Apple Seeds Seventh Beta of macOS Sierra to Developers and Public Beta Testers

[skillquest]

Wow, didn't even consider this. I have an early 2011 MacBook Pro. Found a 525 GB SSD on Crucial for $129. Seems like a no brainer.

Does it really make it feel like a new computer? Thanks.

Thom

Absolutely! I have a 2011 MacBook Pro which I updated with a 1TB SSD and 16 GB RAM. It runs the macOS Sierra Beta amazingly and I even run with 2-3 developer VMs with Windows 10 and Linux at the same time!

I am going to make this computer last until a 32GB+ TB3 MacBook Pro finally arrives.

 

[BaccaBossMC]

So as I was loading this page while running the new Beta, my rMBP completely crashed and had to restart. Not the most stable update, I guess. Also, mouse (Logitech M570) was not working right before crash. Guess there are some bugs.

 

[Tuckrat]

Once I upgraded my MacBook Pro and my wife's to SSDs, they are running just fine. Apple apparently didn’t bother optimizing for use with spinning disk drives.

There's only so much optimizing that can be done for the stock 5.4K RPM drive lol!

 

[glindon]

Still getting graphics corruption in Notification Center on my 2016 rMB. A diagonal glitch appears while scrolling. Been this way the whole beta. Anyone else? Last beta they finally fixed preview so photos appeared properly when zoomed. Before there were giant grey squares and you'd have to zoom in and out for the image to render right.

 

[Tuckrat]

Well, the SONOS app doesn't crash anymore like it did on the last release.

 

[keysofanxiety]

There's only so much optimizing that can be done for the stock 5.4K RPM drive lol!

Very true. Shame they still ship them in products Really tarnishes the reputation of the brand.

Even at their cheapest, Apple computers are still expensive, and the poor performance of the entry level products simply don't reflect the investment.

 

[jase1125]

??? Your Mac will not accept more than 8GB RAM. It doesn't matter what OS it runs. The CPU doesn't support more than 8GB RAM.

Has nothing to do with his CPU; has to do with the chipset on the mainboard. I'm sure Altis knows how to boot into Windows & Linux and see his MacBook is recognizing 16GB of RAM.

A quick check on the web shows others have a 17" mid 2010 MacBook Pro i7's with 16 GB recognized only in safe mode (with screenshots). So there is a software limitation for Mac for some reason.

 

[Andres Cantu]

I think El Capitan is where it ends for my 2010 17" MBP.

This doesn't seem to run all too smoothly for it. Windows 7/10 already runs a lot quicker than El Cap as it is, sadly.

That is pretty sad, so much for Apple's hardware and software working "harmoniously" together. Windows 7 should not run better than Apple's own OS in its own notebook.

We need a new Snow Leopard

 

[keysofanxiety]

Has nothing to do with the CPU; has to do with the chipset.

I don't quite understand why you're quoting me on this. I was discussing that the 17" 2010 MBP will not accept 16GB RAM. It's 8GB, regardless of OS. The i5-540M won't support more than 8GB RAM, whether it's Mac or PC.

Did I say CPU when I should have technically said chipset? I dunno. But surely the RAM limit comments are still valid? I'm a little confused what point you're making! Sorry.

 

[charlituna]

aaaaaand now for the obligatory... is it stable enough for a daily laptop?

Generally speaking if your computer is important enough that you would ask the question, the answer is no. So skip it or do what I do and install it on a second drive you can boot back as needed

 

[dugbug]

That is pretty sad, so much for Apple's hardware and software working "harmoniously" together. Windows 7 should not run better than Apple's own OS in its own notebook.

We need a new Snow Leopard

Windows 7 is old.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Windows 7 is old.

All the more reason why newer OS's should be less power-hungry and run better, or at least not worse than the initial OS.

 

[Blt50203]

Wow, didn't even consider this. I have an early 2011 MacBook Pro. Found a 525 GB SSD on Crucial for $129. Seems like a no brainer.

Does it really make it feel like a new computer? Thanks.

Thom

I have the same machine and installed the same sad and maxed the ram. It's faster than some of the new ones (have the core i7 as well)
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I have the same machine and installed the same ssd and maxed the ram. It's faster than some of the new ones (have the core i7 as well)

 

[sk1wbw]

Is Teh Snappy?

 

[duervo]

All the more reason why newer OS's should be less power-hungry and run better, or at least not worse than the initial OS.

Say wha? By that logic, and knowing that I can probably boot MS-DOS 6.22 in less than 3-5 seconds on an HDD today, after POST finishes, Windows 10 should startup in less than half a second on an SSD with all other hardware being equal, and less than 3-5 seconds on an HDD.

 

[Andres Cantu]

Say wha? By that logic, and knowing that I can probably boot MS-DOS 6.22 in less than 3-5 seconds on an HDD today, after POST finishes, Windows 10 should startup in less than half a second on an SSD with all other hardware being equal, and less than 3-5 seconds on an HDD.

Good point

Still, Windows 10 running better than El Capitan should not be.

 

[6836838]

Yeah, an SSD is the most bang for the buck upgrade for those old machines.

It will feel like a BRAND NEW COMPUTER. It's amazing.

Yep an SSD is a fabulous upgrade, along with maxed out RAM.

My mid 2011 i7 is running very smooth with Sierra and El Cap (dual-boot). Throw in a BT 4 USB dongle and you've got all the continuity features to boot (with a little tweaking and Google searching! SPOILER: https://github.com/dokterdok/Continuity-Activation-Tool)

 

[jase1125]

I don't quite understand why you're quoting me on this. I was discussing that the 17" 2010 MBP will not accept 16GB RAM. It's 8GB, regardless of OS. The i5-540M won't support more than 8GB RAM, whether it's Mac or PC.

Did I say CPU when I should have technically said chipset? I dunno. But surely the RAM limit comments are still valid? I'm a little confused what point you're making! Sorry.

The point I'm making is you are wrong. There are many folks who are indeed using 16GB of RAM in the mid-2010 17" MacBook Pros. MacOS/OS X won't boot with 16GB of memory unless in Safe Mode. However, Windows and Linux can successfully use the 16GB of memory. So what I'm saying, is you are wrong that 16GB cannot be used without qualifying OS X / MacOS. Linux and Windows can. Perhaps he is using the i7 and not the i5. However, I have seen several posters successfully using 16gb. Also, tested/support does not mean impossible. It is just what the manufacturer listed as validated.

Here is a thread here discussing it where a guy posted a screenshot of 16GB working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16gb-ram-in-a-mid-2010-macbook-pro.1511196/

 

[6836838]

A symbolically linked Documents folder still can't be found by Siri (pointing to another directory on an available mounted partition - working from Finder). Multiple bug reports raised.

Seems Apple want to force everyone to use to use iCloud for universal documents, else it won't be a smooth ride. With a dual booting machine (with El Cap and Sierra), it's convenient to have Documents and other similar folders located on a shared partition.
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The point I'm making is you are wrong. There are many folks who are indeed using 16GB of RAM in the mid-2010 17" MacBook Pros. MacOS/OS X won't boot with 16GB of memory unless in Safe Mode. However, Windows and Linux can successfully use the 16GB of memory. So what I'm saying, is you are wrong that 16GB cannot be used without qualifying OS X / MacOS. Linux and Windows can. Perhaps he is using the i7 and not the i5. However, I have seen several posters successfully using 16gb. Also, tested/support does not mean impossible. It is just what the manufacturer listed as validated.

Here is a thread here discussing it where a guy posted a screenshot of 16GB working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/16gb-ram-in-a-mid-2010-macbook-pro.1511196/

The i7 will (unofficially) support 16Gb. More suer about the i5's. My MBP mid-2011 i7 is running very nicely on El Cap, 8Gb and a 1Tb Samsung SSD though.

 

[rdy0329]

Do you have an SSD? El Cap runs like El Crap on a spinner. But max out the RAM, throw in an SSD, and you're laughing.

I can attest to this. 2010 MBP 13" with 512GB SSD and 16GB RAM and feels like a new(ish) Mac. Hopefully they still support it on the next OS update or my upgrade investment is but a waste.

 

[pat500000]

For those who have beta: does anyone know if they have new wallscreens?

 

[clunkmess]

For those who have beta: does anyone know if they have new wallscreens?

No new wallpapers.

 

[Tech198]

i like the drag and drip via Siri to document..

 

[pat500000]

No new wallpapers.

Oh darn it. Thanks.

 

[Populus]

aaaaaand now for the obligatory... is it stable enough for a daily laptop?

Hell, it is a beta.
If you want a stable version of macOS, you should wait until first or second official versions (10.12.1 and onwards)