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Is Siri available only on a limited set of recent hardware (ala iOS) or would be available on all machines that macOS Sierra can run on?
 
Don't think so. Apple released a seed note too. So would you also say apple jumped the gun too?

Yes but that doesn't excuse MR from waiting until it is actually confirmed to be available. I checked the seed notes, there's nothing listed as fixed in beta 6. Apple did this before, they accidentally added the version but pulled it later.
 
Guys, I can't even update to macOS Sierra public beta 4.

The App Store shows that an update is available, but clicking on the update button does absolutely nothing...

They may have removed the seed in preparation for PB5. If DB 6 is actually ready for release today. Or has this been an on going issue?
 
Anyone think siri or cortana with have any impact on desktop/laptop computing? Its just more ui bloat from both camps
 
Having to take an iPhone out of your pocket is not as intuitive as unlocking with the Watch, but it's still an improvement on the current password-based method that would reach many more users.

For Apple it's a feature not worth developing, because they see the potential to sell more Watches. For the average user, there isn't any reason it shouldn't be possible.

How would this improve "the current password-based method", other than making it faster for some users? There is still a need for a password on the mac, so bad passwords as a vector for a hack is still as much a problem as at any other time.


I don't think the average user would benefit a great deal, I think it would benefit a minority of users. It's completely technically possible to bring this to iPhone, and you're right, Apple isn't motivated to being a so-so experience to iPhone users because not doing so makes the Watch more compelling. If you want to avoid typing your password, get an Apple Watch because it offers the best possible experience for doing so. Frustrating? Maybe, but the rationale is fairly straightforward to me.
 
They may have removed the seed in preparation for PB5. If DB 6 is actually ready for release today. Or has this been an on going issue?

It's been an ongoing issue since the first time the update was available. I'm using terminal to find an update and beta 4 is the only one that shows, also.
 
It's been an ongoing issue since the first time the update was available. I'm using terminal to find an update and beta 4 is the only one that shows, also.

Weird, you could try changing the DNS settings either to Google DNS or back to your ISP's to see if that forces it to look at a different CDN server, I'm not sure other that that off the top of my head. Might be worth waiting a while though in case an update is released today. Sorry I can't help more than that.
 
Weird, you could try changing the DNS settings either to Google DNS or back to your ISP's to see if that forces it to look at a different CDN server, I'm not sure other that that off the top of my head. Might be worth waiting a while though in case an update is released today. Sorry I can't help more than that.

If I re download the file from the App Store, it should download the latest file right, NOT public beta 1?
 
wear on your keyboard? are you seriously worried about this??
It's something I'd like to avoid if possible. That doesn't mean I waste my time being worried about it.
I don't think the average user would benefit a great deal, I think it would benefit a minority of users.
A lot of people carry around their iPhone and laptop Mac at the same time, or dock the iPhone near the Mac if it's a desktop. The feature should be useful in either situation.
How would this improve "the current password-based method", other than making it faster for some users? There is still a need for a password on the mac, so bad passwords as a vector for a hack is still as much a problem as at any other time.
This was being discussed when the 5s first came out and is relevant to anything unlocked with Touch ID. I'm surprised you haven't had all this time to think about it.
 
If I re download the file from the App Store, it should download the latest file right, NOT public beta 1?

That's the behaviour with regular apps yes. I'm not sure if it's the same for Public Beta's. I'm downloading it onto my MacBook at the moment. So I'll let you know in a bit what version it downloads. There's no way to tell from the list in the purchased tab as it still has the original PB1 date next to it.
 
This isn't currently a feature and I don't expect it will be. The watch is always unlocked as long as it remains on the user's wrist, unlike the iPhone which is locked as soon as the display sleeps. To auto-unlock with the iPhone then, the user would still have to locate the iPhone (which may or may not be a big deal, depending on where the phone is at any given moment), authenticate with TouchID, and then they would have access to their Mac. For many people this isn't likely to save them a great deal of time over simply typing in their password. My phone is generally in my pants. I can type my computer user password faster than I can retrieve my phone from my pocket and touchID it.
Many people keep their phones in a purse or bag. That's an even bigger imposition than a pocket! Really the only people who would save time with auto-unlock via iPhone would be those people who happen to have the phone in their hands as they sit down to their computer. This is probably a lot of people at any given moment, but probably NOT a majority.

Unlocking my Mac via phone Touch-ID would be great. It's usually nearby on my desk or on me. My watch is usually off my wrist by 8pm, so having a phone unlock option would be welcome. Would everyone use this? No. But many will and it costs nothing other that a bit of development time. It's another piece of Apple's Continuity strategy.
 
Sure this is a part of it. The watch is a much better tool to unlock your Mac with than the iPhone, so the resources required to create the feature are better off directed towards the watch. Auto-unlocking with iPhone just wouldn't be a great experience under most circumstances, at least not relative to the Watch. It does, of course, make the watch just that much more compelling as a side-effect. Isn't it funny how that works?

It would be way more useful to me to be able to unlock 1Password on my Mac using Touch ID on the iPhone.
 
How would this improve "the current password-based method", other than making it faster for some users? There is still a need for a password on the mac, so bad passwords as a vector for a hack is still as much a problem as at any other time.


I don't think the average user would benefit a great deal, I think it would benefit a minority of users. It's completely technically possible to bring this to iPhone, and you're right, Apple isn't motivated to being a so-so experience to iPhone users because not doing so makes the Watch more compelling. If you want to avoid typing your password, get an Apple Watch because it offers the best possible experience for doing so. Frustrating? Maybe, but the rationale is fairly straightforward to me.

Nothing to do with unlocking faster but more to do with using stronger and unique passwords that you type less frequently. I use a 30-character password, it takes 2-3 seconds to type it in and 50% of the times, I have a typo, so it can take up to 10 seconds to unlock for me. I always have my iPhone next to my Mac and it would take less than a second to press the home button. If I can use Touch ID, I would be using even stronger randomized passwords per Mac.

For the same reason Apple built Touch ID in the first place, to allow stronger passwords to be used but less frequently used. They convinced majority of their iPhone customers from having no passcode to majority having a 4-6 digit passcode and stronger passphrases. This was mentioned at WWDC's security talk.

There is zero reason Apple cannot implement the same support on iPhones, it is absolutely possible to do this and in fact, there are third party apps that does this already for a few years now. They're just upselling the Apple Watch and frankly, it leaves a bad taste IMO. Security should never be used to upsell a product like this.
 
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Usually the later betas on OS errrrr Mac OS fix the early VM Ware fusion errors. For example, internal error was common with this one when trying to load up your VM. Is this still broken?
 
I think it is necessary to consider the situation at a more macro level. What is the number of people who have their phones handy (docking, or literally in hand) as they sit at their Mac, and at what frequency?
My guess is that the number of people who have their phone handy as they sit at their Mac is rather small, and the percentage of those people who do so regularly even smaller. Just because YOU frequently (though surely not always) have your phone handy when you sit at your Mac doesn't mean this is how it is for many people most of the time.

Conversely, how many Apple Watch users have their apple watch on and unlocked when they sit at their mac, and at what frequency? My guess would be this number would approach nearly 100% of Apple Watch users nearly 100% of the time.

Of course, if we looked at absolute numbers, there are far more iPhone users than Watch users (which are, by definition, a sub-set of iPhone users), so whatever the percentage of iPhone users is that has their phone handy at their mac the majority of the time may well outnumber the near-100% of Apple Watch users, but it seems fairly clear that the iPhone would offer a poorer experience even in those cases compared to the watch, and if it happens to make the watch a more compelling product at the same time, then why spend resources on creating a so-so experience for a minority of iPhone users?

Why spend resources? Because it's a great feature many will use. It's not a stretch that many desktop users will have their phone nearby. As the framework already exists, the incremental cost for adding this feature is mice-nuts. Just do it and make a bunch of people smile - even 1% of the user base would be a large number.
 
You can use an app called MacID if you want to unlock using your iPhone's Touch ID, but it's really not that handy. Typing a password takes a second, while taking out your phone, unlocking it, pulling down notification center, hitting the unlock button, waiting for the Touch ID popup and then using your finger to unlock it takes at least 10.
 
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You can use an app called MacID if you want to unlock using your iPhone's Touch ID, but it's really not that handy. Typing a password takes a second, while taking out your phone, unlocking it, pulling down notification center, hitting the unlock button, waiting for the Touch ID popup and then using your finger to unlock it takes at least 10.
That does sound tedious, but is necessary due to Apple's restrictions on 3rd-party apps. An official Apple method would be to take out the iPhone and unlock it once, thereby also unlocking the nearby Mac, I'm sure.

I wonder if there's a jailbreak tweak to simplify the process used by the 3rd-party app.
 
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