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The timing couldn't be worse for Samsung. They will have to build something compelling for next year, but now there will be a focus on intensive testing, which will limit R&D availability. That will make it hard to put in leading-edge technology features like Samsung likes to do. Add to that next year's iPhone is likely to be a major release to celebrate the 10th anniversary and would be difficult enough to compete with even under regular conditions.

Samsung will need to pull off a miracle to be a contender with Apple next year in a head-to-head with the flagship devices. With that said, Samsung makes a ton of money off of non-flagship phones as well.
 
Pretty much this.

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I agree, I was about to buy iPhone 7 plus 256 black, it is out of stock and no one knowns when it is going to arrive. Meanwhile, I am seeing Pixel XL for a reasonable bargain (not cheap though) with QHD screen going to appear on line on 13th...Most likely I may have to choose between what is available on that day.
I just got my 7plus last Friday. It was ordered on launch day. Apple definitely needs to get the supply moving. With that said, they need to do that w/o exploiting batteries....
 
Fine. They could always go back to toasters and washing machines. The quality of Samsung appliances have been neglected lately. Exploding washing machines.

im thinking the same thing. they can still make tvs all that extra stuff if they stop making android phones, which i doubt they will.
 
This could affect consumer confidence in all smart phones.

Only if another brand starts having these kinds of problems. On the other hand, all SAMSUNG-branded smartphones will be affected. Customers buy the brand as well as the features. The Samsung brand value in the smartphone market has been obliterated. The only people who are going to be buying Samsung smartphones for the next couple of years are repeat Samsung buyers who like the particular Samsung feature set.

And this certainly helps Apple, as there were only two established high end brands in smartphones. Now there is one. There may be an opportunity for Google, since they have such a great brand, but we'll have to see how fast they can ramp up their market presence in this area.
 
What a turn of events. The Note 7 went from one of the best smartphones of 2016 to non-existent.
 
The timing couldn't be worse for Samsung. They will have to build something compelling for next year, but now there will be a focus on intensive testing, which will limit R&D availability. That will make it hard to put in leading-edge technology features like Samsung likes to do. Add to that next year's iPhone is likely to be a major release to celebrate the 10th anniversary and would be difficult enough to compete with even under regular conditions.

Samsung will need to pull off a miracle to be a contender with Apple next year in a head-to-head with the flagship devices. With that said, Samsung makes a ton of money off of non-flagship phones as well.
Samsung will survive. Their S line is their money maker. The demise of the Note was a gut punch for sure, but as long as they continue to sell the S line, they'll be okay in the end.
 
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That's unfortunate. The Note 7 was an exceptional device and really did almost every well. A shame Samsung didn't QA better.
 
Fine. They could always go back to toasters and washing machines. The quality of Samsung appliances have been neglected lately. Exploding washing machines.

Eh...?

Samsung are a global technology company and make some of the best TV's [and components] out there and often have award winning TV's in most categories. They are also the 2nd largest LCD manufacturer (after Sharp) in the world and have been growing for many years.

Do not tell me you have forgotten, or do not know that Samsung used to supply most of the component parts for the iPhone, prior to Apple doing more in house...?

So saying "Samsung is doomed", is as ridiculous as when people say the same thing about Apple.
 
There has been a lot of criticism (hyperbole) over apples performance over different threads in different forums here - usually ending in "if it happened to blackberry...". Wiping 18 billion off your books, not anything anyone could have imagined.
 
Nah, this is Apple's greatest fear of happening to them with every iPhone launch. Except it won't be $20 billion in lost sales, it will be $100 billion in lost sales. I bet we see more leaks next year of the iPhone as Apple increases its testing period with the new form factor. Samsung is a great manufacturer and for this to happen to them and for them not be able to figure out how to fix it after two months has got to be scaring Cook and the rest of Apple.

As someone who bought a Samsung washer that caught fire - fortunately was home - I am not so sure they are that great a manufacturer. I went back to whirlpool for that one and stuck to Wolf and Subzero for kitchen appliances.
 
As someone who bought a Samsung washer that caught fire - fortunately was home - I am not so sure they are that great a manufacturer. I went back to whirlpool for that one and stuck to Wolf and Subzero for kitchen appliances.

Their memory cards and SSD drives are great. Also, they make many of the iPhone's internal components. They are great at making parts, but not so great, it seems, at putting them together.
 
I'm not a fanboy of either Apple or Samsung, but let's face it, the iPhone 7 is unimpressive...just another year with another version that has very few new features...and also a bunch of "features" like the missing headphone jack and the charging methodolgy that really annoy people. Samsung rushed out their phone to conicide with Apple's iPhone 7 launch and is now paying the price...Apple is winning back some customers because people (like me who own an iPhone 4S) are not going to buy the exploding Samsungs, yet really want a new phone, but wanted to try the Samsungs...so yes, I may actually go buy an iPhone 7 this winter. But my iPhone works just fine, thank you. I can wait a few more months for the dust to settle before plunking down hundreds of dollars for some kind of 128GB-size smartphone.

Just because the other guy utterly fails doesn't mean your product is actually wanted. It may be purchased out of necessity.
 
Don't tempt them. Somebody at Samsung has been pushing that idea for a while, I can tell.
[doublepost=1476174258][/doublepost]Samsung stock down by 8%. Are they gonna recover from this? How do you encourage people to place trust in their products again? Samsung should shut up shop and disband immediately, the CEO should resign. DOWN WITH THE SHAMESUNG.

But seriously, are they gonna recover from this?

Yes, they will if they play their cards right. Samsung is household name now in more places because of the non-stop worldwide news coverage. And the media is all too eager to see a counterweight to Apple. Hence the crowning of the Note 7 as an innovative tour de force while the iPhone 7 is written off as a non-essential upgrade... never mind the fact that Apple's innovations (dual lens, improved taptic engine and a mobile processor that smokes the competition) will have a greater impact on everyday UX than anything the Note 7 has introduced.

With Samsung struggling, many in the media have been writing about the Pixel as the Android phone to beat and first true Google phone (really??), even though they should be writing it off as a rebranded, overpriced Nexus. It's quite amusing and AI has a great article on it: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...one-7-plus-but-it-lacks-numerous-key-features

Anyway, I have some money laying around and I think I might pick up some Samsung shares today.
 
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For the record, I am a strong supporter of the iPhone and iPad and I love IOS, but I don't like that Samsung is having so much trouble with the Note 7. Strong competition is good for consumers as it keeps manufactures on their toes and helps reduce complacency.
 
Eh...?

Samsung are a global technology company and make some of the best TV's [and components] out there and often have award winning TV's in most categories. They are also the 2nd largest LCD manufacturer (after Sharp) in the world and have been growing for many years.

Do not tell me you have forgotten, or do not know that Samsung used to supply most of the component parts for the iPhone, prior to Apple doing more in house...?

So saying "Samsung is doomed", is as ridiculous as when people say the same thing about Apple.


You'd be surprised at how something like this affects the overall brand. My dad (not an Apple fan) is in the market for a new TV. He won't buy Samsung because of this! I (a huge Apple fan) keep telling him he is crazy, and one thing has nothing to do with the other. It doesn't matter to him. Lots of irony in this paragraph, but the moral is that people do put a lot of stock in brand trust.
 
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Schadenfreude is bad karma. You haters should hope that Samsung SDI (the battery manufacturer in question) did not produce exploding Li-Ion batteries for Apple's iPhone. They're on Apple's supplier list.
My question to you is why aren't you a hater also - why isn't everyone? Considering they've been caught trying to cover this up, down-play it, majorly ****ed up the recall and then proceeded to also **** up the replacement units. And you still like the company? Wow.
 
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Schadenfreude is bad karma. You haters should hope that Samsung SDI (the battery manufacturer in question) did not produce exploding Li-Ion batteries for Apple's iPhone. They're on Apple's supplier list.

Nope. Apple don't use Samsung SDI's battery. Apple uses ATL's battery.
 
Nice bait thread title. Couldn't leave it at Apple's finances, had to throw Samsung's name in there. How many added clicks did that net you?

In a month where Apple's dying Mac lineup was supposed to be revamped, MacRumors has gotten to the bottom of the story... By posting article after article of incremental beta updates as front-page news. Well done.

I guess I'm missing the big picture. I visit websites like this because Apple products interest me. But all I get from this site now are shareholder results and software developer ads. Thanks.

Netted yours too.
 
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