Apple Shares Hit New High for 2016 as Samsung Considers Scrapping Note 7 [Update: Note 7 Officially Discontinued]

[CrownVic]

I'm old enough to remember the Ford Pinto and the exploding gas tank, when the Pinto was struck from behind.

Maybe Samsung took a page from that book of disasters. IIRC - When Ford realized they had a problem, rather than recall all those Ford Pintos sold to the public and undertake an expensive rework, the accountants did a ROI and figured that it would be cheaper to settle the wrongful death lawsuits that were expected rather than recall and correct the faulty gas tank design. That's a really poor decision based on $$$ and not lives needlessly lost.

I salute Samsung for their choice!

YMMV

Ive heard about that! The Crown Victoria (look at my profile pic lol) had the same issue, as well as GM B bodies. Its because the fuel tank is located between the trunk and the rear axle. They actually added a fire suppression system in some Crown Vic Police Interceptors, but they were just an option. I believe they fixed it by 06 though. Good thing mine is an 07 lol

 

[dk001]

...or, when the "Note 8" (although I'm sure it won't be called that) comes out, you could just wait a few months before buying one and let the early adopters discover if it is prone to going foom... because this could have easily happened to any smartphone manufacturer's latest product. Anyway, the "Product Formerly Known as Note 8" will, now, probably be the most thoroughly fire-tested phone ever produced.

I think the numbers are something like 100 failures out of a million units in the US - not acceptable, given the dangerous nature of the failure, but still low enough to slip through testing.

Your quote of me is incorrect. Not mine.
Haven't owned every model, just a couple (still use my 5).

 

[5105973]

No idea about the Pixel, but according to the recent Anandtech review (and going by the samples they show) the Samsung phones are very nearly unsuitable for recording video. Not because of audio, but because of video quality issues.
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What do you want? They depend on Intel, and that will continue for at least another two or three years. Intel has gone back to their pre-AMD slumber, they will only wake up and start delivering if another competitor pops up and steps on their toes again.

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out soon. In my personal experience they were fantastic and handled tough exposure situations very well. Much better than my 6SPlus did when I did side by side testing of making a video walking through my house. I did notice the S7 did some jello shake when panning, though. Note 7 did not.

 

[duffman9000]

I'm old enough to remember the Ford Pinto and the exploding gas tank, when the Pinto was struck from behind.

Maybe Samsung took a page from that book of disasters. IIRC - When Ford realized they had a problem, rather than recall all those Ford Pintos sold to the public and undertake an expensive rework, the accountants did a ROI and figured that it would be cheaper to settle the wrongful death lawsuits that were expected rather than recall and correct the faulty gas tank design. That's a really poor decision based on $$$ and not lives needlessly lost.

I salute Samsung for their choice!

YMMV

I didn't live through this but my shop teachers did. And boy did we hear about it.

Ford turned off buyers for years. Found On Road Dead due to car explosion.

 

[just.in.time]

Schadenfreude is bad karma. You haters should hope that Samsung SDI (the battery manufacturer in question) did not produce exploding Li-Ion batteries for Apple's iPhone. They're on Apple's supplier list.

Since changing the batteries out didn't seem to help, I'm going to guess it had something to do with the charging circuit/DC control board. Something was most likely causing it to suddenly short out the battery, sometimes while charging and sometimes while it wasn't, it would appear.

 

[ericlmercer]

If Samsung does decide to release Note7 v3, this time instead of using a square marker, Samsung could go with a round one to help consumers better distinguish what they can expect inside the box.

 

[iOSFangirl6001]

Amusing how Samsung managed to single-handedly destroy one of their phone lineups just because they wanted to beat the iPhone 7 launch. All they did was play into Apple hands.

Sometimes Karma, just deserts and irony can be cruel mistresses lol

 

[manu chao]

The main point is though, Mustang- obviously it wasn't a "bad battery supplier" that caused this issue.... as evidenced by the "safe" ones still exploding.
The super high density of their new "super quick charge" batteries cause them to run hotter & expand some.
Thus, they would need more room, or some other thermal consideration. It's merely the way they are jammed into this phone that is causing the problem. I fully believe that these batteries are being assembled "correctly"; according to the exact specifications given to them at the factory. If placed in a huge tablet, with a heat sink & plenty of room around them to facilitate the expanding/contracting nature of this new technology, these exact same batteries would quite likely NOT explode.
I don't think we have anything to worry about with regards to parts from Samsung.
Begrudgingly or not, even here- most admit that as a parts manufacturer, they are top-notch.
It is the point where they engineer those parts (& those from their other suppliers) into their final product, that the lack of attention to detail & extensive testing has hurt them.

We have had literally billions of smartphones using Li-ion batteries with ever increasing capacity and density over the last decade. And maybe 1 in 10 million of them caught fire, partly because they might have been mishandled (eg, mechanical damage). Then a phone model is released where the rate is maybe 1 in 100'000, ie, at a rate that is 100x higher and some people start to fear about all phone models? One should be really clear about this: a problem that is so specific to one phone model is not exactly contagious. There has not been a fundamental shift in technology that will affect all phones going forward.

The only thing this has shown that it is possible to screw up a phone design such that this happens. There probably is a longtime trend that contributed but judging from one design screw-up on the likelihood of such a screw-up being repeated with other models and other manufacturers is almost impossible. And even if such a screw-up would be repeated once or twice in the next year, it again would at all likelihood affect only one model at a time and it would become clear pretty fast if a model is affected. And that is before factoring in that the Note 7 case will cause all other manufacturers to double down on ensuring that such a mistake doesn't happen with their product.

 

[0098386]

Tim Cook and Co. right now

It's sad to think they might be celebrating, as Samsung pushed the market as much forward as Apple did. Without good competition the next models will lack innovations. That's how the market works.

I don't buy Samsung phones but to not want competition is quite sad. IMHO.

But also: https://www.google.co.uk/search?cli..._8V9ryDdPv8AezhYGIAg#q=powerbook+battery+fire

 

[masotime]

-blank-

 

[0098386]

In a month where Apple's dying Mac lineup was supposed to be revamped, MacRumors has gotten to the bottom of the story... By posting article after article of incremental beta updates as front-page news. Well done.

Urgh don't remind me. I've only bought mac computers for over a decade now but their lack of innovation with the iMac is making me consider jumping back over to PC.

 

[5105973]

No idea about the Pixel, but according to the recent Anandtech review (and going by the samples they show) the Samsung phones are very nearly unsuitable for recording video. Not because of audio, but because of video quality issues.
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What do you want? They depend on Intel, and that will continue for at least another two or three years. Intel has gone back to their pre-AMD slumber, they will only wake up and start delivering if another competitor pops up and steps on their toes again.

Okay I saw it and both sets of videos looked bad, I guess because of compression they use on their site? At any rate mostly I just noticed how lifeless the sound was on the iPhone video and now alive the surroundings were on the Samsung video. I listened on my wired headphones on my iPad.

I've seen the block patch crop up in my own test video. It consistently comes up when I aim the camera toward one window in my sunroom. The block patch appears on a wall next to the window. It looks like I'm trying to summon a portal another dimension. Otherwise my video was flawless. Meanwhile my 6S Plus struggled with exposure. iPhones do have better OIS implementation though.

 

[Lakepapa]

What a nightmare for Samsung. Lost sales, cost of product already produced, civil liability for injuries, loss of trust, market share, reputation. I mean, $18+ billion market value wiped out over night!

 

[69Mustang]

The main point is though, Mustang- obviously it wasn't a "bad battery supplier" that caused this issue.... as evidenced by the "safe" ones still exploding.
The super high density of their new "super quick charge" batteries cause them to run hotter & expand some.
Thus, they would need more room, or some other thermal consideration. It's merely the way they are jammed into this phone that is causing the problem. I fully believe that these batteries are being assembled "correctly"; according to the exact specifications given to them at the factory. If placed in a huge tablet, with a heat sink & plenty of room around them to facilitate the expanding/contracting nature of this new technology, these exact same batteries would quite likely NOT explode.
I don't think we have anything to worry about with regards to parts from Samsung.
Begrudgingly or not, even here- most admit that as a parts manufacturer, they are top-notch.
It is the point where they engineer those parts (& those from their other suppliers) into their final product, that the lack of attention to detail & extensive testing has hurt them.

I get that. I think your quote has merit in it's hypothetical. I don't think Samsung has anything to worry about either. Good or bad, the public's attention span is as long as the next news cycle. Someone else is sure to do something more egregious very soon.

My quote has nothing to do with the battery issue though. My quote was about directly answering the question that was asked. The question was: "How do you know they are on the supplier list ?? Do you work in Apple or have access to their supply chain information??" It was a simple asked and answered.

 

[Dannyshing27]

Cant you just sell them with a nomex case

 

[gnipgnop]

Without good competition the next models will lack innovations. That's how the market works.

If that were true, then Apple could never have released the original iPhone. Android phones came afterwards, not before.

 

[jimbobb24]

Nah, this is Apple's greatest fear of happening to them with every iPhone launch. Except it won't be $20 billion in lost sales, it will be $100 billion in lost sales. I bet we see more leaks next year of the iPhone as Apple increases its testing period with the new form factor. Samsung is a great manufacturer and for this to happen to them and for them not be able to figure out how to fix it after two months has got to be scaring Cook and the rest of Apple.

This is important. After the glee - comes the nightmares. Samsung is not some two-bit amatuer manufacturer. Something in their engineering or supply chain is broken and the same could happen to Apple. The Asian countries typically vastly exceed the US in quality control because starting with post-WW2 Japan they took W.E. Demings advice seriously while in the US we did not. Apple is sweating bullets about this happening because this is happening in about 1 in 100,000 devices and its incredibly difficult to find a problem that rare. Apple could miss something like this easily. Samsung is doing the right thing, but this is a problem every company is bound to experience eventually especially with newer batteries pushing the limits.

 

[adepew]

Hard to believe that the Note 7 could have such a swift downfall. I wonder if they'll re-purpose the Note name next year or if there is too much damage done.

 

[admob71]

First up. They didn't release a Note every year. Note 6 was non-existent.

Secondly, there are TONS of reports saying how Samsung rushed and pressured their suppliers to push forward the launch of the Note 7 because they heard iPhone 7 would not have anything revolutionary and they want the upper hand.

So you're wrong on both accounts.

Lol, you sir are amazing.. if you are gonna shout your mouth off on a public forum at least do yourself the decency of knowing your stuff.
The note 6 was non existent as you say, you seem to be suggesting that they didn't release a note device in 2015 then?. So when exactly was the note 5 released.. 21st August 2015, they skipped the note 6 to tie in the naming convention with the s7. Now considering the iphone 7 was released 16th September over a year after the note 5, how on earth is the note 7 being released on Aug 19th, just about a year to the day be classed as rushing the device to market. You have made yourself look like a monkey, please do some simple research before the next time you feel like posting something that could be considered aggressive. Good day sir.

Ps, I'll accept your apology for your mistakes but I doubt it will be forth coming..

 

[pat500000]

Scrapping is the only choice. They should build note 8 and allow those with note 7 to trade in with 50 percent discount of the retail price.

 

[O and A]

Nice bait thread title. Couldn't leave it at Apple's finances, had to throw Samsung's name in there. How many added clicks did that net you?

In a month where Apple's dying Mac lineup was supposed to be revamped, MacRumors has gotten to the bottom of the story... By posting article after article of incremental beta updates as front-page news. Well done.

I guess I'm missing the big picture. I visit websites like this because Apple products interest me. But all I get from this site now are shareholder results and software developer ads. Thanks.

So his website should only cater to you? How does that make sense. I love seeing more apple related news and it seems most people here like it too. Sorry that the world doesn't cater to just you buddy. You should try to be less self centered.

 

[gagaliya]

apple dropped ball on trying to capture this failure. most people with the note 7 want a replacement phone now - they want to walk into their local cellphone store and walk out with a new phone since they cannot use the note 7 nor want to cancel/redo their whole cellphone plan/contract.

the new iphone isnt available anywhere, even online order is still 3-6 weeks minimum, so most of them will choose another high end android phone that's available in the store.

apple needed to increase production and also prioritize inventory to the cellphone b&m stores so when those pissed off people go in to get replacements they can pickup the iphone and allow apple to convert decent percentage of android users in the process. Let the online iphone orders sit a while longer and get inventory to the stores - that's how most samsung customers are getting their replacement.

But that's not what's happening.

 

[dotnet]

Okay I saw it and both sets of videos looked bad, I guess because of compression they use on their site?

Yes, you'd watch both side-by-side on the page for comparison, but the individual full screen views are probably more telling.

At any rate mostly I just noticed how lifeless the sound was on the iPhone video and now alive the surroundings were on the Samsung video. I listened on my wired headphones on my iPad.

I watched it at work without sound I'm going to watch all the samples again and pay attention to the audio.

 

[adepew]

Scrapping is the only choice. They should build note 8 and allow those with note 7 to trade in with 50 percent discount of the retail price.

50% off retail? How about a FREE device. Those with the Note 7 were cheated out of over $800

apple dropped ball on trying to capture this failure. most people with the note 7 want a replacement phone now - they want to walk into their local cellphone store and walk out with a new phone since they cannot use the note 7 nor want to cancel/redo their whole cellphone plan/contract.

the new iphone isnt available anywhere, even online order is still 3-6 weeks minimum, so most of them will choose another high end android phone that's available in the store.

apple needed to increase production and also prioritize inventory to the cellphone b&m stores so when those pissed off people go in to get replacements they can pickup the iphone and converting a decent percentage of android users in the process. Let the online iphone orders sit a while longer and get inventory to the stores - that's how most samsung customers are getting their replacement.

But that's not what's happening.

Very good points. It seems that Apple has taken the high road on this one. I'm not saying they should resort to Samsung level commercials bashing them, however, a more subtle approach would work just as well IMO.

 

[Kaibelf]

Total disaster in every aspect for Samsung. Perfect timing for iPhone 7 sales when there was so much doubt about the sales not being strong since it offered no significant improvement over the 6 series (so they said) and took the 3.5mm phone jack away on top of it.

Apple could't have been this lucky even if they wanted.

Exactly. This horrible recall fisasco is to the iPhone 7 as Trump's p-word tape is to Clinton's wikileaks issues. In both cases, a completely avoidable situation that turned into a mighty gift.