, especially by upgrading to a SSD.

 

[CLS7]

Can anyone confirm whether it is now possible to convert from HFS + to APFS with a Fusion Drive? either during installation or by logon into recovery mode and converting the Fusion Drive using the disk utility?

I have an iMac 27 inch, late 2015, with a 1 TB Fusion Drive.

 

[GtrDude]

Why can't they put a direct path in the Finder window to the folder in which you're working that you can copy and paste into another Finder instance?
This has always been available in Windows, as in literally always.
Just copy the location where you are and then paste it in another instance of Win Explorer and you're there!
Is this too hard for Apple to do this?
Is there something in the OS that strictly forbids this.
I'm not talking about dropping down a list of folders like what's obviously possible.
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I'll bet there are alot of Sandy Bridge 2600K / 2500K CPUs (circa 2011) out there alive and well. I know mine is.

I got a Dell XPS in 2010, swapped out the mobo and CPU for a i7-2600K in 2011. Upgraded to a SSD shortly after that.

A few weeks ago I migrated most of the parts over to a new case. New fans, new PSU, new water cooler, and new fan controller. Only parts from the original XPS left are the HDD and the optical drives.

I know this isn't much of a retort considering how little of the Dell is left, but even had I left the XPS stock it would be fine to install Win 10 on, especially by upgrading to a SSD.

I got an HP Z800 in the first week of when Win7 came out, July 2009.
It's used all day every day for 8 to 12 hours in a pro recording studio.
Still no signs of it even getting tired, let alone giving up its final breath....
I don't see why an 8 year old imac wouldn't be running like it did on day one.

 

[bumblebritches5]

Normally I update at least one machine right away. While I am waiting to get it, I am going to hold off a bit on this one due to the file system (APFS) changes. Hopefully the beta resolves any issues, but I'm going to be cautious.

Same, I'm not going near High Sierra for months after release solely because of the new filesystem, that software has to be rock ****ing solid.