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Privacy fantastic. But not everyone I know uses an iPhone. So useless for most group chats. They also really need the ability to quote a message when replying like other messaging apps so people know who’s replying to what. I use whatsapp but as far as I know that’s also encrypted so iMessage is still behind in those two ways for my use.
 
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The part of privacy is invisible to me. Everyone are saying they are offering privacy, even google.

What does make iOS more secure than other operating systems?

For me it’s invisible and would love someone to explain why iOS is miles ahead in privacy....
 doesnt sale your data, since they make money from hardware, software sells & subscriptions. You can look at their 10K by searching on the web. Google & Facebook are liars. They profit off your data period. Its in their earnings. They can say they care about your privacy , but when Google & Facebook stop having 60% of the web advertisement market, I will listen. If you want to know how much a company cares about your privacy , just look at their income source.
[doublepost=1557538874][/doublepost]Love this ad. I can relate.
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but iCloud backups still are not. Until iCloud data is encrypted, the whole privacy narrative is just mumbo jumbo
I suggest doing encrypted iTunes backup if you live in China. In the rest of the world , your iCloud data is vulnerable ,if you have a weak password, or if law enforcement serves  a warrant. Even then iMessage & Facetime data is end to end encrypted.
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My brother use to work at AT&T and the staff could read your text messages. So I wonder if they still can?
In simple terms. Green bubble(AT&T can read) , meanwhile blue bubble(AT&T cannot read)
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Must be looking at leaked iCloud celebrity photos.
Yes. If you have bad passwords,simple ones, you can lose your photos to hackers. Thats why I keep no photos on the web. Storage is cheap, just get a 4-10 TB harddrive , and use it for keeping videos & photos.
 
Are we really gonna believe this nonsense. Especially when all the recent issues of privacy being broken were with iOS Devices? iCloud photos leaked and Facetime Bug ring a bell?
Anyone can phish you for passwords. Stop using weak ones.iCloud photos was never hacked.
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iPod Touches are $200. Its not premium. iPhones start at $450 in the states. It starts at $300 in the developing nations.
 
If you live in China, jokes on you....
iOS is just as secure in China, as it is in the rest of the world. iCloud storage remains vulnerable to law enforcement orders,all around the world. Thats why I recommend people to use encrypted iTunes backup.
 
but iCloud backups still are not. Until iCloud data is encrypted, the whole privacy narrative is just mumbo jumbo
It's not just mumbo jumbo. Turn off the iCloud backups if you're paranoid. Or if you're like me and just don't want to pay for it, lol
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That is correct. SMS messages are the most unsecure and less private thing in the world. I used to manage a group of developers that created SMS managing platforms implementing the SMPP protocol that is used to the SMSCs (the platforms that manage and deliver SMS messages). Basically everything is handled as plain text that is stored and transmitted unencrypted. It is not ASCII but GSM 3.38 encoded messages but aside from that, basically plain text.

"Texts" is a very non-technical term used in the U.S. mainly and the moment iMessage appeared, for many people it was just another way of "texting" but it is radically different.
My memory is hazy, but last I checked the messages were encrypted in transit from the phone to the carrier's network at least. I.e. someone can't just put up an antenna and start reading people's messages in flight.
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The part of privacy is invisible to me. Everyone are saying they are offering privacy, even google.

What does make iOS more secure than other operating systems?

For me it’s invisible and would love someone to explain why iOS is miles ahead in privacy....
End-to-end encryption is that marketing term you're looking for. Google doesn't even claim to do it. Apple tells you what they do. You can't be sure they're honest, but it's better than nothing.
 
Love Apple and their stance. Have an iPhone and won't use anything else. However, iMessage search, is the biggest joke in history. What's the point? How am I suppose to view past conversations or find anything meaningful I may need (I have needed it many times) when it's impossible to find without scrolling over and over and over and over. I have messages going back to 2012. It took me nearly 5 hours to get to the end of the conversation on a computer. It was painful. Not to mention it was all out of order thanks to iCloud messages. Which, Apple has never responded to in my support requests.

It bugs me to no end that Apple touts these features, yet under all that "polish", there's still a hint of turd.
 
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I like that Apple is making privacy part of it's marketing and features. Obviously, all that privacy is blown if you install FB, IG, etc. But I like that Apple pays attention to the usability of privacy controls, and is more restrictive than Android. Cook speaking about privacy has been important as well. It's actually refreshing to hear and hopefully its tracking well for their NPS.
 
I didn't say it was imessage, but there should be a way to secure a basic text message.

Yes, it’s called “iMessage”. Apple can encrypt a message if both the sender and recipient have Apple devices. They can’t do this if the sender or receiver are on an Android because they don’t control that end.
 
Yes, it’s called “iMessage”. Apple can encrypt a message if both the sender and recipient have Apple devices. They can’t do this if the sender or receiver are on an Android because they don’t control that end.

You forgot to mention that this is if they are both using the same iCloud server too ;) If one person is using the iCloud server in the US and the other person in China then this may not be the case.
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It's not just mumbo jumbo. Turn off the iCloud backups if you're paranoid. Or if you're like me and just don't want to pay for it, lol
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My memory is hazy, but last I checked the messages were encrypted in transit from the phone to the carrier's network at least. I.e. someone can't just put up an antenna and start reading people's messages in flight.
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End-to-end encryption is that marketing term you're looking for. Google doesn't even claim to do it. Apple tells you what they do. You can't be sure they're honest, but it's better than nothing.

Your best backup is what Apple gave you in every computer to sync your iPhone and iPad with via iTunes and that is your own computer. Your computer should be your own backup that anything needs to be backed up on although if you notice something that does not exist on iTunes is backing up of iMessages Tab. They have one for Calendar,Contacts,Photos,Music and Videos but you don’t see one for iMessages. Apple for some reason does not allow you to back iMessages up on your own.
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Signal does not work without access to your contacts app so privacy there is not good. It should not require access to your contacts to function. Imagine Yahoo Mail not functioning without access to your contacts app.
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 doesnt sale your data, since they make money from hardware, software sells & subscriptions. You can look at their 10K by searching on the web. Google & Facebook are liars. They profit off your data period. Its in their earnings. They can say they care about your privacy , but when Google & Facebook stop having 60% of the web advertisement market, I will listen. If you want to know how much a company cares about your privacy , just look at their income source.
[doublepost=1557538874][/doublepost]Love this ad. I can relate.
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I suggest doing encrypted iTunes backup if you live in China. In the rest of the world , your iCloud data is vulnerable ,if you have a weak password, or if law enforcement serves  a warrant. Even then iMessage & Facetime data is end to end encrypted.
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In simple terms. Green bubble(AT&T can read) , meanwhile blue bubble(AT&T cannot read)
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Yes. If you have bad passwords,simple ones, you can lose your photos to hackers. Thats why I keep no photos on the web. Storage is cheap, just get a 4-10 TB harddrive , and use it for keeping videos & photos.

Depends on country. Not sure about China being encrypted end to end.
 
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Oh geez what an annoying ad. Couldn’t watch more than a few laughs.

And keep pushing that plastic iPhone 5c apple.
 
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It’s not true encryption. For that you’d need both iPhones together in the same space and use a token to link them physically. That’s how governments do it. This is faux encryption.
 
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It’s not true encryption. For that you’d need both iPhones together in the same space and use a token to link them physically. That’s how governments do it. This is faux encryption.
That's true if you don't trust Apple to handle the pubkey exchange. It's still harder for them to get away with lying about this or just accidentally screwing it up. Whatsapp lets you exchange the pubkey in person, but the app is closed-source, so who knows. I still haven't found a widely used solution that's perfect.
 
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That's true if you don't trust Apple to handle the pubkey exchange. It's still harder for them to get away with lying about this or just accidentally screwing it up. Whatsapp lets you exchange the pubkey in person, but the app is closed-source, so who knows. I still haven't found a widely used solution that's perfect.

There was an app a number of years ago that allowed the same sharing of a key either face to face (the safest) or over the internet (less safe). I think it was a Russian app maybe? I downloaded with the intention to use but then thought I don’t want to live in a world where I watch what I say where I police myself. So I asked apple for a refund explaining just that. They refunded.
 
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