Apple Seeds Second Beta of macOS 10.14 Mojave to Developers

[mryingster]

Those are words coming from former Google and Microsoft Devs now professors. Unless they’re lying to us completely or have weird coding practices, that what I’m preparing for in the job market.
I always start over mostly fresh in every major update to my projects.

I have rewritten personal projects from scratch because I can better structure it the second time around, but I'm only talking about a few thousand lines of code... MacOS is MILLIONS of lines of code, and has never been re-written as a whole. There are frameworks in MacOS that were originally made for NextStep and OS9 still hanging around. Things get updated and reworked, but rarely rewritten in their entirety. That would be a completely unsustainable way to maintain something as complex as an OS!

 

[macsba]

Hopefully I can use MS Office with this version -- first beta would not let me open any Office apps.

Seems to work for me.

MacBook Pro Retina (Mid 2012), 10.14 beta build 18A314h

 

[eoblaed]

Oddly the current High Sierra release is fine. So what exactly are they breaking .. I mean fixing that is worth breaking everything in the process. I don't get it. Why not start from stable and get better as an idea? It defies logic.

Unfortunately, that's not possible. Once you make changes, you risk destabilizing software, environment, etc. It's inevitable.

 

[chrfr]

I'm waiting for the day when you can copy your location in the finder and then paste it in another finder window, or document etc.
This is simple as pie in Windows but Apple doesn't offer it.
During recording this make work flow a LOT easier and much faster.
No can do in Mac.

Do you mean you'd like to copy a file path/location and paste it somewhere else? If so, you can do that with Command-option-c.

 

[Kaibelf]

Oddly the current High Sierra release is fine. So what exactly are they breaking .. I mean fixing that is worth breaking everything in the process. I don't get it. Why not start from stable and get better as an idea? It defies logic.

You’re welcome to build a competing OS and prove your concept.

 

[VictorTango777]

Is the Console application still crippled?

 

[strangeengine]

Is the Console application still crippled?

+1

That seriously, seriously sucks.

- Mark

 

[steveaburns]

I'm waiting for the day when you can copy your location in the finder and then paste it in another finder window, or document etc.
This is simple as pie in Windows but Apple doesn't offer it.
During recording this make work flow a LOT easier and much faster.
No can do in Mac.

Well, I'm not sure it's as easy as windows, but in Finder, if you show the path bar (View -> Show Path Bar), then in the path bar, right click on the folder, and choose copy "xxx" as Pathname -- it will copy the path. You can then paste it in a document, or in another Finder window via Shift+Cmd+G followed by Cmd+V.

 

[KoolAid-Drink]

There are frameworks in MacOS that were originally made for NextStep and OS9 still hanging around.

Which frameworks are still hanging around in Mojave that was part of/written for classic Mac OS 9?

 

[VictorTango777]

Do you mean you'd like to copy a file path/location and paste it somewhere else? If so, you can do that with Command-option-c.

This is one of most annoying "features" in Mac OS: hiding menu commands and dialog box buttons behind the Option key. And with each new version of Mac OS, more commands are hidden. How does Apple expect users to know about these hidden commands? Are people supposed to press the Option key over every pixel of the screen, in every application to see if some hidden command reveals itself? In order of preference, the best thing for Apple and other developers to do is:
1. Not hide things behind the Option key in the first place.
2. Establish some kind of standard user interface convention such as a symbol in the menu bar, a highlighted button, or brief text to inform users "here be more stuff when you hold down Option key".

 

[greg624]

This beta definitely uses way less battery, especially on Safari. So far I'm really liking it. It feels really smooth. Other than launchpad, the UI lag seems to be horrible, at least for me.

 

[schalliol]

Finally macOS can now have socks. Been waiting for this since the original iPod ones.

We still use these for holding gift cards and loyalty cards that haven't moved to digital yet. I enjoy that I'm using an iPod sock every time!

 

[MrGimper]

Install says 8 minutes remaining, for the last 45 minutes

 

[mryingster]

Which frameworks are still hanging around in Mojave that was part of/written for classic Mac OS 9?

I probably spoke to quickly without thinking about the accuracy of the OS 9 part of the statement. I think parts of MacInTalk have managed to remain. If nothing else, there are resources, like the old MacInTalk voices still available since OS 9.

So maybe not; not sure!

 

[csurfr]

Has anyone noticed that the color of the windows when using dark mode change, based on your chosen desktop background?

 

[justperry]

Install says 8 minutes remaining, for the last 45 minutes

If I were you I would wait it out at least an hour or so, you don't want to end up with a hosed system.
Is this the first beta you installed, mine was hosed on my 2012 MacMini which has a secondary HD with windows on it and Filevault enabled, this happened with HS as well but sadly forgot about it.
All went well on my 2012 MBP which has one unencrypted SSD and no Windows partition.

Has anyone noticed that the color of the windows when using dark mode change, based on your chosen desktop background?

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Hmm, didn't notice yet, just leave it one colour, not my taste.

 

[displaced]

Didn't know that, interesting. After that Shift + Command + G in a new Finder window and your good... but quiet cumbersome compared to Windows.

Choose Show Path Bar from the View menu. Then, Cmd+Double-Click any part of the path in the path-bar (at the bottom of each Finder window).

The double-clicked part of the path will open in a new Finder tab.

Also, if you have a folder highlighted, Cmd+Opt+O will open it in a new tab.

Remember too that you can add your own AppleScripts to the Action menu (or the right-click context menu). I dare say there's already a 'Duplicate Current Window' script out there -- and you can even attach a keyboard shortcut to that using Keyboard preferences.

 

[drlacus]

Has anyone noticed that the color of the windows when using dark mode change, based on your chosen desktop background?

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There was a whole session on this during WWDC, it continuously monitors what's behind the active windows and changes the color of the windows accordingly. This makes it more harmonic with the background.

 

[chucker23n1]

Oddly the current High Sierra release is fine. So what exactly are they breaking .. I mean fixing that is worth breaking everything in the process. I don't get it. Why not start from stable and get better as an idea? It defies logic.

Yeah! I mean, why do developers write bugs at all? If they just leave out the bugs and focus on the features instead, quality will be way better.

(Answer: because it doesn't work that way. Sometimes, fixing bugs causes new bugs. Oftentimes, adding features requires changing existing code to make accommodations for the new capabilities, which in turn is highly likely to have bugs as side effects.)
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Which frameworks are still hanging around in Mojave that was part of/written for classic Mac OS 9?

Mojave still ships QuickTime. 10.15 won't any more, though.

 

[iKrivetko]

OSs are usually rebuilt from the ground up to include new features, changes, frameworks, etc.

Right, and the NS prefix in Cocoa stands for New Stuff.

 

[csurfr]

There was a whole session on this during WWDC, it continuously monitors what's behind the active windows and changes the color of the windows accordingly. This makes it more harmonic with the background.

Fancy! I thought maybe I was losing my mind.

 

[chucker23n1]

This is one of most annoying "features" in Mac OS: hiding menu commands and dialog box buttons behind the Option key. And with each new version of Mac OS, more commands are hidden. How does Apple expect users to know about these hidden commands?

They don't. These are power-user features. A file path isn't something most people will ever want to deal with, and copying it isn't relevant to them.

Are people supposed to press the Option key over every pixel of the screen, in every application to see if some hidden command reveals itself?

If they want to discover some advanced stuff, yes.

In order of preference, the best thing for Apple and other developers to do is:
1. Not hide things behind the Option key in the first place.
2. Establish some kind of standard user interface convention such as a symbol in the menu bar, a highlighted button, or brief text to inform users "here be more stuff when you hold down Option key".

The first option is bad because it clutters the UI with features that are only of interest to a small portion of people. The second is slightly less bad; it, too, makes the UI more cluttered, but I can see the appeal.

 

[hop]

Is Reeder working nicely for people in beta 2?

 

[Lepton]

A definite improvement. Beta 1 wouldn't even boot on my Mac unless I held down the shift key for safe mode. I kept removing things but didn't find the problem - but beta 2 fixed it.

 

[antmarobel]

I'been trying betas since, if I remember well, Yosemite and I've never saw a so stable beta OS like this one. I found just two bugs: while browsing The Intercept Brazil.com where the page white background turned into black and the my adblock were not working, but both bugs were fixed with this second beta. Really incredible.