Apple Set to Become First $4 Trillion Company

[9081094]

For the record, I had several butterfly keyboards and no issue with a single one ever. Personally I think Apple external keyboards are trash so that’s on you. There was no bend gate. That’s like saying guns kill people. People who treat their phones like trash bent them.

The butterfly keyboard only came with Apple laptops.

About the bent gate with the iPhone 6, several test showed they were very easy to bend compared to mobile phones from other brands.

I agree with you though that you always have to be careful with electronics.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

If you want dividends, buy IBM.

I don't actually care about dividends, but am 100% anti stock-buyback, across the board, unless a company is going private and said company has officially declared that it will.

It's nothing but a tool to distort market value.

For the record, I had several butterfly keyboards and no issue with a single one ever. Personally I think Apple external keyboards are trash so that’s on you. There was no bend gate. That’s like saying guns kill people. People who treat their phones like trash bent them.

I agree! There was no antenna-gate, either, just people holding their phones wrong.

 

[9081094]

I don't actually care about dividends, but am 100% anti stock-buyback, across the board, unless a company is going private and said company has officially declared that it will.

It's nothing but a tool to distort market value.

And it’s always suspicious when the buyback comes before the time to discuss Timmy’s salary. His salary depends on how Apple’s stock is faring 🤔

 

[Joshuaorange]

The butterfly keyboard only came with Apple laptops.

About the bent gate with the iPhone 6, several test showed they were very easy to bend compared to mobile phones from other brands.

I agree with you though that you always have to be careful with electronics.

Yes, Apple had more than 1 model and more than 1 generation of butterfly keyboards. I had several and no issues with any of them. Personally I liked them and thought the whole thing was way overblown, but I get that they were operating in a very tight space and prone to failure. Yes iPhone 6, 6+ were easier to bend than a Samsung at the time. I never understood why Apple didn’t add the backbone in the middle of the frame like Samsung does. That said, that is a non issue if you aren’t sitting on it and even less so if it’s stainless/ titanium.

 

[Joshuaorange]

And it’s always suspicious when the buyback comes before the time to discuss Timmy’s salary. His salary depends on how Apple’s stock is faring 🤔

You can thank Reagan for the terrible practice of stock buybacks.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I have zero issues with my iPhone, iPads, Macs, HomePods, and Watch. They just work. As expected.

C’mon

“Zero” issues?

Nothing?
Not a single thing?

That’s almost not even possible (especially with a HomePod in the mix there 😂)

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don't actually care about dividends, but am 100% anti stock-buyback, across the board, unless a company is going private and said company has officially declared that it will.

It's nothing but a tool to distort market value.

Amen … they used to be illegal… for a reason

 

[I7guy]

Consumer satisfaction reports tell a different story. It’s going down for Apple. I’m am one of them.

Easy to web search:
1. 2024 ACSI top position personal computer category
2. 2023 shared top spot with Samsung in computers
3. 2023 81% in the smartphone segment. Higher than any other brand
4. Apples Nps was 72% in 2022. Higher than the industry average.

So unless you want to go against the above - you would be wrong.

 

[ghanwani]

I was predicting Apple to have hit $10T by now. This is obviously a disappointment.

However, meantime, I'd like to share this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1872654922308886923

If only the price to sales were to bump up to 25, Apple could be $10T company right now!

 

[citysnaps]

C’mon

“Zero” issues?

Nothing?
Not a single thing?

That’s almost not even possible (especially with a HomePod in the mix there 😂)

Yep zero. Zero issues. And that's with six HomePods. They just work. Two Macs, one running 24/7 for five years handling my 8 security video cams and home automation software, three iPads, an iPhone 16PM, two laptops, a Watch, and an Apple TV.

My wife also has a bunch of Apple stuff (a Mac, iPhone 16, a couple of iPads, Watch). Zero issues. Zero.

All of the above get heavy usage.

 

[I7guy]

That is one guys opinion.

That’s one guys expert opinion worth more than a number of MR “apple is doomed” posts.

Also nobody said they were dying, they have been too big to 'die' for years, that's probably part of the problem. Far too comfortable.

It does mean that there is a broad infrastructure to support.

Wouldn't mind some of whatever Mr Ives has been smoking on if he thinks that anything in the area of AI is currently indicating a golden age of growth for Apple. Although that could change obviously.

Ok.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Yep zero. Zero issues. And that's with six HomePods. They just work. Two Macs, one running 24/7 for five years handling my 8 security video cams and home automation software, three iPads, an iPhone 16PM, two laptops, and an Apple TV.

OK…

Well… I would propose to you that you are possibly a bit of an outlier with that level of reliability, again, especially with HomePods.

Respectfully, I think Apple themselves would be a little bit surprised you’ve never encountered even a slight hiccup or a bug

You are very fortunate
Cheers

 

[9081094]

OK…

Well… I would propose to you that you are possibly a bit of an outlier with that level of reliability, again, especially with HomePods.

Respectfully, I think Apple themselves would be a little bit surprised you’ve never encountered even a slight hiccup or a bug

You are very fortunate
Cheers

Maybe he’s using them wrong 😜

 

[citysnaps]

OK…

Well… I would propose to you that you are possibly a bit of an outlier with that level of reliability, again, especially with HomePods.

Respectfully, I think Apple themselves would be a little bit surprised you’ve never encountered even a slight hiccup or a bug

You are very fortunate
Cheers

I don't think my personal Apple products assessment is all that unusual. As an aside I'm an engineer (systems and hardware) and have also used them for work as part of deliverable systems and for personal use for years.

Regarding HomePods... I listen to music all the time with them. It's great having an all-you-can-eat music stream, in any genre, available anywhere in my house. I do keep them updated with the latest software updates.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don't think my personal Apple products assessment is all that unusual. As an aside I'm an engineer (systems and hardware) and have also used them for work as part of deliverable systems and for personal use for years.

Regarding HomePods... I listen to music all the time with them. It's great having an all-you-can-eat music stream, in any genre, available anywhere in my house. I do keep them updated with the latest software updates.

Certainly, as an engineer by trade, you do acknowledge that there are hiccups and bugs with products, right?

I mean the company themselves acknowledges that otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing updates to fix problems

Perfect tech products, with zero issues whatsoever, simply don’t exist

 

[DownUnderDan]

Half of Macrumor members…. "Apple are going downhill fast. Time Cook has destroyed this company"! 😂😂😂

Well done Apple, Well done Tim. You have done well with my monthly paychecks.

General observation. I find if you have to use three emojis to try and emphasise your point - you don't actually have a point.

 

[citysnaps]

Certainly, as an engineer by trade, you do acknowledge that there are hiccups and bugs with products, right?

I mean the company themselves acknowledges that otherwise they wouldn’t be pushing updates to fix problems

Perfect tech products, with zero issues whatsoever, simply don’t exist

For sure there have been (and are) bugs in Apple software. You can't expect 100% perfection 100% of the time when humans are involved.

I just never have encountered any that I'm aware of that rise to the level of being annoyed. Maybe I had a computer hang or two 10+ years ago (not something I would likely remember). Maybe a HomePod played dumb once or twice. But that's relatively mice nuts and not something that would anger me.

 

[vantelimus]

I don't actually care about dividends, but am 100% anti stock-buyback, across the board, unless a company is going private and said company has officially declared that it will.

It's nothing but a tool to distort market value.

I'm sympathetic to an anti-stock-buyback stance when it comes to the use of buybacks to affect short-term objectives, such as meeting EPS or share-price projections.

That said, the effect of stock buybacks on market value is not straightforward. In theory, it should not affect the market cap of the company. The stock price should rise because the market value would be spread over fewer shares. The reality, though, is that buybacks can indirectly influence the price of the stock in both positive and negative ways by affecting investor perception. In the short term, buybacks tend to make stock prices rise disproportionately because it signals the belief by management that the company is undervalued whether true or not. In the long term, the buyback tends to only affect the stock price positively if the company indeed was undervalued.

As I said I am sympathetic to an anti-stock-buyback stance since they can be used to allow investors to cash out at artificially high prices. There are, however, times at which a buyback is good. If a company is undervalued it is a way to correct the problem. It is also a good mechanism to return value to shareholders in a more flexible way (think tax timing) than dividends. It is also a way for a company to make irregular distributions to shareholders without signaling instability as it would with wildly varying dividends.

 

[steve09090]

General observation. I find if you have to use three emojis to try and emphasise your point - you don't actually have a point.

General Observation. I find Grammar Policing on emojis is actually pointless and pretty pathetic at the same time.

 

[NewOldStock]

Without Stock Holder money how much does Apple really have?
How much Stock Holder money do they get to play with % wise?
If some of these companies ever lose stock moneys down the tubes they go.
P/E...lol....

 

[hans1972]

We all know that Apple is good a lock-in, and to act like it's (or isn't) always a purely rational decision is disingenuous. I know a few people that buy Apple because it's easier rather than what they believe is better.

Coworker sitting next to me has several times complained that he would like to go back Samsung (he's been on iPhone for at least a few years) but it's easier to not because he and his family all use Apple and Apple services.

"Easier" is a quality which contributes to a product or service being better.

Simplicity, uniformity, convenience and integration within the Apple ecosystem should be the most important reasons why someone is an Apple customer, in addition to beauty.

Complexity should be the hallmark of Android, Windows and Linux.

 

[steve09090]

Indeed.

And as evidenced by Apple's 2 Billion active and repeat customers who love Apple products and continue to purchase them. Year after year after year. That speaks volumes.

I have zero issues with my iPhone, iPads, Macs, HomePods, and Watch. They just work. As expected.

Whilst I agree with you in most every way. One of my Apple TV remotes did lose connection the other day before it regained connection 3 seconds later. Oh the humanity 😂. 4 Trillion dollars and my remote did this to me!

 

[WarmWinterHat]

"Easier" is a quality which contributes to a product or service being better.

Simplicity, uniformity, convenience and integration within the Apple ecosystem should be the most important reasons why someone is an Apple customer, in addition to beauty.

Complexity should be the hallmark of Android, Windows and Linux.

Easier, in the post you are referencing, means that is easier to stick with what you have instead of changing, even if changing will end up better. Example: It's easier to stay overweight instead of dieting. We all agree that the dieting will result in a better outcome, but it's not easier.

As for beauty, that's actually a downside for me. I use apple in-spite of their beauty, because said beauty comes at the cost of durability and comfort. I think naked iPhones are uncomfortable as hell, and they sure aren't durable when hiking, camping, running, using with wet hands in an hospital on tile floors while running, etc.

 

[9081094]

Without Stock Holder money how much does Apple really have?
How much Stock Holder money do they get to play with % wise?
If some of these companies ever lose stock moneys down the tubes they go.
P/E...lol....

When you think about that… what does Apple really have beside a die hard brand following group.

I mean… they don’t produce anything. Their software is falling behind and the quality of it too.

They’ve the knowledge of the M-series of chips. But that’s a matter of time that Qualcomm beats them too.

They have brand loyalty for sure and a strong protected ecosystem.

All the hardware they’re selling isn’t theirs. All parts of other vendors.

So what value does Apple really have?

 

[MacBookPro88]

I don't think you'll ever leave Apple is my point. I've diversified my technology even if I want Apple to do better. To be sure they have a lock on desktop silicon, but I really love my Pixel fold and S24 ultra way more than the 16 PM collecting dust on my shelf. You're trapped in the ecosystem and I don't think you've got the wherewithal to leave. You would have to buy all sorts of new software and accessories. The lock in has you. Thank you for making my stock go up you can never leave.

Yeah, he's not going anywhere. lol