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3 hours was a hell of a wait I tell ya. Lol. It's called software based algorithmic trading. Nothing is real in the short term. Just some legalized gambling is all.
Gave me good laugh. People on MacRumors predicting stock market "corrections" based on what they heard on TV and nothing else.
You do realize the banks is what caused this right?

If I racked up $50,000 in credit card debt, I don't get a bailout without punishment.

The economy needs a huge reset, and it starts with the big banks collapsing. They're too big and are getting bigger.
I thought banks caused the last downturn in 2007-2008? Blaming everything on banks again might be pushing it when the real answer might be closer to "people never learn" "people always make excuses for their over spending". I include myself in the over spending. At some point we need to take responsibility for our own actions.

But to hope the economy completely crashes just so you can be happy that big banks fail means that millions of people will face eviction, starvation, poverty... on and on.
 
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How do I determine what the current stock price equivalent would be before the split? Does someone have a number I can multiply the current stock price by? I would assume it would be that easy right?
Do you mean if Apple was $100 right now, what would it be before the split? It was a 7:1 split, so the price would have been $700 before the split.
 
Let's see Tim's 8k public filling for that memo release as the stock was tanking. Hey Tim I hope the SEC investigates that garbage.

Whatever it takes, right Tim?
 
Of course you are obviously wrong. Banks are simply franchises of the Federal Reserve. They are required to follow liquidity and lending requirements very proscribed on them. Therefore the problem we had with them was the federal rules governing them, not the managers and employees and the business itself.

Lending standards in 2007 were such that if you could breathe you could get a loan. By 2010 when prices and rates were awesome, lending standards were nearly impossible to meet. That desperately hurt people and favored corporations who snapped up for all cash tens of thousands of foreclosed homes.

Why didn't POTUS fix that since his regulators were the ones making those decisions? I am curious.

You have misdirected rage.

Rocketman

An even better question is why doesn't he just fix that today while rates are still low? There is a reason, because the fix is dead easy.

It shouldn't be that hard to understand. If the person can't afford the loan, then why is the bank allowed to lend money to them? The federal reserve essentially is a bank in itself, but the problems I'm talking about also lie within the way banks operate compared to credit unions.
 
Fed printing press went into overdrive at the open today! Today didn't even happen. lol

That's a great concept, except that no one - no one - knows when the bottom is until well after it's occurred. The smart money buys on the way down, and sells on the way up. During any of the previous recessions or depressions, if you bought on the way down, you always made out in the long term. Of course, you have to be patient, and patience is in very short supply these days.

Exactly why I said, "don't catch a falling knife". I'm a trader since 1988, that's how I've made my living for my family. I do not invest. Some stocks but futures are my game. I look for key levels. No averaging down. No emotion my algos are fully automatic.

If you traded aapl today @ $98, good job.
 
It shouldn't be that hard to understand. If the person can't afford the loan, then why is the bank allowed to lend money to them? The federal reserve essentially is a bank in itself, but the problems I'm talking about also lie within the way banks operate compared to credit unions.
Because the big banks transferred most loans to the government agencies like Fannie and Freddie which were bailed out. Any other bad loans were also bailed out by the Feds.

Without that implicit backstop, they wouldn't have made those bad loans in the first place.

Heads they win, tails they win.
 
Fed printing press went into overdrive at the open today! Today didn't even happen. lol



Exactly why I said, "don't catch a falling knife". I'm a trader since 1988, that's how I've made my living for my family. I do not invest. Some stocks but futures are my game. I look for key levels. No averaging down. No emotion my algos are fully automatic.

If you traded aapl today @ $98, good job.
No kidding, I loved Cramer's line this morning" Panic is never a good strategy" well other's strategy was very very good for me today
 
While I feel bad for the working class people that rely on Wall Street to keep their retirement funds "safe," I have no sympathy for the crooks and thugs that use legalized gambling and greed to run the world. What they all seem to forget is that if the "little people" have no money to spend they can't buy their products.

WS has also rigged the game by using the govt to give them handouts no one else gets. Apple has a huge cash cushion and will weather the storm just fine.
 
Because the big banks transferred most loans to the government agencies like Fannie and Freddie which were bailed out. Any other bad loans were also bailed out by the Feds.

Without that implicit backstop, they wouldn't have made those bad loans in the first place.

Heads they win, tails they win.

There's gotta be a way to break up these big banks.
 
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I 'may' have over stated the 30bucks (although 50 is imho very likely indeed) but I think we are in for a lot of pain in the next few weeks/months, this is just the start.

No chance.

Can I ask what you think will stop this rout?

Sure - people coming to their senses and realizing that there's no real new information in the market that we didn't know about before.

Do you know why the market has risen for the last 5/6 years? If you do, then I can't understand why you are optimistic...

Yes, I do. Record corporate profit margins and low discount rates owing to low interest rates around the world (which are a result of consumer deleveraging and lower future growth prospects). This makes the present value of cash flows you are entitled to much more valuable.

You seem to think you have all the answers: why don't you take all your money and short the market?
 
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Stock markets rely on expected future cash flows.

Apple makes their own processors, antennas, radios, boards, devices. Why is nobody thinking about them for IoT. I say simply because there are no announcements, rumors, or even speculations of what they could or would make. They already have the network resources too.
 
I 'may' have over stated the 30bucks (although 50 is imho very likely indeed) but I think we are in for a lot of pain in the next few weeks/months, this is just the start.

Even 50$/share is still in Great Depression levels of panic, within US stocks. That's a pretty pessimistic view, seeing as China's economy itself isn't imploding like we saw in the US and Europe in the depression, but the stock markets are panicking. The bigger concern I have here is that even if China's correction drives itself into a depression (which honestly, with how bubbled their economy is, is a possibility), it will ripple out as recessions in other countries, but that might not be bad for the world at large (and especially India). But even in a recession, >50% loss is excessive (120/share -> 50/share). 25% is a more likely number, IMO, assuming this generates recessions in the US and Europe like the US did last decade.

I do agree with the comments about volitility. It will take a while for all this to sort out, especially with Bejing interfering with their own markets in an attempt to stall things, as it hides how bad the panic is, and makes people even less certain about the future (since they don't see the bottom as quickly).

Can I ask what you think will stop this rout? What news apart from massively reduced stock prices will entice the market to buy? What good news is there on the horizon.

Do you know why the market has risen for the last 5/6 years? If you do, then I can't understand why you are optimistic... Like I said, just my opinion, if anyone thinks I am dead wrong, I wish you luck on your purchases.
My money is off the table.

It isn't about what will stop the rout, but rather what would keep it continuing. Are banks beginning to fail? Are employers going broke? Laying off employees? Are we seeing a shrinkage of the buying power of Chinese consumers? All these things are factors in how this plays out in the larger scheme of things beyond a stock panic, and how other markets get affected over the coming months.

I try not to follow overall market trends all that closely, since they are the one thing I can't really control (once the avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote). And my investments are already diverse as it is. And being so far out from my own retirement, another recession in the US now, while painful, is not a reason to withdraw my money, or stop investing for my retirement.
 
Nah man. After an announcement it always drops. Current expectations from investors include curing cancer, solving global warming, and the Apple Rocketship.
Some people here have made a lot of money off of AAPL shooting up, splitting 7 ways in the process. Nobody was complaining about high expectations while that was happening.
 
While I feel bad for the working class people that rely on Wall Street to keep their retirement funds "safe," I have no sympathy for the crooks and thugs that use legalized gambling and greed to run the world. What they all seem to forget is that if the "little people" have no money to spend they can't buy their products.

WS has also rigged the game by using the govt to give them handouts no one else gets. Apple has a huge cash cushion and will weather the storm just fine.
You seem to be against the existence of the stock market, judging by the "legalized gambling" remark. Right? Did you know that selling stock is how companies raise money for their initial operations?

I'd also say "source please" on the part about Wall Street rigging the government, but I think there isn't really a source for that. I would assume that they do it in some way, but I don't know to what extent. Either way, I really don't think they have a bailout cushion to fall back onto. Tech giants come and go.
 
You do realize the banks is what caused this right?

If I racked up $50,000 in credit card debt, I don't get a bailout without punishment.

The economy needs a huge reset, and it starts with the big banks collapsing. They're too big and are getting bigger.

Of course you are obviously wrong. Banks are simply franchises of the Federal Reserve. They are required to follow liquidity and lending requirements very proscribed on them. Therefore the problem we had with them was the federal rules governing them, not the managers and employees and the business itself.

Lending standards in 2007 were such that if you could breathe you could get a loan. By 2010 when prices and rates were awesome, lending standards were nearly impossible to meet. That desperately hurt people and favored corporations who snapped up for all cash tens of thousands of foreclosed homes.

Why didn't POTUS fix that since his regulators were the ones making those decisions? I am curious.

You have misdirected rage.

Rocketman

An even better question is why doesn't he just fix that today while rates are still low? There is a reason, because the fix is dead easy.

So... Bluemoon, you're short on CITI, JPM, and GE Capital? When they do collapse, you'll make zillions! Rocketman, have they loosened up the standards again? I keep hearing on the radio that they're not even doing the mirror test anymore, so even those that have voted in the last 60 years in Chicago can get a house.
 
Steve Jobs gave us Thoughts on Music, Thoughts on Flash, and Tim Cook gives us Thoughts on a Minor Blip in Apple's Stock Price. It's obvious from this what he's focused on and cares about. He's a bean counter and was, it seems, a great COO. Apple still hasn't replaced Steve Jobs, though.

I almost see a parallel between Forstall and Jobs being kicked out. Before he was kicked out, Jobs led the Mac team. Before being kicked out, Forstall led all of iOS development. The difference is that Jobs left and formed a company whose product became the underpinnings what became OS X--the second birth of the Mac. And Forstall is seemingly out of tech for the most part.

Jonny Ive if left to his own devices doesn't seem to be that fundamental to Apple. He was there before Jobs returned and wasn't changing the world in his design studio.

Who is Apple's next Steve Jobs? It isn't Tim Cook. He's minding the till. And it's not going to be Jonny Ive.
 
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