Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
No, not all people have agency. An indeterminate chunk of Apple customers buy solely because they don't want to look poor. These types have no inner monologue so it's just going with the flow

That's valuable to some and might make a product superior to another.

Let's say such a person bought an Android phone because it had more and better features, was cheaper, easier to repair, etc. but made him look poor, it would be a stupid decision.

If Apple didn't make products which stopped people from looking poor, they might have to buy even more expensive cars, watches, shoes or clothing.

It's pretty great that Apple is helping people and at the same time making money. That's not an easy combination.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: SidricTheViking
OK…

Well… I would propose to you that you are possibly a bit of an outlier with that level of reliability, again, especially with HomePods.

Respectfully, I think Apple themselves would be a little bit surprised you’ve never encountered even a slight hiccup or a bug

You are very fortunate
Cheers

People make up stuff on the internet. Every time someone starts a thread about an issue they have he is the 1st one to respond that its their fault because he doesn't have any issues lmao Everything is just peachy in Apple World for some people even though they lie.

I have friends and acquaintances that will pretend everything is perfect in Apple World when talking to android people, but when we're alone they'll tell me how much their iPhone sucks or some other Apple product but they stay because it's too much of a hassle to switch or because everyone they know has Apple....and there are A LOT of people out there like that...stuck for some reason even though they wish they had more choices.
 
When you think about that… what does Apple really have beside a die hard brand following group.

I mean… they don’t produce anything. Their software is falling behind and the quality of it too.

They’ve the knowledge of the M-series of chips. But that’s a matter of time that Qualcomm beats them too.

They have brand loyalty for sure and a strong protected ecosystem.

All the hardware they’re selling isn’t theirs. All parts of other vendors.

So what value does Apple really have?
Surely you are being sarcastic?

Saying their hardware isn’t theirs is false. They design almost all, except some of the technical aspects that they buy in (like the wifi chips). They produce high quality devices. The windows laptop I recently bought is junk in build and quality compared to my 2020 MacBook Air. Both in software and hardware. Why the hell does it force an update once a week when I have to turn it on? And then it takes at least an hour (sometimes 3) before I can use it.

With regard to software. How do you transfer photos from one device to another? How about if you want to send a webpage you are looking at to your other half, or a friend when they are on another device?

If I make a change to 1 of my 3 Apple TV's the others replicate that change. Instantly (And yes I can turn that feature off).

If you have 2 Bluetooth speakers next to your TV, how do you turn them into a stereo pair when the Sonos Stuffs up once again?

Apple products have value because they simply work better together than any other devices. Over to you to explain how other ecosystems work better together.
 
Butterfly keyboards prove people will stick with a brand that abuses their trust because of, I guess, tribalism and in-group preference

Any many of them are here. They have a dysfunctional relationship with Apple. They have been dissatisfied with Apple for 10-20 years and still buy Apple stuff.

The 2015 MacBook was my favourite computer until I got an Apple Silicon MacBook.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: steve09090
No, not all people have agency. An indeterminate chunk of Apple customers buy solely because they don't want to look poor. These types have no inner monologue so it's just going with the flow
Same thing for Android and windows users. Many of them refuse to go with Apple because they don’t want to look like sheep! But they are doing the exact same thing. "I’m smarter than Apple because I don’t buy Apple". Great argument you have.

What does indeterminate mean? You don’t know if there is a chunk, but there might be and you will just go with that? You may as well say "a non zero chunk"
 
  • Like
Reactions: heretiq and kitKAC
When you think about that… what does Apple really have beside a die hard brand following group.
A diehard group to propel them to $4T. Sign me up.
I mean… they don’t produce anything.
False.
Their software is falling behind and the quality of it too.
False.
They’ve the knowledge of the M-series of chips. But that’s a matter of time that Qualcomm beats them too.
We’ll see. If and when the time comes.
They have brand loyalty for sure and a strong protected ecosystem.
Agree
All the hardware they’re selling isn’t theirs. All parts of other vendors.
That’s the same as the car you buy isn’t totally manufactured by the manufacturer.
So what value does Apple really have?
Its ecosystem. Valued to be $4T. Like it or not. All of the false criticism in the world isn’t being heard by the universe.
 
No, not all people have agency. An indeterminate chunk of Apple customers buy solely because they don't want to look poor. These types have no inner monologue so it's just going with the flow
Trying to dig into the psychology of the buyer is really hits rock bottom as for logical and cogent arguments relating to apple popularity.
 
People make up stuff on the internet. Every time someone starts a thread about an issue they have he is the 1st one to respond that its their fault because he doesn't have any issues lmao Everything is just peachy in Apple World for some people even though they lie.

So, I'm a liar now? Because I have no issues with Apple products?

Precisely where did I respond to someone that some problem was their fault?
 
A diehard group to propel them to $4T. Sign me up.

False.

False.

We’ll see. If and when the time comes.

Agree

That’s the same as the car you buy isn’t totally manufactured by the manufacturer.

Its ecosystem. Valued to be $4T. Like it or not. All of the false criticism in the world isn’t being heard by the universe.


When iPhone 12SSSSSSSSSSSSS Pro drops and ecosystem value hits 5 trilli :cool:


 
  • Like
Reactions: 9081094
So, I'm a liar now? Because I have no issues with Apple products?

Precisely where did I respond to someone that some problem was their fault?
Pretty sure I read where you acknowledged there were problems. Oh there it is, right at the tip of the page.


Calling you a liar is disingenuous and false. But hey, being fanatical about hating on Apple and people who like Apple products has been a thing on here for ages.

that's why they neeeeed to charge so much for RAM and SSD
I think we can all acknowledge there is never any need for them to charge so much for RAM and SSD upgrades. But let’s be honest here.
1. It has no bearing on stock Valuations​
2. There is no need for Microsoft to charge anything for Windows either.​
It’s the crazy crazy world we live in I guess where companies get to make their own choices (Unless you live in the EU)
 
  • Like
Reactions: citysnaps
Even the iPhone is getting way behind in what the competition is offering. Hard- and software are nowhere on parity with the kinds of Samsung, oppo, xiaomi, etc. And when considering the Google pixel pro… AI offerings from Apple are for kindergarten.

Most of Apple's 2 billion customers, and especially the iPhone customers, values simplicity, uniformity, convenience, as close to zero work as possible when it comes to administration and integration, beauty etc.

What Android people values I don't know but it probably is something different.
 
Most of Apple's 2 billion customers, and especially the iPhone customers, values simplicity, uniformity, convenience, as close to zero work as possible when it comes to administration and integration, beauty etc.

What Android people values I don't know but it probably is something different.

Just on this. They have 2 billion active devices this does not equal 2 billion customers. There are only 8 billion people on the planet. Extremely unlikely 1 in 4 own an Apple device.
 
Just on this. They have 2 billion active devices this does not equal 2 billion customers. There are only 8 billion people on the planet. Extremely unlikely 1 in 4 own an Apple device.
I don’t think that was the point of the post. The point of the post is that they believe Apple users value certain things (the list is long).

But Android people value different things, but we don’t know what. Maybe you can extend on that? I can try but people won’t like it. 🤨
 
I don’t think that was the point of the post. The point of the post is that they believe Apple users value certain things (the list is long).

But Android people value different things, but we don’t know what. Maybe you can extend on that? I can try but people won’t like it. 🤨

Just clearing that up, it's been repeated multiple times in this thread as evidence of how many happy and returning customers Apple have.
 
Just clearing that up, it's been repeated multiple times in this thread as evidence of how many happy and returning customers Apple have.
Fair enough. I just gloss over stuff like that, and make mistakes like that all the time. I just thought the points were more valid than the error. I still think the point about not knowing what Android users see as more desirable than Apple users is a great question that I rarely ever see answered.

Android fans tend to dwell on hate on Apple rather than the benefits of a fragmented ecosystem.
 
Just on this. They have 2 billion active devices this does not equal 2 billion customers. There are only 8 billion people on the planet. Extremely unlikely 1 in 4 own an Apple device.
In addition:
What counts as active? Daily use? Weekly? Monthly? Network access? Powered up? Is my 12” G4 PowerBook, that I power up once or twice a year an active device?

What counts as a device? Air tag? Is an AirPod 1 device or is it 2 devices or is it 3? Is an Apple TV remote as separate device? Cables? Cleaning cloth?
 
  • Love
Reactions: 9081094
In addition:
What counts as active? Daily use? Weekly? Monthly? Network access? Powered up? Is my 12” G4 PowerBook, that I power up once or twice a year an active device?

What counts as a device? Air tag? Is an AirPod 1 device or is it 2 devices or is it 3? Is an Apple TV remote as separate device? Cables? Cleaning cloth?

I have absolutely no doubt they are counting every single polishing cloth as an active device!

Fair enough. I just gloss over stuff like that, and make mistakes like that all the time. I just thought the points were more valid than the error. I still think the point about not knowing what Android users see as more desirable than Apple users is a great question that I rarely ever see answered.

Android fans tend to dwell on hate on Apple rather than the benefits of a fragmented ecosystem.

It's just very unlikely to be anywhere close to accurate so yeah it does matter when you are using it to support your argument. If it wasn't being used for emphasis why was the figure even used in the first place?

You would have to ask an Android user the Android question I mean 'fans' and 'hate' are strange words to use about corporations to be honest. I don't really get emotional about any of them really.
 
It's just very unlikely to be anywhere close to accurate so yeah it does matter when you are using it to support your argument. If it wasn't being used for emphasis why was the figure even used in the first place?

You would have to ask an Android user the Android question I mean 'fans' and 'hate' are strange words to use about corporations to be honest. I don't really get emotional about any of them really.
So it’s the way they framed the question that annoyed you rather than the content. An emotional response when it’s actually not the point of the post?

I have absolutely no doubt they are counting every single polishing cloth as an active device!

And you are using this to support an argument. Sounds like an emotional response to me. If you are sooooo concerned About facts and getting things right, why write this?

If you have "no doubt", where do you garner that information?
 
No that's a joke. Try to keep things in perspective won't you?
lol. Jokes. I thought it was hypocrisy.

No didn't annoy me. It's just a bit silly to think Apple have 2 billion customers isn't it and people kept repeating it.
Pretty sure people keeping repeating something of an easy error annoyed you. Otherwise why correct something that you said happens all them time. What is the point of correcting someone for something when it isn’t the actual point of the post. Someone even corrected me for putting 3 emojis instead of the required one on this thread! But we are all wired differently.

I still want to know why people prefer Android instead of why they hate Apple. I get the jealousy and being envious, but is it just because it’s the only alternative no matter how bad their ecosystem is?
 
  • Like
Reactions: psycho78
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.