Apple Sending iOS 5 to iPhone Assemblers at End of September, No Sign of Redesigned iPhone 5

[Number 41]

man, how many times does it need to be said? you're not *supposed* to. annual models arent designed to entice you to ditch your existing handset; they just annual updates. do you update your MacBook every year? your how audio receiver? same thing.

the people reading this site are *not* apple's core customers. most people dont care about cores or memory. they are just buying the *latest* iphone iteration.

thats how it works.

What about those of us on 3GS contracts? This upgrade is meaningless to us -- it doesn't add new features to iOS (which fully supports 3GS already), it doesn't give access to new apps (99.9% of the app store is 3GS compat.), it retains the same crap build materials (glass, enough with it already).

This my "two year upgrade" phone, and I can't identify a single reason to upgrade. I'd be spending $200 to buy a phone that's more fragile than my 3GS, has no new features, runs the same iOS I can run on my 3GS, and locks me into a 2 year service agreement that will hamper my ability to get a phone when/if Apple decides to actually add something.

Total fail if this is true.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Yeah! That's why all the iOS 5 features are direct rip-offs of the competition (iMessage, Notification Center, smarter lock screen).

They are better implementations, integrated with an OS that was already a better user experience. Who cares if the concept of the feature itself was copied?

 

[KentuckyHouse]

I do have a problem with people making blanket statements that we all want a larger screen when clearly there are plenty of us who like the current screen size and the smaller handset that this allows for.

For God's sake. Have you been hiding under a freaking rock for the last 6 months??? YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER SCREEN IN THE IPHONE 4 FORM FACTOR WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE DAMN PHONE!!!

Have you SEEN the bezel around the outside of the screen??? Or how much room there is between the top of the screen and the earphone? You could easily fit a 3.75-4" screen in there and NOT INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PHONE AT ALL.

You old farts that want to keep everything the same drive me insane! "Well, if it was good enuff fer me pappy, then it be good enuff fer me". Times change, consumer's wants change. The trend is to have bigger screens on mobile devices. Either get with the program or hold on to your beloved iPhone 4 for another year. But stop with the "Wah...I don't want a bigger screen...wah...because it'll make the phone bigger...wah!!!" IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE THE PHONE BIGGER! And I'm reminded of another poster's question when someone was crying over a larger form factor..."What kind of tight-a$$ pants are you wearing that you can't fit the phone in your pocket???"

BTW, to the person that said that Steve wouldn't let a porker phone wear the Apple label...BREAKING NEWS...Steve resigned (and probably hasn't been in control of day-to-day operations for months).

/rant and I'm officially done with this thread. To those that want to reply to me, take solace in the fact that I won't read it.

 

[WestonHarvey1]

Typing is moot. With no tactile feedback, you have to look anyhow.

I don't look. Not on my iPhone or my iPad. Only occasionally when autocorrect fails me.

 

[Yumunum]

What about those of us on 3GS contracts? This upgrade is meaningless to us -- it doesn't add new features to iOS (which fully supports 3GS already), it doesn't give access to new apps (99.9% of the app store is 3GS compat.), it retains the same crap build materials (glass, enough with it already).

This my "two year upgrade" phone, and I can't identify a single reason to upgrade. I'd be spending $200 to buy a phone that's more fragile than my 3GS, has no new features, runs the same iOS I can run on my 3GS, and locks me into a 2 year service agreement that will hamper my ability to get a phone when/if Apple decides to actually add something.

Total fail if this is true.

More RAM, faster processor, front facing camera, better back-facing camera, thinner... None of that matters to you? Not saying the iP5 upgrade is amazing, but from a 3GS it'd be pretty great, in my opinion.

 

[JohnnyQuest]

They are better implementations, integrated with an OS that was already a better user experience. Who cares if the concept of the feature itself was copied?

I think you're in the list of "Top 10 Biggest Apple Stans" on this site. Just saying.

 

[KnightWRX]

They are better implementations, integrated with an OS that was already a better user experience. Who cares if the concept of the feature itself was copied?

Apparently, Apple cares enough to launch a metric ton of lawsuits when the competition does it to one of theirs.

No seriously, the iOS 5 stuff isn't even better than the competition it is ripping off, it's just blatant rip offs.

I don't look. Not on my iPhone or my iPad. Only occasionally when autocorrect fails me.

And you know autocorrect fails you how exactly if you're not looking ? The keyboard is on the same screen as the text you're typing. So either you're looking or you're not. On the other hand, I am typing this out without even looking at the screen or the keyboard on my nice hardware keyboard connected to my work PC.

 

[Mr.niceguy]

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why is it when someone says if its not a redesign there going to android? like seriously androids suck to the T!!! Every one said evo was better...look that phone has had some many problems now the galaxy II is posses to be better? really people? It has the same design as the iPhone...if y'all are such android fans y are y'all on "Mac" rumors?

 

[Number 41]

More RAM, faster processor, front facing camera, better back-facing camera, thinner... None of that matters to you? Not saying the iP5 upgrade is amazing, but from a 3GS it'd be pretty great, in my opinion.

Does it access me better features on iOS? Nope.

Does it give me access to lots of new apps? Nope.

Is it more durable than my current (3GS) phone? Absolutely 100% not.

If I want to video chat, I can use my MacBook, and if I want to take a picture that actually matters (and not something silly to upload to twitter or send to a friend), I can get a real camera with a real flash and optical zoom.

That's not worth $200 to me. It's certainly not worth $200 AND precluding me from buying a real hardware update next summer.

 

[badtzwang]

I don't look. Not on my iPhone or my iPad. Only occasionally when autocorrect fails me.

How do you know if autocorrect fails you, if you don't look?

 

[cvaldes]

For God's sake. Have you been hiding under a freaking rock for the last 6 months??? YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER SCREEN IN THE IPHONE 4 FORM FACTOR WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE DAMN PHONE!!!

Have you SEEN the bezel around the outside of the screen??? Or how much room there is between the top of the screen and the earphone? You could easily fit a 3.75-4" screen in there and NOT INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PHONE AT ALL.

There are potential usability issues by having the screen go all the way to the edge. The device would actually be harder to use because your fingers would have more tendency to accidentially touch something on the screen.

This is why the iPad has an 18 millimeter border on the long sides. When you are holding the device, your fingers have something to grasp onto without triggering something on the touch panel.

Same thing with my iPod touch. The four millimeters on each long side gives the fingers some place to hold onto. You really don't want the screen to go all the way to the edge.

Just because they could put in an edge-to-edge screen wouldn't necessarily make a handheld device better to operate. For a screen that is not meant to be touched (e.g., notebook computer), an edge-to-edge screen might be more viable design option.

 

[Wiesenlooser]

It would really surprise me if that turns out to be the iPhone 5... so basically the only change would be an A5 and a new radio chip.

that would make me wonder what took Apple so long to release such a phone which would basically be just a very minor update to the old version.

I think this could be the iPhone 4S. A cheap off-contract phone that could compete with mid-range Android devices. Since it is basically just a bumped iPhone 4 - which is now over a year old I believe they could produce this for a very cheap price and sell it for 299 off contract as a maximum pricepoint or even lower... this would be huge.

 

[blackcrayon]

What about those of us on 3GS contracts? This upgrade is meaningless to us -- it doesn't add new features to iOS (which fully supports 3GS already), it doesn't give access to new apps (99.9% of the app store is 3GS compat.), it retains the same crap build materials (glass, enough with it already).

This my "two year upgrade" phone, and I can't identify a single reason to upgrade. I'd be spending $200 to buy a phone that's more fragile than my 3GS, has no new features, runs the same iOS I can run on my 3GS, and locks me into a 2 year service agreement that will hamper my ability to get a phone when/if Apple decides to actually add something.

Total fail if this is true.

Not to mention double the RAM, 3X the CPU performance and > 4X the GPU performance. Stuff that has no effect on running apps (& a much better camera, a front camera, 4X the display resolution)

 

[WestonHarvey1]

I think you're in the list of "Top 10 Biggest Apple Stans" on this site. Just saying.

I don't post too often so I don't know how I got on your hypothetical list.

Note that I've never said Android was worthless or something like that. They've built a credible competitor to iOS. But I prefer the overall quality of experience of iOS, which is owed not to ideas but to a completely different development culture than you see at Google or Microsoft.

 

[bushido]

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why is it when someone says if its not a redesign there going to android? like seriously androids suck to the T!!! Every one said evo was better...look that phone has had some many problems now the galaxy II is posses to be better? really people? It has the same design as the iPhone...if y'all are such android fans y are y'all on "Mac" rumors?

the Galaxy S II looks nothing like the iPhone ...

anyway, i dont really like the design of android, starting with too much black and weird too technical looking font but i'm starting to consider the jump nevertheless considering ...

 

[KnightWRX]

if y'all are such android fans y are y'all on "Mac" rumors?

Because Macs are not phones ?

OMG! Android's creator uses a Mac! How dare he!

 

[WestonHarvey1]

How do you know if autocorrect fails you, if you don't look?

I'm still looking at the screen, just not the keyboard.

Though on the iPad, I can touch type in a meeting all day without looking at the device at all, and when I go back to read it hardly any words are wrong.

 

[Teste]

More RAM, faster processor, front facing camera, better back-facing camera, thinner... None of that matters to you?

To me, no. Whenever I'm using my iPhone, I'm holding it, so if the grip doesn't feel good, the extra speed or the slightly better camera don't help. The 3GS has a better grip than the 4, due to its curved back. I use it only for work-related things (reading PDFs, writing down notes), communication-related things (phone calls, text messages and browsing the internet) and a few other things (taking pictures very once in a while). Those things the 3GS already do very well, so the iPhone 4 features are not really a must have.

I'm worried my 3GS will soon break, though. I have been using it every day since I bought it, two years ago, so I wouldn't be surprised if it stops working. I would rather replace it by something better than by something that, to me, feels worse.

 

[Number 41]

Not to mention double the RAM, 3X the CPU performance and > 4X the GPU performance. Stuff that has no effect on running apps (& a much better camera, a front camera, 4X the display resolution)

99.9% of the apps in the app store run just fine on a iP4 or 3GS. That will continue into the future until at least the next upgrade cycle b/c devs won't want to spec-out the iP4 user base and lose money.

And, as I said, if I have to take a picture, I'm not pulling out a phone with an LED flash. I'm getting out a real camera, with a real flash and real optical zoom. Cameras on cell phones are toys -- very fun, and good for casual picture taking, but not to be taken seriously for photography. The 3GS camera does just fine for toy photography.

 

[JohnnyQuest]

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why is it when someone says if its not a redesign there going to android? like seriously androids suck to the T!!! Every one said evo was better...look that phone has had some many problems now the galaxy II is posses to be better? really people? It has the same design as the iPhone...if y'all are such android fans y are y'all on "Mac" rumors?

I say this out of concern for your future...please learn how to type.

 

[SuprUsrStan]

For God's sake. Have you been hiding under a freaking rock for the last 6 months??? YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER SCREEN IN THE IPHONE 4 FORM FACTOR WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE DAMN PHONE!!!

THANK YOU.

Jesus, why is everyone saying a 3.7 inch screen would increase the size of the iphone?!

 

[alent1234]

It would really surprise me if that turns out to be the iPhone 5... so basically the only change would be an A5 and a new radio chip.

that would make me wonder what took Apple so long to release such a phone which would basically be just a very minor update to the old version.

I think this could be the iPhone 4S. A cheap off-contract phone that could compete with mid-range Android devices. Since it is basically just a bumped iPhone 4 - which is now over a year old I believe they could produce this for a very cheap price and sell it for 299 off contract as a maximum pricepoint or even lower... this would be huge.

the japan earthquake?

some really minor and cheap parts like glue are only made in japan

 

[Geckotek]

For God's sake. Have you been hiding under a freaking rock for the last 6 months??? YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER SCREEN IN THE IPHONE 4 FORM FACTOR WITHOUT INCREASING THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE DAMN PHONE!!!

Have you SEEN the bezel around the outside of the screen??? Or how much room there is between the top of the screen and the earphone? You could easily fit a 3.75-4" screen in there and NOT INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PHONE AT ALL.

Wrong, max is 3.7"...not 4".

THANK YOU.

Jesus, why is everyone saying a 3.7 inch screen would increase the size of the iphone?!

Simple geometry.

 

[dthphotography]

Stop with the analysts!

Maybe this new analyst is paid by HTC to stop people from waiting for the iPhone 5 and by a Bionic? It seems unlikely Apple would bump up the processor and camera and nothing else especially when you consider the millions and millions of phones that they are producing currently in line with their estimates..

 

[Nachoconqueso]

I thought 4S=N94 5=N97.