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The Watch could be something. And Apple of all companies has the time and money to pour into it. I just know that for me the Fitbit is super simple, just like the first iPod. Everyone in my family has one just like everyone in my family has had iPods, whereas I've yet to meet a person with an Apple Watch. At first I thought the Apple Watch might get big if it ever evolved to not need an iPhone to make phone calls or send messages (built in cellular connection), but the problem is that people will still want a bigger display for those things.

The same is true for music these days. I and everyone I know uses Spotify. For me it's just simpler than Apple's offerings.

Neither of those is a death knell for Apple, and in fact I think it would be better if Apple focused on its core competencies like OS X and making it better and better. Apple wasn't a company that used to have to control every market segment. The original iTunes worked with the Rio. I think they could have let iTunes go into the sunset over time rather than try with Apple Music and just recognize that Spotify is what makes sense now. The iTunes Store was in service of the iPod, which Apple isn't even really trying to sell anymore. The iPhone is a huge reason why services like Spotify have made iTunes less relevant. When you have a device that can stream anything, it makes iTunes less relevant. In the same way, it seems like Apple became afraid of wristband devices connecting to the iPhone and felt it had to control that segment as well.

I think there's nothing wrong with and it's better to have a super solid platform that people love to use with their third party apps (Spotify) and devices (Fitbit). In fact, one of the things I most appreciate about iOS is that even though Spotify is a third-party app I can control it from the Control Center to pause, skip, or go directly to the Spotify app. I'd love even more if I could control the app with Siri. I think they've ignored OS X too much, though. It's been buggier the last few years. Apple is more like Microsoft used to be in that they want to be in every segment just to be in it. Microsoft had the money to wait their competitors out. They could make a tablet even if it failed. Apple is in that position now. They can make a watch even if it fails. In 1997 Apple couldn't make a product that was going to fail. They had to work with other companies and make deals (Microsoft) and they had to focus on their core competency, which was their OS. I think that they have so much room to fail now works against them.
While I agree with you on spotify I think music is an area that apple plans to dominate and their platform will only get better, to the point of extinguishing spotify (like spotify has almost completely done to pandora)
 
China is not in a recession nor will enter a recession, still growing at 6+ %, the only thing is their growth is slowing from the highs of 10+ %.

How do you know that China is growing at that rate when everyone in the West says that China is cooking its national books to show more growth than in actually happening?

But that said, I would tend to agree with you, slow growth is not a recession and I bet China is actually still growing. I have no idea at what rate, but I think it is at least growing.
 
Ha... No, I don't day trade anymore... that was a lifetime ago when it was fun during the internet bubble. According to some here, I should short Apple as it is going to $30 lol
One thing I tell people at the beginning of engineering meetings is this (and this is for those that were predicting the $30 AAPL Price):

"You can change your mind after you say something. You're not held to that position, and have to stick with it."

I've had great success with that attitude. It builds trust, and encourages people to think outside the box.

Yeah, I remember the late 90's. I worked for a company whose stock would trade at 40 +/- 2 during the day and return back to its opening price. If it was up at 10am, I would buy it, then sell at 1 ish, and make $2/share (nice 5% gain), and then buy again right before close. If it was down, I would sell at 1 ish, and buy it back before the close.

Good times!
 
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I've been telling people this a lot lately. If you bought an S&P 500 index fund in August 2013, you'd be up almost 20% now even with the current downturn. Almost nothing gives that kind of return.

I own stock in CURE. That stock was at 33 cents when I bought it and is at 25 dollars now. I bought Apple at 89 dollars before the split. If you know what you are doing then mutual funds are actually not that good a bet. I own a number of them to balance risk though.
 
Fed printing press went into overdrive at the open today! Today didn't even happen. lol



Exactly why I said, "don't catch a falling knife". I'm a trader since 1988, that's how I've made my living for my family. I do not invest. Some stocks but futures are my game. I look for key levels. No averaging down. No emotion my algos are fully automatic.

If you traded aapl today @ $98, good job.
And on average, people doing what you do realize far lower returns than long-term investors. Not only are such strategies resulting in lower returns, those returns are taxed at a much higher rate.

Algorithms are right some of the time, which gives the illusion of predictability. But it's far more unpredictable than anyone can determine. As said previously, I've "caught the falling knife" repeatedly (buying before hitting bottom) and have made out handsomely from doing so because my time frames are decades, not months. You can say stocks will go up by a lot, or say they will go down by a lot, and be correct each time. What you CAN'T say with consistency is WHEN they will go up or down.
 
TERRIBLE buying opportunity. The stock market has just begun a huge correction, you won't be seeing rebounds for a very long time.
No one knows what will happen to the markets and it's always a gamble putting your money on something most don't have enough inside information on to trade effectively. However now is a good time to buy as apple still has another year of huge 6s upgrades to go and buying when the whole market is down is very very advantageous. Lots of people took their money out but they're gonna invest it back in again somewhere, they're too greedy to just pull out totally. If anything apple is likely to use some of it's huge stock pile of cash to buy back stock when it's low!
 
Rocketman, have they loosened up the standards again?
Very slightly. The credit standards and doc requirements are still very high, and the down payment requirements have been slightly relaxed. The commercial loan requirements are so tight small banks are suffering and consolidating, the exact opposite of too big to fail. Banks are getting bigger to withstand not only the harsh standards the Fed imposes but also the massive new regulations issued under Dodd-Frank.

Typical of government, they cause a problem, (very publicly announced) fine the regulated to deflect attention, and close the barn door after the horse has left (very publicly announced regulations) to look good to their constituents, few if any of them are involved in the system.

It is literally a shakedown.

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You seem to be against the existence of the stock market, judging by the "legalized gambling" remark. Right? Did you know that selling stock is how companies raise money for their initial operations?

I'd also say "source please" on the part about Wall Street rigging the government, but I think there isn't really a source for that. I would assume that they do it in some way, but I don't know to what extent. Either way, I really don't think they have a bailout cushion to fall back onto. Tech giants come and go.

The "source" is open your eyes and look around you.
Do corporations not get special tax breaks that no one else gets?
And doesn't the govt GIVE them these breaks?
Who helps AT&T/Comcast and others maintain their monopolies on internet access? Isn't it the govt -with laws that block competition? Most Americans (70%) have no choices for DSL/internet access. In my area, I can choose AT&T or AT&T.
How many different companies can you get your electricity from? If it's only one that would make it a monopoly. Who allows monopolies to exist? The govt.
Who let WS write their own rules - which led to the crash in 2008? Wasn't that the govt? (putting corporate profits before protecting the public from unbridled greed) And who paid for that bailout mess? Taxpayers. Is that a new version of "capitalism?"
Not all companies startup with an IPO. IN fact, most small family businesses don't ever have stockholders.

There is nothing wrong with having a stock market. But it's much more than just buying shares in a company. There's all sorts of gambling going on that has nothing to do with funding companies. Ever heard of short sales/options/buying on margin/bundling mortgage securities/insider trading? the list goes on - and it's all flat-out gambling without regard for consequences.

Apple is just one company among many that answers to stockholders and that is not necessarily a bad thing. But don't think for a minute that Apple isn't using US laws (like the rest) to take advantage of the system to boost profits. The sad part is that most WS gambling on stocks and other investment schemes are legal. They won't create wealth for average, working class people, but it's the system we have, as flawed as it is.
 
What trading platform is the best? TD Ameritrade? I am a beginner stock trader.

If you're a new investor, or any investor for that matter go with the robinhood app. Started by a couple Stanford guys with good venture capital backup. No commission trades so it's really good for new or small cap investors. Commissions won't eat into your gains or add to your losses. Can't do derivatives trading, but for standard buy a stock/sell a stock... Great app and concept.
 
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