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It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out. I wonder if Google will come in and take the #1 Android phone spot, or whether Samsung will hang in their thanks to the Galaxy S7/edge.
You've got to understand, Google makes one thing: algorithms. Do they have an internal hardware design studio? They hire the factories to make what designs? In order to have a significant hardware share, they have to enter production battles. They have no demonstrated capacity with that. But Google primarily writes software. They do it pretty good. Kind of a monopoly of search. Huge money from web advertising. They like influencing their market with boutique design projects. They need to invest in a lot of stuff if they want to do hardware. They need a sales structure, not an algorithm. Oh! Marketing, advertising. Google stores? They're investing in AI. I think they should concentrate on what they do best.
 
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Difference between the two: Apple blamed the user and never fixed those *gate issues. Calling yourself courageous just shows how big of an ego you have.

Samsung is offering refunds. It takes courage to admit mistakes

And what other options do they have? It's a recall for a burning phone!
I will be the first to say that Apple hasn't always pleased me with their customer service and their obfuscation/delay tactics with reported problems. However, "bend-gate" was bullcrap of the highest order as was "scratch-gate". Hardly worthy of a recall. Antenna-gate was a design error IMO but I kept my phone for 2 years and really it wasn't much of a problem." As for the courageous remark, I don't see your point. Either the headphone jack is a deal-killer for you or it isn't. If you don't like it, you can choose another product. My guess is that more phones will ditch the jack sooner or later.
 
I'll dare a prediction, in 1 to 2 years, Li-Ion batteries will have the status of the Nickel Cadmium (Ni-Cad) batteries of the early 2000s.

Li-Ion batteries have been around for decades. Powering everything from cell phones, laptops, e-cigarettes, flashlights, hybrid and electric cars, and even provide auxillary power for planes like the 787. Numerous explosions have been reported over the years, including smoke bellowing out of a couple of Boeing jets on the ground.

If all these incidents didn't cause the Li-Ion battery to be replaced, what makes you think dozens of phones catching fire will?
 
Apple really need to bulk up supply of the 7 Plus to capitalize on this.

I bet you that's what they're doing right now. Bulking up the supply of the 7 Plus to feed demand for both the people that already ordered one, and to feed the demand of the Note 7 people who decide to get the 7 Plus after they returned the Note 7.
 
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As tempting as it is to just gloat over Samsung's misfortune—I'm not a fan of the company—this story makes me wonder what it means about the safety of lithium ion batteries in general, especially when you consider similar problems with hoverboards catching fire. How close to the edge are iPhones and other Apple devices with similar power sources, and what's the outlook for safer battery technology?
That's a good question. How many exploding iPhones have we seen? (None that are due to the battery that I know of) as other posters have mentioned, it wasn't the battery but something else. Now, that being said, lithium ion batteries have limits and are more eager to burn than you would want, but we're stuck until a better solution can be widely adopted.
 
I think I made it pretty clear that if they can't post rumors about Macs that's exactly what'll happen.

And I have a feeling it aint just me who feels this way. :oops:

Thanks to Apple, rarely is there any new Mac hardware to have rumors for! How many years can we talk about whether or not a new Mac Pro will be released this year?

MR either goes out of business, or they become the National Inquirer of computer "news" to get people to read their articles. It's obvious what choice they made.
 
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in my opinion, they should drop the Note brand altogether.
if a new Note 8 comes out and people will still associate it with "that one exploding phone" it won't play well for samsung.
 
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I am normally NOT a fan of Samsung and I Shame them quite often for their outright theft of IP, but I think they are doing the right thing for once.

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I disagree... I went through the first recall and just yesterday after already returning my device, I received a box in the mail with a note that asked me to pls return my recalled phone..
I called the official note 7 recall number to straighten it out and asked if my new note was safe. The lady said, and I quote "of course!". I asked about the carrier ban in the states due to replacement devices catching fire and was told that I was talking with Samsung Canada, and that my note 7 was safe.

Based on that conversation, and hearing stories from following a thread on my carrier forum, I will be going for a refund and picking another Android (non Samsung). I've had every note since the note 2, but I won't buy another Samsung phone for a few generations at least.

They need to stop making 50 different phones and consolidate to a couple high end and a couple mid to low end devices.
 
Amusing how Samsung managed to single-handedly destroy one of their phone lineups just because they wanted to beat the iPhone 7 launch. All they did was play into Apple hands.
Another company will be born apple and samsung will be stone age technology
 
And for all we know, this is an issue that gets worse for these phones over time. Like it might be a failure of some part that might wear out. So maybe the catching fire issue becomes more likely as the phone gets older! Samsung might really need to get all the phones off the market.
That is what I'm afraid of. I'm actually thinking there are multiple faults that converge toward the same end result. In most of the reported explosions, there didn't seem to be any warning. But there are other cases of other Samsungs overheating and failing. I had a loaner S7 that I was not even able to use after awhile because it kept randomly overheating. I could not even text when outdoors this past early September because in the hot ambient temperatures outdoors the phone got frying hot in my hand.

My current Note 7 was fine at first, though I could not use fast charging or it would heat up and so would the charger. It was actually the charger I was concerned about. But over the weekend it started randomly heating up quite hot doing things like recording video. It never did that at the beginning. I used it extensively since it got it. Something has changed just over the last couple of days. Interestingly enough it's happening on the same time frame that it's taken the other Note7s to fully melt down.
 
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Does this mean that - heaven forbid - if Apple ever made a phone that were to fall victim to the same fate and start blowing up in people's pockets, that Samsung would be suing Apple for copying their designs? Samsung have probably patented "Smokin' Smartphones" already...
 
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That's a good question. How many exploding iPhones have we seen? (None that are due to the battery that I know of) as other posters have mentioned, it wasn't the battery but something else. Now, that being said, lithium ion batteries have limits and are more eager to burn than you would want, but we're stuck until a better solution can be widely adopted.

If Li-Ion batteries were as dangerous as some make them out to be, with millions upon millions of devices using them, why aren't we hearing THOUSANDS of mishaps EVERY SINGLE DAY?

Because the batteries themselves are not the mini pipe bombs some people are screaming. You need to MANAGE these batteries properly.

Crack open an old laptop battery pack and tell me what you see. You see shock absorbing material, you see chips and boards controlling charging algorithm.

Li-Ion batteries don't like to experience too much shock, they don't like to be overcharged, or over DIScharged, or charged too quickly. They don't like to get too hot. And if arranged in serial, they should have similar capacity.

Exploding Li-Ion batteries are almost always due to bad battery management by the device. Not the batteries themselves (although poorly made Li-Ion can be dangerous in and of itself as well).
 
I still cannot bring myself to return my Note 7. It's such a good phone.
 
Have they really scrapped it, stopped production whilst they investigate what the fault is?
They haven't stated they have scrapped the phone, I would of thought they would state that if that's what they have done.

No carrier or seller in their right mind will touch it now. It's tarnished goods that would never be allowed on a plane again, it Will probably never see an update, and accessory manufactures are going to ignore it from here on out.
 
The general consensus in UK press reports seems to be that Samsung dealt with things well initially, but were like rabbits caught in headlights second time around. One can only imagine the panic & buck passing going on at Samsung HQ as they realised that the replacement devices had a problem. Even last night, Samsung UK were apparently still telling UK customers & the tech press that Note 7s were safe to use (though refusing to allow BBC to buy one), yet by this morning clearly a high level decision had been taken to recall, then later to announce that production was halted, and then later still that the Note 7 was being discontinued. That slow drip of news seems to be a bit of a PR blunder as it meant that the story kept growing even today and kept the story in the headlines - a single press release would have got all the pain out in one go.

For me, the odd thing is a report where Samsung apparently claimed that the replacement devices had a different problem. If that's the case, then this seems to disprove their own story that a faulty battery batch was to blame (since if that were the case, the replacements should not have had any problem). What seems possible is that there were faulty batteries in the first batch, but that this was not the root cause of the problem either before or after the first recall. Given the decision to discontinue, its more likely that an inherent design defect was to blame.

As others have said, no doubt Apple and others will be watching closely (and testing a few devices in a lab somewhere) to learn from the problem, just as in other industries - for example Boeing and Airbus take keen interests in each other's problems to ensure their designs don't have the same problem when air accident investigation reports are released. It might be a problem that Samsung inflicted on themselves, or might be that they pushed smartphone design too far and industry best practice/knowledge will need updating. Their PR department will be similarly reviewing events to see what they can learn from Samsung's management of the story.

It'll be interesting to see how Schiller, Cook et al respond when questions about the Note 7 inevitably get asked in future interviews etc. I doubt they'll crow about it, whatever the cause was, but their tone may give a clue as to whether they think it was a self-inflicted design mistake or something that they need to learn from themselves in future models.
 
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Hopefully this will be incentive for manufacturers to slow down and start focussing on quality again, rather than churning out new products as quickly as possible.
 
If any child/adolescent asks, "What does rush to failure mean?", just direct them to this story!!
 
I'm old enough to remember the Ford Pinto and the exploding gas tank, when the Pinto was struck from behind.

Maybe Samsung took a page from that book of disasters. IIRC - When Ford realized they had a problem, rather than recall all those Ford Pintos sold to the public and undertake an expensive rework, the accountants did a ROI and figured that it would be cheaper to settle the wrongful death lawsuits that were expected rather than recall and correct the faulty gas tank design. That's a really poor decision based on $$$ and not lives needlessly lost.

I salute Samsung for their choice!

YMMV
Find any large corporate entity. 9.999 times out of 10 they are making the exact same calculations. Cost to fix vs cost to litigate.
 
But first they did a recall and then announced "fixed" Note 7s and sold them. That was a failure. Doing this a second time and then trying to revive the line is impossible from a marketing perspective. This is more of a technical issue but the engineers failed to address or identify the root cause of the fires. So in some ways you can't blame upper management as I'm sure the engineers didn't tell management, "Go out and sell these, we've reduced explosions from 1 out of 1,000 to 1 out of 20,000." The engineers must have given the replacements a clean bill of health.

Or Samsung Senior management created an environment where either technical people felt they could not properly raise their concerns, or middle management diluted them to such an extent that it was impossible for the real decision makers to understand the risks. Most technical people I have ever worked with are very conservative. I'd be very surprised if this fiasco is a result of engineers making mistakes. I strongly suspect the management structure of Samsung is to blame for all the pain they are currently going through.
 
Nice bait thread title. Couldn't leave it at Apple's finances, had to throw Samsung's name in there. How many added clicks did that net you?

In a month where Apple's dying Mac lineup was supposed to be revamped, MacRumors has gotten to the bottom of the story... By posting article after article of incremental beta updates as front-page news. Well done.

I guess I'm missing the big picture. I visit websites like this because Apple products interest me. But all I get from this site now are shareholder results and software developer ads. Thanks.
What exactly are you looking for? Certainly if there was any info on a new Mac lineup, MacRumors would jump at reporting it. They can't fabricate information - that's left to the tabloids. I visit this site and others like 9-to5 Mac and I haven't seen MacRumors missing out on any key stories.

As for Samsung, they are a major competitor to Apple. Their products influence each other, their financials affect each other, etc. The lawsuits, including the one in front of SCOTUS today, are evidence to how intertwined these companies are. What happens with Samsung is relevant to Apple, as is (to some degree) Google, HTC, etc.
 
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