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Apple Sending iOS 5 to iPhone Assemblers at End of September, No Sign of Redesigned iPhone 5
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He speaks for me...so no, please stop saying THIS ^. Some of us are drooling over android screen sizes and designs. Plenty of people here at MacRumors and other Apple sites have made it very clear that we DO WANT a larger screen. Stop acting like you speak for the majority because you most certainly do not. Even if we were to assume that 50% of all iPhone users wanted to keep the tiny, out-of-date 3.5" screen, there is still the other 50% who do not.
There...I fixed that for ya.
I'm so glad you were able to fix it for me. I was hoping someone could help me out of my deluded state. Now that you say this guy speaks for you then it is official. This now means that 100% of MacRumors users agree, including me. Your insightful comment has made me realize that a 5 inch screen on the iPhone would be perfection. And not only do 100% of MacRumors users think this, but so do 100% of all users everywhere. My Aunt Ruth, and my cousin Joey, and my best friend Jason now all agree also. Before you posted this they were all very satisfied with the 3.5 inch screens of their 3Gs/4, but now they are all suddenly clamoring for 5 inch screens.
Thanks again!
Uhh, no, it wasn't.
"One of the people, who saw a prototype of the phone late last year, said it is intended for sale alongside Apple's existing line. The new device would be about half the size of the iPhone 4, which is the current model"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704657104576142262842435544.html
Is anyone else here tired of chasing technology for it's own sake? I'm a technogeek from way back, and I used to drool over every advancement in technology, but now that I'm older and married and have other priorities for my disposable income, I no longer see the point of, "I need to have a new phone every year, and it had better wow me with new features that I can't even conceive of right now, and it had better look different from the current model, or I'm switching to another brand!" That's quite different from the more sensible approach of, "My current phone doesn't do x, y, znd z, and I need those features because of [...], so when a phone with those features comes out, I'm going to buy it."
After reading this and similar threads, the only features people seem to want or need on the next iPhone for specific reasons are 1) support on more carriers, 2) a 4" screen, 3) more RAM to store more content, and 4) a faster processor. All but the 4" screen are probably givens, but people complain that if that's all that the new iPhone has, it will only be a minor upgrade, they're switching to an Android, and it's the beginning of the end for Apple. I can see someone not liking the iPhone 4's case, but most of the people who want a new case don't say they dislike the current case, just that the new one had better look different. Some say they want a better camera, but that equates to "more megapixels, because other phones have more megapixels," rather than saying what, specifically, is wrong with the current camera, or that other smartphones produce better pictures.
As for me, I'm happy with my iPhone 4, and I'm going to pass on the next iPhone, no matter what. A lot of what I used to do on my iPhone, I now do on my iPad. I don't see how the quality of the Retina display could be improved upon. 4" would be nice, but not enough to make me buy a new phone. 128 GB of RAM is the magic number for me, because I could fit my entire iTunes collection and all the other stuff I store on my phone, but that's not going to happen this time around. The only improvement I could see for the camera would be an optical zoom lens like I have on my dedicated digital camera, but the slimness of the iPhone prevents that, and I don't know whether that can ever be solved from a physics standpoint. With the iPhone 4's great audio and video capability, a built-in stereo mic would be nice for field recordings, but not if it degraded the quality of phone conversations. I wish the phone dropped fewer calls, but that's an AT&T issue.
So there's nothing compelling me to upgrade to a new phone. Someday, inevitably, new apps won't run well on my iPhone 4. Eventually, new features will come out that I don't even know I want or need now, but that will make me want to upgrade. With the iPhone 4, the extra processor speed, Retina display, and great still and video camera were enough to make me upgrade from my iPhone 3G. But it's not as if I have money burning a hole in my pocket that I want to spend every year on whatever phone has the latest bells and whistles, or that I'll be pissed off at Apple if they don't come up with a major upgrade.
I'm not saying that other people shouldn't upgrade every year "just because," if that's what they want to do, and they have the money to do it. But I don't understand the motivation behind it. Actually, I do understand, because I used to be the same way, but I finally realized I've spent many thousands of dollars over the years on technological upgrades that I didn't need or take advantage of, and that became obsolete all too quickly. I wish I'd put that money into Apple stock instead of some the products I bought.
After reading this and similar threads, the only features people seem to want or need on the next iPhone for specific reasons are 1) support on more carriers, 2) a 4" screen, 3) more RAM to store more content, and 4) a faster processor. All but the 4" screen are probably givens, but people complain that if that's all that the new iPhone has, it will only be a minor upgrade, they're switching to an Android, and it's the beginning of the end for Apple. I can see someone not liking the iPhone 4's case, but most of the people who want a new case don't say they dislike the current case, just that the new one had better look different. Some say they want a better camera, but that equates to "more megapixels, because other phones have more megapixels," rather than saying what, specifically, is wrong with the current camera, or that other smartphones produce better pictures.
As for me, I'm happy with my iPhone 4, and I'm going to pass on the next iPhone, no matter what. A lot of what I used to do on my iPhone, I now do on my iPad. I don't see how the quality of the Retina display could be improved upon. 4" would be nice, but not enough to make me buy a new phone. 128 GB of RAM is the magic number for me, because I could fit my entire iTunes collection and all the other stuff I store on my phone, but that's not going to happen this time around. The only improvement I could see for the camera would be an optical zoom lens like I have on my dedicated digital camera, but the slimness of the iPhone prevents that, and I don't know whether that can ever be solved from a physics standpoint. With the iPhone 4's great audio and video capability, a built-in stereo mic would be nice for field recordings, but not if it degraded the quality of phone conversations. I wish the phone dropped fewer calls, but that's an AT&T issue.
So there's nothing compelling me to upgrade to a new phone. Someday, inevitably, new apps won't run well on my iPhone 4. Eventually, new features will come out that I don't even know I want or need now, but that will make me want to upgrade. With the iPhone 4, the extra processor speed, Retina display, and great still and video camera were enough to make me upgrade from my iPhone 3G. But it's not as if I have money burning a hole in my pocket that I want to spend every year on whatever phone has the latest bells and whistles, or that I'll be pissed off at Apple if they don't come up with a major upgrade.
I'm not saying that other people shouldn't upgrade every year "just because," if that's what they want to do, and they have the money to do it. But I don't understand the motivation behind it. Actually, I do understand, because I used to be the same way, but I finally realized I've spent many thousands of dollars over the years on technological upgrades that I didn't need or take advantage of, and that became obsolete all too quickly. I wish I'd put that money into Apple stock instead of some the products I bought.
Care to explain?
He claimed it was an analyst who made the claim when the report clearly says it wasn't.
I suppose Apple could ANNOUNCE the iP4S and the iP5, with the 4S available mid-October for $99 with contract and the iP5 available after Black Friday at the usual price points. This would still be consistent with not having any iP5's in the manufacturing channel at this time, while allowing me to continue to delude myself into thinking that this can't be all there is...
What do you mean? Theres been a few reports saying Foxconn is making 150,000 iPhone 5's a day now.
What do you mean? Theres been a few reports saying Foxconn is making 150,000 iPhone 5's a day now.
150,000 iPhone 5's that happen to be a much better than the iPhone 4 phone in an iPhone 4 type casing.
Again guys : The case does not make the phone. The iPhone 5 can very well have only a slightly modified exterior and still be an heck of an upgrade.
150,000 iPhone 5's that happen to be a much better than the iPhone 4 phone in an iPhone 4 type casing.
Again guys : The case does not make the phone. The iPhone 5 can very well have only a slightly modified exterior and still be an heck of an upgrade.
You are one of only a few here on MR who actually seems to gets it and makes sense.
The article states that the model that is being manufactured is the N94, commonly referred to on this forum as the iPhone 4S, which, aside from a small upgrade in specs, is essentially the same as the iPhone 4. When I refer to the iPhone 5, I'm talking about a new model worth waiting 15 months for that might be able to take some of the wind out of Android's sails, at least for a few months.What do you mean? Theres been a few reports saying Foxconn is making 150,000 iPhone 5's a day now.
Fair enough, but could the specs described in this article really be described as "a heck of an upgrade"?150,000 iPhone 5's that happen to be a much better than the iPhone 4 phone in an iPhone 4 type casing.
Again guys : The case does not make the phone. The iPhone 5 can very well have only a slightly modified exterior and still be an heck of an upgrade.
You are one of only a few here on MR who actually seems to gets it and makes sense.
I'm pretty sure every 3GS owners knows it.
Look at all the iPhone 3G owners and their botched iOS 4 release... and then look at the 3GS and its fully functionnal iOS 5 release. Us 3GS owners understand how big an update a new CPU/GPU architecture is on its own, never mind mixed with all the goodies the 3GS had over the 3G.
Let the 3G -> 4 people talk down about the 3G -> 3GS upgrade, they don't know what they missed on.
The A5 alone is an "heck of an upgrade". Throw in something like a 3.7/3.8" screen that can fit in the iPhone 4 casing, a potential camera upgrade to match the Xperia Arc and a few other hardware tweaks and you've got your "heck of an upgrade" in a iPhone 4 case.
This article is pure speculation as much as any other article. No matter what comes out of Apple, it will be a great handset and it won't be dubbed iPhone 4S.
You people must be stupid or something to think that Apple is redesigning the iPhone5.
iPhone5 = iPhone4 with A5 processor, maybe a better camera, LTE and MAYBE RFID.
If it;'s anything totally different I promise I will never post on Macrumors again. Ever.
iPhone5 = iPhone4 with A5 processor, maybe a better camera, LTE and MAYBE RFID.
If it;'s anything totally different I promise I will never post on Macrumors again. Ever.
I can't understand how anyone could believe this..
So Apple waits 16 months and bring NO CHANGES to iPhone (excluding A5).. I'm surprised they admit the A5 process is used, why not say they are going to stick w/A4, shrink the screen size 2 1/2 inches, and bring back the 3MP VGA camera.
While you are at it, give us tips about Apple working on shorter battery life and bring back firewire compatibility.
NEXT rumor...
So Apple waits 16 months and bring NO CHANGES to iPhone (excluding A5).. I'm surprised they admit the A5 process is used, why not say they are going to stick w/A4, shrink the screen size 2 1/2 inches, and bring back the 3MP VGA camera.
While you are at it, give us tips about Apple working on shorter battery life and bring back firewire compatibility.
NEXT rumor...
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I for one am not saying a 3.7 inch screen would increase the handset size. I know you can't possibly read all posts by all users, but one of my posts in this thread said a slight increase to 3.7 would be fine, but that 4.0, 4.3 and 4.5 to me are not slight increases. These larger sizes would in no way allow for the handset to stay the same size. My size concern is related to overall device size. If they can throw a 3.7 or 3.8 in the same size handset, then I don't mind. But if it causes the handset size to balloon up to the size of an Android phone, then I want nothing to do with that. Luckily for me and others, I do not believe Apple plans a size increase. But we will have to wait and see.
When the case is made of materials that aren't durable enough to survive everyday wear and tear, then yes -- the case DOES make the phone.
After widespread problems with shattering, and widespread antenna problems, it is absolutely a failure on Apple's part to stick with the same design.
And your posts on the subject of "upgraded internals" are tiring -- you've conceded already that there will be few, if any, apps which take advantage of the upgraded internals for quite some time, and there will be no (as of right now) new iOS features that take advantage of the new internals. In fact, most reports from behind the NDA wall indicate iOS5 runs surprisingly smoothly on 3GS legacy tech.
So, again, tell me why anyone should care how much RAM or how fast the processor on the phone is, unless there's some kind of contest you can win for having the fastest phone?
I for one am not hung up on a case redesign, but if the only real difference is the A5, we could have had that phone in January along side the iPad2.
I can almost guarantee the next iPhone will not be the same design as the iPhone 4, would be such a step backward for the iPhone in competition with the droid phones.
I am calling it now, there will be an iPhone 5! the iPhone 4S will be the cheaper model, wasn't the N94 model already confirmed to have a 5MP camera?
If the N94 was really the next iPhone 5, why would it still have a 5MP camera?
-Franky
I am calling it now, there will be an iPhone 5! the iPhone 4S will be the cheaper model, wasn't the N94 model already confirmed to have a 5MP camera?
If the N94 was really the next iPhone 5, why would it still have a 5MP camera?
-Franky
New phone = New OS. Apple weren't releasing the iPhone 5 with iOS 4 on it. Thus iOS 5 needed to be ready. And again, Apple maybe wanted to have simultaneous iPad/iPhone releases this year, which meant pushing back new phone hardware to the fall (remember the iPhone 4 with iOS 4/iPad with iOS 3.2 debacle).
How could the next iPhone have a slightly larger screen, unless iOS5 has resolution independence or Apple starts making displays with larger pixels (and then what happens with the "Retina Display" moniker)?
Each iPhone gets 3 iOS revisions. The iPhone 3G had to suffer a butchered experience on iOS 4 to meet this criteria, the iPhone 3GS does not for its iOS 5 release.
That's why.
Same resolution 3.8" is still above 300 PPI, which is what is required for the "Retina" effect at 12" viewing distance, the claims made during the iPhone 4 introduction. A 3.8" 960x640 is as much retina as a 3.5" screen of the same resolution.